Moore Betta Offense - Rams Twist

ItzKelz · Jun 11, 2019

So I recently read an article that Kellen was implementing something the Rams/McVay has been using with Goff for the last couple of seasons. Which is lining up quickly and then calling in plays via walkie talkie into an earpiece right after the defense is set. Now this is something that worked quite well for Goff as he went from potential bust to a young QB with promise almost immediately after McVay implemented this strategy. However, the second half of last season most defenses seem to figure this out and instead showing their defense immediately they would wait 15 seconds before the clock ran down (which is when the ear piece in the QBs helmet is automatically shut off) before showing how they were going to line up defensively; which led to Goff looking less than stellar. Of course they still made it to the Super Bowl but the offense was obviously not the same the second half of the season.

https://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/co...ellen-moore-is-constantly-in-dak-prescott-ear

My question to Cowboys fans is do you think this is a good system for Kellen to employ considering that most defenses had figured out how to defend this strategy?

Personally I do not. Kellen would have to add some type of twist of his own to make it effective. My first real concern with Kellen.

Eanwen · Jun 11, 2019

I might have missed it but I didn't see in that article where it said Moore would be using this strategy. I would hope Moore didn't see the need because I think the Rams do it because Goff isn't good at reading defenses. You'd think that at this point Dak should be knowledgeable enough to recognize defenses and empowered enough in Moore's offense to change the play (w/o changing the formation) to something more favorable.

Techsass · Jun 11, 2019

I think quick snapping the ball erratically might throw some Ds off. We always seem to snap it with only 1 or 2 seconds left on the play clock. Actually I'm not sure that's still true. Romo waited until the last possible moment.

ItzKelz · Jun 11, 2019

Eanwen said:
I might have missed it but I didn't see in that article where it said Moore would be using this strategy. I would hope Moore didn't see the need because I think the Rams do it because Goff isn't good at reading defenses. You'd think that at this point Dak should be knowledgeable enough to recognize defenses and empowered enough in Moore's offense to change the play (w/o changing the formation) to something more favorable.

The article is above in my OP.

ItzKelz · Jun 11, 2019

Techsass said:
I think quick snapping the ball erratically might throw some Ds off. We always seem to snap it with only 1 or 2 seconds left on the play clock. Actually I'm not sure that's still true. Romo waited until the last possible moment.

Actually Dak has excelled in the 2 minute offense fast pace since he has been starting for us. However, this is not what this is. Its quickly setting up on offense to force the defense to show their cards and then the coach calls the play based on how the defense is set up.

nate dizzle · Jun 11, 2019

I may be way off here but isn't that the point of audibles?

Rockport · Jun 11, 2019

ItzKelz said:
So I recently read an article that Kellen was implementing something the Rams/McVay has been using with Goff for the last couple of seasons. Which is lining up quickly and then calling in plays via walkie talkie into an earpiece right after the defense is set. Now this is something that worked quite well for Goff as he went from potential bust to a young QB with promise almost immediately after McVay implemented this strategy. However, the second half of last season most defenses seem to figure this out and instead showing their defense immediately they would wait 15 seconds before the clock ran down (which is when the ear piece in the QBs helmet is automatically shut off) before showing how they were going to line up defensively; which led to Goff looking less than stellar. Of course they still made it to the Super Bowl but the offense was obviously not the same the second half of the season.

https://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/co...ellen-moore-is-constantly-in-dak-prescott-ear

My question to Cowboys fans is do you think this is a good system for Kellen to employ considering that most defenses had figured out how to defend this strategy?

Personally I do not. Kellen would have to add some type of twist of his own to make it effective. My first real concern with Kellen.

That’s the beauty of a motion based offense. No matter what the Cowboys show and the defense waits and adjusts and the 15secs click off, the Cowboys will shift and it will be a totally different look.

Techsass · Jun 11, 2019

ItzKelz said:
Actually Dak has excelled in the 2 minute offense fast pace since he has been starting for us. However, this is not what this is. Its quickly setting up on offense to force the defense to show their cards and then the coach calls the play based on how the defense is set up.

Yeah I get what the jist was & it could actually work. Dak has enough experience to decide if Moore's adjustment is a good one.

ItzKelz · Jun 11, 2019

Rockport said:
That’s the beauty of a motion based offense. No matter what the Cowboys show and the defense waits and adjusts and the 15secs click off, the Cowboys will shift and it will be a totally different look.

Well the problem is that it got figured out. The Bears were the first to expose them last season by not giving them anything to look at until 15 seconds were left on the play clock. By then McVay could not tell Goff what to run. Of course Goff was not and is not that great at reading defenses but I guess the positive is Dak is better than Goff in that aspect.

