Things we should be learning from Pats

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:

Yeah. They're all of a sudden loaded on offense. Which is just plain scary.

But he brings in young DB's uses these guys up and let's them walk. That's savvy.

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Big_D said:

All running QBs eventually stop running. It will happen to Dak too. His ability to run is a weapon right now, but for how long?

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CouchCoach said:

He's all about the OL and secondary, which is not the norm in the game. Many put the DL ahead of the secondary and while they do compliment each other, he's in that the secondary helps the DL pass rush more then the reverse of that.

And what makes that interesting to me, he's got the offense designed to beat that, get the ball out faster than anyone. His D practices against the best O at doing what he wants to stop.

I do think he's the mad scientist and if they looked in his basement would probably find 100 of those old electric football games, each with a different O and D alignment. And a one eyed cat on an old Barcalounger in the corner. He turns them all on and he watches the cat to see which he's watching with his one good eye.

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CouchCoach said:

Smith ran for a while until that nasty break but all Dak has to do is the next 3-4 years because they will reload around then. What he has to be is careful and not initiate contact, he's a stout lad for a QB but all it takes is one lower body injury to change things.

The question is how many QB run plays do they have or allow for a 30M QB? However, most QB injuries occur in the pocket.

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rocyaice said:

That makes absolutely no sense. What evidence suggests that in 2002 Tom Brady was a top 3 player? He developed into the best quarterback in the league. He shared time with Drew Henson at Michigan for goodness sakes.

He was developed by one of the best coaches of all time if not the best. Give credit where its due.

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rocyaice said:

Hahahahahahahaha......I guess you think Tom Brady has always been a top 3 quarterback in the league lol........

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GenoT said:

7. Thirty-one other NFL teams had 5-6 chances to draft Tom Brady before the Pats took him.

8. Yes, the Pats got caught filming other teams during the preseason (since then, several ex-NFL coaches have admitted it was a common practice at the time). NE was fined $500,000 and lost a first-round draft pick...and yet it didn’t slow them down.

Later, during a 45-7 beatdown of the Colts, one of Brady’s footballs was found to be under-inflated by less than 1psi (like that was the difference in the game, smh). Tom then served season-opening 4-game suspension and yet the Pats still went 3-1, while using both their second & third-string QBs.

The REAL reason for the Pats success is their owner was smart enough to hire the best PROFESSIONAL football mind available (Bill Belichick) and then stay the F’ out of his way.

What’s ironic is, Jerry Jones started out with the same approach when he hired Jimmy Johnson.

The difference is, Bob Kraft was/is willing to stay out of the football side of things — other than to polish his SIX Lombardi Trophies — while Jerry has operated the Cowboys as his personal ego-stroke ever since he ran Jimmy off.

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GenoT said:

Would Brady be the GOAT without Belichick (with the owner’s blessing and lack of interference) building a sustainable team around him; a team whose fluid composition has allowed Brady to age gracefully as a QB?

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visionary said:

Tom Brady is possibly the best QB in NFL history

Dak is not even top 10 among current QBs

Try to let those ideas sink in and marinate a little before you further embarrass yourself

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Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:

What you are basically saying is no one knew Brady was going to be a top 3 all time passer if you look at his stats in 2001.

What I'm saying is that if your judging QB's by their first year starting stats, then you can make the same argument about all the great QB's. No one knew according to his early stats.

No one knew Moon would be great, by his early stats. No one knew Aikman would be great, by his early stats. Montana, Brees, Kelly so on and so forth.

So if you look at the totality of Brady's career then the answer is a resounding yes; he is the G.O.A.T. And the evidence of his goatness in 2001 was him raising the Lombardi in his first year as a starter. So even though his stats didn't look great he was a champion. So the evidence you are looking for is in the ring he won that year. Stats ain't everything.

Stats ain't everything. And stats dont tell the whole tale. Ring. Ring.

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lkelly said:

You forgot:

Have the other 3 teams in your division stuck in a constant rebuild cycle led by ever-changing new management each more clueless than the last

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Hardline said:

The Pats aren't playing division teams in the playoffs. They are playing and beating the AFCs best and then beating the NFCs best in the Super Bowl.

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lkelly said:

The Pats typically get home field advantage and a bye in the playoffs because they win their division by default and they have 6 games against bottom feeder teams most of the year just in their division. If they were in the same division as New Orleans, Carolina, and Atlanta, do you think that they would have a wide open door to the #1 seed most years? Two extra wins can easily make the difference between a #3 or #4 seed and the top seed. That's an additional playoff game and you have to go on the road to play the second round.

That matters.

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CowboysRule said:

Just curious, since you're comparing Johnson to Belichick, what did Johnson accomplish down in Miami when he didn't have 1,000 draft picks and unlimited money?

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kskboys said:

Yeah, we try to copy them, but we try to copy their 2 TE sets and obsession w/ CB's. Here's some of the things that really make them successful.

1. Continuously draft OL and DL.
2. Make sure to have replacements in place for players who will want a huge salary.
3. Do the opposite of what most of the NFL is doing. This allows you to find useful players all over the draft. Belly's 3-4 wasn't everywhere, so he was getting players who fit his system all over the draft. When the NFL switched to the 3-4, Belly went back to the 4-3, so he's still finding useful players all over the draft. He was doing that 2 TE set, so when everyone started switching, he's now going for WR's and is using a pass catching RB profusely.
4. Even if they don't play more than half the time, make sure to have a huge dude for the middle, to put a stop to O's like the Rams. Stop that run up the middle, and it's going to be a bit more difficult.
5. Always have a good stout OL in place. Always.
6. Don't overpay players. It kills you pretty quick.

Anything I missed? I know, I know, it helps tremendously to have a top 5 all time HC and QB, I get that. And that's a huge part of why they win. However, there are other things that can be done.

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Big_D said:

2 playoff wins in 4 years. Same as Garrett in 10. He was a championship coach in college and coached one of the greatest NFL teams ever. You could downplay that all you want. The Fins owner wouldn't let him replace Marino. A sentimental decision and a terrible one. You call yourself a Cowboy fan and rip Jimmy Johnson??? lol sad.


And just stop with the unlimited money garbage. Cowboys had the 17th ranked 'team' salary in 1992 and far and away the best team.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1992-12-29-1992364184-story.html

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CowboyRoy said:

Yep, you nailed it. Jimmy was saddled with having to keep Marino when he was toast. In effect, Jimmy was neutered.

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Big_D said:

You can't ask a guy to rebuild your team and then not give him free rein to do it. That decision made no sense at all. Marino threw 17, 16, 23 and 12 TDs in those 4 years. Not good.

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