Wentz contract put Cowboys in precarious situation

windward · Jun 7, 2019

Well, there was no discount for starters. If Dak signs an extension today, we aren’t going g to calculate the last year of his rookie deal into the AAV, would we? Of course not.

BigCatMonaco · Jun 7, 2019

27 attempts.

That’s what separates their regular season careers.
When asked to pass the ball roughly the same amount of times we have factual data to look at.

1475 passing attempts
67 pass Td
25 int
10,876 yards

1448 passing attempts
70 pass Td
28 int
10,132 yards

So wentz has three more passing TDS and 3 more ints in less than a games worth fewer snaps. He also has 16 fewer rushing Tds than Dak and 7 more fumbles.

So now total #s become clearer.

85 TD
50 Fum/INT
In 48 games

72 TD
60 Fum/INT
In 40 games

Hennessy_King · Jun 7, 2019

Birdgang said:
That's injury guarantee which you know is different right ?

They gonna need that

Cowboys22 · Jun 7, 2019

There is no massive discount. He got $32 million a year in new money. That’s market rate.

Birdgang · Jun 7, 2019

Streetwise said:
The thing that I would be worried about is that this has been his issue starting in college. And not being available kills seasons. They were fortunate to have Foles fill in. What now?

If they did feel comfy with Nate then it would be known by now. Eagles have a solid FO and an owner that is hands off. a HC in year 2 of career

BigCatMonaco said:
27 attempts.

That’s what separates their regular season careers.
When asked to pass the ball roughly the same amount of times we have factual data to look at.

1475 passing attempts
67 pass Td
25 int
10,876 yards

1448 passing attempts
70 pass Td
28 int
10,132 yards

So wentz has three more passing TDS and 3 more ints in less than a games worth fewer snaps. He also has 16 fewer rushing Tds than Dak and 7 more fumbles.

So now total #s become clearer.

85 TD
50 Fum/INT
In 48 games

72 TD
60 Fum/INT
In 40 games

Break it down each year, it represents a better view of both. It will show how they are progressing along and see if they had above average or below average years. 3 years is enough to start a baseline

Hennessy_King said:
They gonna need that

I hope your wrong , but i feel same way. Eagles must know something we dont .

TheSkaven · Jun 7, 2019

ondaedg said:
Free markets can't be stopped by you, the Cowboys front office, etc etc. If a team wants a guy bad enough they will pay him. It's that simple.

And.. trust me.. if they wait a year, the number will be much, much bigger. See: DLaw

Little Jr · Jun 7, 2019

Wood said:
Lets make no mistake about this, Wentz gave the Eagles a massive hometown discount. With remaining money owed ($154 M) and 6 years that is an avg of $25.7 Mill year. If Wentz even sniffs another MVP type year, that contract becomes most favorable team contract in all of sports. Wentz is only the #9th highest paid QB in football with top 3 potential. Garoppolo & Stafford are still ahead of him in avg yearly number (let that sink in). Wentz contract will allow Eagles to be aggressive in FA or resigning their players.

Now for Cowboys, Wentz hometown discount contract put Dallas in a bad spot because Dak will want more. That won't play out well on national or local level because most see Wentz as superior talent. Every game Dak contract will be compared to Wentz. Every losing streak will come back to Dak contract. Its really this simple. Since Wentz & Dak new contracts are happening at same time, If Dak makes more money then he has to out-perform Wentz over next six years. IMO thats wishful thinking.

If dak signed the exact deal with the remaining owed it would be a 5yr 130m with a avg annual of 25m.

And Stafford is not ahead of him on avg annual lol. You're going off his avg annual of his extensions but not including the money left and years left when he signed like you're doing for wentz. If you did, then Stafford would be at 25m a year, less than wentz 25.7m.

If you're going to have a narrative, then be consistent with it. When you give wentz avg annual and include years left, then do it with all when you compare the 2. The avg annual you're getting from sport Trac or otc for Stafford, it's from hid extension and doesn't include remaining years or money. They'll have Wentz at 32m a year.

Hennessy_King · Jun 7, 2019

Birdgang said:
I hope your wrong , but i feel same way. Eagles must know something we dont .

Bout time eagles fans felt our pain with Romo being QB. But the bull can't stay healthy. U guys were lucky to have foles.

Birdgang · Jun 7, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
Bout time eagles fans felt our pain with Romo being QB. But the bull can't stay healthy. U guys were lucky to have foles.

Foles is a good player for sure , but has same question marks as Wentz. Foles has been in NFL since 2012 and has yet to play 16 games. I never wanted him gone back in 2014.... But in the new out with the old. I trust Eagles FO until they give me a reason not to.

Birdgang · Jun 7, 2019

ABQCOWBOY · Jun 7, 2019

Birdgang said:
Foles is a good player for sure , but has same question marks as Wentz. Foles has been in NFL since 2012 and has yet to play 16 games. I never wanted him gone back in 2014.... But in the new out with the old. I trust Eagles FO until they give me a reason not to.