AsthmaField · Jun 11, 2019

In that article, they’re just talking about Moore calling the play in to Dak, just like every team does with they’re QB. They’re not talking about the coach waiting to read the defense and then instructing the QB on what to to like McVay was doing with Goff.

Essentially, McVay was reading the defense for his QB... I don’t think that’s what this article is talking about. This is just about Moore getting used to calling in the plays and the pace and timeframe he has to do it in.

At least that’s how I take it.

Eanwen · Jun 11, 2019

ItzKelz said:
The article is above in my OP.

I meant I read the article but I didn't see the sentence/paragraph where it mentioned that Moore would use the Rams' strategy. It mentions the 15 second thing but only in the context of Moore learning the particulars of calling a play and actually being heard by the qb.

ItzKelz · Jun 11, 2019

Eanwen said:
I meant I read the article but I didn't see the sentence/paragraph where it mentioned that Moore would use the Rams' strategy. It mentions the 15 second thing but only in the context of Moore learning the particulars of calling a play and actually being heard by the qb.

Oh I see. It does not say the Rams but it was the same strategy that the Rams used last season. Sorry I just assumed most folks would know that.

Whyjerry · Jun 11, 2019

The Cowboys offense needs to play with more tempo and deception. Been saying that for years. Since Garrett arrived this offense showed ZERO imagination. If true, this is a welcome change.

ItzKelz · Jun 11, 2019

Whyjerry said:
The Cowboys offense needs to play with more tempo and deception. Been saying that for years. Since Garrett arrived this offense showed ZERO imagination. If true, this is a welcome change.

Actually IMO JG was very creative and very attacking especially when he had the talent at WR. I thought things got boring with Linehan.

Whyjerry · Jun 11, 2019

ItzKelz said:
Actually IMO JG was very creative and very attacking especially when he had the talent at WR. I thought things got boring with Linehan.

Huh? You lost me when you had Garrett and creative in the same sentence. "Very" creative is just insane.

PhillySpecial · Jun 11, 2019

ItzKelz said:
So I recently read an article that Kellen was implementing something the Rams/McVay has been using with Goff for the last couple of seasons. Which is lining up quickly and then calling in plays via walkie talkie into an earpiece right after the defense is set. Now this is something that worked quite well for Goff as he went from potential bust to a young QB with promise almost immediately after McVay implemented this strategy. However, the second half of last season most defenses seem to figure this out and instead showing their defense immediately they would wait 15 seconds before the clock ran down (which is when the ear piece in the QBs helmet is automatically shut off) before showing how they were going to line up defensively; which led to Goff looking less than stellar. Of course they still made it to the Super Bowl but the offense was obviously not the same the second half of the season.

https://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/co...ellen-moore-is-constantly-in-dak-prescott-ear

My question to Cowboys fans is do you think this is a good system for Kellen to employ considering that most defenses had figured out how to defend this strategy?

Personally I do not. Kellen would have to add some type of twist of his own to make it effective. My first real concern with Kellen.

It's been known that McVay was using the headset in this manner since 2017. This article is from Nov. 2017.

https://www.ocregister.com/2017/11/...hat-rams-play-calling-is-cheating-or-immoral/

I've also seen that McVay and Shannahan used this method with Cousins in Washington. So chances are that Shannahan does the same thing with Garappolo.

AsthmaField · Jun 11, 2019

I definitely want to see the tempo increased. Dak does well at an up tempo pace.

If you’re ahead and want to eat the clock up... sure, slow it down. However, I’d like to see them quicken it up more than just being behind in the two-min. drill.

Sarge · Jun 11, 2019

Techsass said:
I think quick snapping the ball erratically might throw some Ds off. We always seem to snap it with only 1 or 2 seconds left on the play clock. Actually I'm not sure that's still true. Romo waited until the last possible moment.

That was Romo for sure.

glimmerman · Jun 11, 2019

Sarge said:
That was Romo for sure.

Yeah I thought he started doing it when we had the lead, run every second he could off the clock..

AsthmaField · Jun 11, 2019

PhillySpecial said:
It's been known that McVay was using the headset in this manner since 2017. This article is from Nov. 2017.

https://www.ocregister.com/2017/11/...hat-rams-play-calling-is-cheating-or-immoral/

I've also seen that McVay and Shannahan used this method with Cousins in Washington. So chances are that Shannahan does the same thing with Garappolo.

You’re correct about that... but this article isn’t saying that’s what Moore will be doing with Dak. It’s just about Moore learning to call plays and the pace that he’ll have to get it in to the QB. It doesn’t talk about the offense getting to the line quickly and Moore reading the defense for Dak. This is about what every team does in calling the plays in to the QB.

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