Cowboys Red Zone Personnel (Multi-TE)

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5 yards or less to go (TD%):
2/3 TE 41%
0/1 TE 31%
What part of these posted up factual numbers are creating the mental impediment of comprehensive conceptualization in the blatantly apparent obvious of forward point attack football,,, in these fellow forum friends in fandom of ours,,, XWALKER?
 

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5 yards or less to go (TD%):
2/3 TE 41%
0/1 TE 31%

That’s not the point.

The point is that the stats you gave inside the 20 are skewed. The new stat you provide only substantiates that fact.

Redzone offense is obviously more complicated than what formation you run a play from, the play itself would matter to a greater degree I’m certain. Additionally, where exactly you run that play from and from which formation provide an endless amount variables that these simplistic stats fail to encompass.

I don’t believe much insight into anything tangible as far as redzone offense is provided here.
 

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That’s not the point.

The point is that the stats you gave inside the 20 are skewed. The new stat you provide only substantiates that fact.

Redzone offense is obviously more complicated than what formation you run a play from, the play itself would matter to a greater degree I’m certain. Additionally, where exactly you run that play from and from which formation provide an endless amount variables that these simplistic stats fail to encompass.

I don’t believe much insight into anything tangible as far as redzone offense is provided here.



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2018 Red Zone Personnel ( Team TDs with 2/3 TEs vs 0/1 TEs )
  • 2/3 TE 31 plays, 7 TD (23%)
  • 0/1 TE 127 plays, 22 TD (17 %)

Note: This includes playoff games.

The problem is that these tes didnt contribute to these numbers or we wouldnt be the worst red zone scoring team in the league. There were no zero te formations so this is a misleading stat. We didnt run one passing formation or running formation with zero tes. But we should have!!! The te core scored a pathetic 1 td in the first 15 games. I guess we dont want that 10 td a year te core said no team in the NFL except for Cowboys fans. We just want a safety valve and a check down receiving te who can get receptions but cant make the big plays that win games.

Would you rather march down the field with a te core who has 10 tds in 15 games or just 1 like these scrubs. Lol. Just go run n shoot with slot wrs or use a 350 lb olineman to block if 1 td is all they are worth on paper. These te and fb schemes dont work with our personnel. Never have and never will. We let these 5yard checkdown tes play on 3rd and 24 and in the red zone. Thats why our offense sucks. Garrett does everything that is statistically inept. Maybe moore will do something different but if he plays the same losing te dominated passing scheme with a bunch of dud tes like always we wont win anything for another 20 yrs
 

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The problem is that these tes didnt contribute to these numbers or we wouldnt be the worst red zone scoring team in the league. There were no zero te formations so this is a misleading stat. We didnt run one passing formation or running formation with zero tes. But we should have!!! The te core scored a pathetic 1 td in the first 15 games. I guess we dont want that 10 td a year te core said no team in the NFL except for Cowboys fans. We just want a safety valve and a check down receiving te who can get receptions but cant make the big plays that win games.

Would you rather march down the field with a te core who has 10 tds in 15 games or just 1 like these scrubs. Lol. Just go run n shoot with slot wrs or use a 350 lb olineman to block if 1 td is all they are worth on paper. These te and fb schemes dont work with our personnel. Never have and never will. We let these 5yard checkdown tes play on 3rd and 24 and in the red zone. Thats why our offense sucks. Garrett does everything that is statistically inept. Maybe moore will do something different but if he plays the same losing te dominated passing scheme with a bunch of dud tes like always we wont win anything for another 20 yrs

If there were zero snaps without a TE as you claim, then it would have zero affect on the stats to include it.

0/1 and 2/3 is just a method of distinguishing personnel groups with and without multiple TEs.

I could have said multiple TE and non-multiple TE.

The Cowboys did have 39 snaps without a TE last season.

They had 7 snaps in the Red Zone without a TE.

Witten Career: 4.5%
Witten without 3 worst years: 4.9%

For reference:
Cole Beasley Career: 5.1%
 

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These te and fb schemes dont work with our personnel. Never have and never will. We let these 5yard checkdown tes play on 3rd and 24 and in the red zone. Thats why our offense sucks. Garrett does everything that is statistically inept.

That certainly explains why Jason Witten statistically inepted his way into being a lock for the Hall of Fame.
 

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That certainly explains why Jason Witten statistically inepted his way into being a lock for the Hall of Fame.
garrett's inferior scheme requires an abundance of superior players to get a decent result.
though against top teams with top talent, the team still ultimately falls short when out-schemed and out-coached.
that is why these stats are not very meaningful as the scheme and coaches are unable to maximize 10 and 11 personnel.
 

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not really fair to compare 2 numbers when one side has 4 times more attempts. If u took just 1 td away (from 7 to 6) the % with 2/3 TE drops to almost same pct at 19. Pct from both sets combined is 18.3% (29 tds from 158 plays) showing the 2/3 TE gave just about the same chance for a score (only slightly improving the 17%) from 0/1 TE set alone.
 