The Eagles have one Championship in the history of the modern NFL, you don't think they've given you enough reason for distrust?

Jerry has given us Three Championships, all in his first 7 seasons, and I don't trust our front office.

G2 · Jun 7, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
The Eagles have one Championship in the history of the modern NFL, you don't think they've given you enough reason for distrust?

Jerry has given us Three Championships, all in his first 7 seasons, and I don't trust our front office.

One championship post the invention of face masks.

pansophy · Jun 7, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
I would not be happy with 28. This sets the bar so paying 28 is just a waste of money to me. It only sets you up for a larger contract down the road, if and when Dak actually proves that he is the man.

If we are giving him a 3rd contract I would like to think that he has shown that. Lots of people are talking about 30 million plus for Dak so to even be a bit above Wentz would not be terrible.

Birdgang · Jun 7, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
The Eagles have one Championship in the history of the modern NFL, you don't think they've given you enough reason for distrust?

Jerry has given us Three Championships, all in his first 7 seasons, and I don't trust our front office.

Jerry won those? Yes I am well aware of Eagles history ... You realise the 90s are long gone and we are in what's called the turn of the Century. So the Cowboys Championships are lumped into the 20th century same as the Eagles 4 " yes 4 if you count Yellow Jackets who became Eagles." also pre Cap era .I hate going off topic when this is about contracts so I will keep it short. Eagles 2 years after huge shakeup seem to have steered things in right direction doing well with Cap management. The last 18 seasons since turn of the century playoffs 11 of 18 seasons with 2 SBs and 6 NFCCG. Cowboys, 3 wins in 23 years not getting past Divisional round.

glimmerman · Jun 7, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
They gonna need that

I do wonder if he is going to be able to stay healthy.

ABQCOWBOY · Jun 7, 2019

pansophy said:
If we are giving him a 3rd contract I would like to think that he has shown that. Lots of people are talking about 30 million plus for Dak so to even be a bit above Wentz would not be terrible.

Lots of people say a lot of things but honestly, most of us don't really know which side is up. There is no reason to give him that much money, at this point in his career. If there were two or three teams that were interested in signing him for that kind of money then yeah, I would then say it's valid but I seriously haven't heard one thing about any team interested in signing Dak for that kind of money. Obviously he's under contract but if a team was interested, then we would have heard about it because everything and anything Cowboys, we always hear about it. I just don't see the wisdom in paying more then you need to for anything. It indicates that you are making decisions based on personal reasoning and not necessarily what might be best for the team.

JMO

MCMetal69 · Jun 7, 2019

Birdgang said:
Jerry won those? Yes I am well aware of Eagles history ... You realise the 90s are long gone and we are in what's called the turn of the Century. So the Cowboys Championships are lumped into the 20th century same as the Eagles 4 " yes 4 if you count Yellow Jackets who became Eagles." also pre Cap era .I hate going off topic when this is about contracts so I will keep it short. Eagles 2 years after huge shakeup seem to have steered things in right direction doing well with Cap management. The last 18 seasons since turn of the century playoffs 11 of 18 seasons with 2 SBs and 6 NFCCG. Cowboys, 3 wins in 23 years not getting past Divisional round.

HUH ????????? The Eagles are currently a little over $4 million under the cap before this extension , which is the 2nd worst in the NFL..............

Birdgang · Jun 7, 2019

MCMetal69 said:
HUH ????????? The Eagles are currently a little over $4 million under the cap before this extension , which is the 2nd worst in the NFL..............

and ? All off season we heard you guys are 20 million over cap.... Then boom we had millions more to spend. Cap has never been an issue with the Eagles so why worry about it?

Rockport · Jun 7, 2019

Wood said:
Lets make no mistake about this, Wentz gave the Eagles a massive hometown discount. With remaining money owed ($154 M) and 6 years that is an avg of $25.7 Mill year. If Wentz even sniffs another MVP type year, that contract becomes most favorable team contract in all of sports. Wentz is only the #9th highest paid QB in football with top 3 potential. Garoppolo & Stafford are still ahead of him in avg yearly number (let that sink in). Wentz contract will allow Eagles to be aggressive in FA or resigning their players.

Now for Cowboys, Wentz hometown discount contract put Dallas in a bad spot because Dak will want more. That won't play out well on national or local level because most see Wentz as superior talent. Every game Dak contract will be compared to Wentz. Every losing streak will come back to Dak contract. Its really this simple. Since Wentz & Dak new contracts are happening at same time, If Dak makes more money then he has to out-perform Wentz over next six years. IMO thats wishful thinking.

Nope. You apparently have been pay attention to the contracts the Co have done since Stephen has taken over.

MCMetal69 · Jun 7, 2019

Birdgang said:
and ? All off season we heard you guys are 20 million over cap.... Then boom we had millions more to spend. Cap has never been an issue with the Eagles so why worry about it?

Who made that claim/statement that the Boy's are $20 million over ? They're almost $50 million UNDER as of this very moment.........And this extension severely limits where Philthy goes from here...............

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