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not really fair to compare 2 numbers when one side has 4 times more attempts. If u took just 1 td away (from 7 to 6) the % with 2/3 TE drops to almost same pct at 19. Pct from both sets combined is 18.3% (29 tds from 158 plays) showing the 2/3 TE gave just about the same chance for a score (only slightly improving the 17%) from 0/1 TE set alone.

That works both ways. There could be 1 more instead of 1 less.
31 plays in 2/3 TE
6 TDs 19.3%
7 TDs 22.6%
8 TDs 25.8%

0/1 TE was 17%
 

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That works both ways. There could be 1 more instead of 1 less.
31 plays in 2/3 TE
6 TDs 19.3%
7 TDs 22.6%
8 TDs 25.8%

0/1 TE was 17%

People should be arguing as contribution upon a general statement presented...lol

I really don't get excited about argument for it's own sake.

Thanks for your contribution, X...
 

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If there were zero snaps without a TE as you claim, then it would have zero affect on the stats to include it.

0/1 and 2/3 is just a method of distinguishing personnel groups with and without multiple TEs.

I could have said multiple TE and non-multiple TE.

The Cowboys did have 39 snaps without a TE last season.

They had 7 snaps in the Red Zone without a TE.

Witten Career: 4.5%
Witten without 3 worst years: 4.9%

For reference:
Cole Beasley Career: 5.1%

39 snaps out of 1000. Must be on punts, fgs, or extra points. Lol. What were the stats in 10 personel with dual slot wrs? Thats what we want to know. Our tes cant win battles that win games.

The tes just take what the defense gives which was a 1 yard td pass in 15 games. Lol. Do you honestly think our offense wouldnt be better without these scrub tes on all our passing plays? 11,12,and13 personnel groups still netted us the worst red zone offense in the league. Thats running and passing. Garretts use of the everydown tes that cant score or beat the Blitz is Crap. Everybody on Gods Green Earth knows this te core is bunk because they are the worst in the League at scoring. They got no go up and get a ball and lets win this game skills and they never can make those winning highlight reels.

The more passes they catch the worse off our offense is because it only leads to zero points. They are keeping better skilled players from scoring all those points because they simply cant score or get it done unless its a scrub division rival or bottom tier team. Were built to lose. Trade these scrubs into an 8-10 td a year te core and we might beat somebody without the defender having to slip on a bannana peel because thats the only time our tes and #2 wr scored last year. Watch the scoring highlights. Lol. Its a bunch of hype. If #82 does make it to the hof it wont be because he was drawing double coverage and was a red zone beast and a big scoring threat. When you only shine against losing teams and you got no history of success against the great teams it doesnt really matter when youre counting up those rings, conference championships, and playoff mvps.
 
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Aint none of these tes ever blocked us to conference championship or Superbowl. Im still waiting on these checkdowners to win something or get their snaps cut but year after year they play them every passing snap as if they are gonna go pick up that 3rd and 24. Lol. Or go up and catch a td pass and it never happens because they dont have the genetics
 

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That certainly explains why Jason Witten statistically inepted his way into being a lock for the Hall of Fame.
Hes hasnt put up hof numbers as a receiver in years. Nobody doubts his ability to shine in a few games against bottom barrell opponents. The problem is he is used as a main cog in our passing offense and he just isnt potent enough to warrant the same involvement like he was still in his prime. Its not the talent its the snapcounts is the problem i have. Hes been out there on tons of win or go home situations and by God he went home!!! He is just as much to blame as anyone else. Hof or not. At this stage in his career he sneaks open a few times a game but the defense knows hes got no yacs or scoring ability so its usually pretty insignificant when he does. Lol. I want the everydown te also but we dont have 1. But we got better blocking ol and slot wr and rbs and we expect more substitution until we get somebody
 
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2018 Red Zone Personnel ( Team TDs with 2/3 TEs vs 0/1 TEs )
  • 2/3 TE 31 plays, 7 TD (23%)
  • 0/1 TE 127 plays, 22 TD (17 %)

Note: This includes playoff games.
This would be an interesting angle from which to look for successful plays, if you have the time and inclination. (I'm assuming you did this from film study.)

"Successful" plays being the ones that gained 40% of yardage to go on 1st down, 60% of yardage to go on 2nd down, and 100% on 3rd/4th down.
 

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,,,er,,,yer' of certainty in being well within the website's proscribed protocols of certain espoused questionable personal beliefs pertaining to falsely held fictional opined views ,,,er,,,yet the flashing neon signpost up ahead on the trail of footnallish acumen the XWALKER has erected for yer' futher advancement in the gridiron grasp of gratitude, is perhaps only tangible in the facts of that of which it clearly illustrates in it's worded structure,,, er,,,certainly:thumbup:
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