Jerry’s bad timing

ArtClink · Jun 12, 2019

Bobhaze said:
He has a habit of hanging on to players who have long proven they are not worth it. Chaz Green, Gavin Escobar, Ro McClain, Josh Brent, Greg Hardy, to name a few. Loyalty is good in many aspects of life. But not for an NFL GM.

How can you say that about Escobar after his performance with the Alliance's San Diego Fleet this season? Have you forgotten that his four years in Dallas yielded 333 receiving yards?

buybuydandavis · Jun 12, 2019

Bobhaze said:
How does Jerry have a bad sense of when it’s time to make a change? Let us count the ways:

Early on in Jerry’s reign, he had the opposite problem than today by having a fast hook on his HC. Today the timing problem is having a long hook. Most owners would have fired their HC after 8 seasons for only making the playoffs 3 times and only winning 2 playoff games. Not JJ. I have fears that if the Cowboys go 8-8 next year, he finds a way to excuse keeping his red headed step son.

He has a habit of hanging on to players who have long proven they are not worth it. Chaz Green, Gavin Escobar, Ro McClain, Josh Brent, Greg Hardy, to name a few. Loyalty is good in many aspects of life. But not for an NFL GM.

Keeping key coaches around too long. Scott Linehan is the most recent example. After the debacle of 2017, he should have been fired. But then again, Garrett should have been fired on the tarmac in Atlanta after what Chaz Green was allowed to do.

But it will be interesting to see if Jerry does what is obvious to almost every Cowboys fan- if we don’t win big this year, Garrett must go.

The early hooks for coaches (Jerry has expressed that he regrets dumping Gailey too quickly) are why he's slow on the hook for coaches now. The pattern I see is Jerry giving coaches a chance to prove themselves, instead of simply finding evaluating performance and seeing if he can do better. There's some point to it. Coaching turnover sets the team back for personnel fit. That's the problem with our GM not being a real football guy. Football philosophy is set by the coaches, so that turnover in coaching means poor personnel fit.

With Garrett, it seems like he's adjusting to make it work. And despite Garrett's evident failures on gameday, it's hard to argue with the record the last 5 years. We remained competitive even when moving on from Romo and eating all that cap. Dak really saved Garrett's bacon. I though for sure Garrett would be shown the door when Romo retired. That was the time to move on to a new football philosophy. Then 2016 changed that. Now we're a young, up and coming team. Garrett played his part in getting us to this point.

On dumping players, I think they've gotten it about right. He let Dez go. Dez was troubled adopted grandson. But out he went.

A lot of people wanted The Stoner cut, (I note you didn't say so here) but there was nothing to be gained by throwing away his rights.

People complain about Jerry keeping players too long, but much of that is Jerry simply not flushing value down the toilet, despite complications. Except maybe for McClain, even your list doesn't look like hanging on to players too long. Cutting Green before his rookie contract was up was kind of surprising. I give him credit for cutting him earlier than expected.

ArtClink · Jun 12, 2019

Whyjerry said:
There are never enough Jerry/Jason bashing threads. Never. Keep them coming everyone!

I guess you and every Cowboy fan with a functional brain is upset we can't win a freakin' divisional playoff game after 24 seasons to experiment with. Yeah, that is definitely ALL Jerry. Hubris is a terrible thing.

BTW, I have the tar & feathers ready for the day they erect (snicker) the Jerry statue outside Jonestown Stajum. i predict it will tower over the Landry statue...

robjay04 · Jun 12, 2019

kskboys said:
Escobar: Not if you examine his skillset. Slow out of the breaks and a terrible blocker. You take a shot at a player like that in rounds 5-7. I can't quite figure out why we took him in the 2nd, but you can call it timing because we took him way too early in the draft. The excuse that we didn't give him the snaps doesn't work any more, as he's been w/ 4 NFL teams since we released him, and is currently a FA after trying to play in the now defunct AAF. I think you might want to change your narrative on Esco.

Oh I agree he stunk. I think they envisioned him as a goal line tight end which he had a couple moments but definitely a bad pick.

I’m just saying it’s hard for any player to improve given the circumstances.

Bobhaze · Jun 12, 2019

CouchCoach said:
When a man has an oversized ego and comes to believe his own BS, there is only one thing to save him from himself, the fear of failure. He does not have that for there is no consequence to that. He admitted he should have fired himself, has been outed several times for being a poor GM and making poor decisions and even publicly embarrassed with strippergate and none of that had any effect on him. He went into hiding during the strippergate mess but then emerged resilient as ever.

Once he takes a stance, he leaves no wiggle room to extricate himself and just digs in deeper against any criticism because he has an ego similar to someone else in the public eye. An ego that says even if I am wrong, I must be right.

Two owners have proven they can run their own club, George Halas and Al Davis but Al let his "dig in deeper" overrule his good sense because at one time he was as good as any that have done it. They both proved they could do it while Booger still struggles to prove that.

You cannot expect any man to perform at his best without that fear of failure present. Most success is driven by that because that is the consequence. Booger can just keep failing time after time because the value of the franchise will allow him that luxury. People will continue to tune in regardless of the team fielded and he knows that would last for some time.

The biggest problem is what I mentioned in the first sentence, believing your own BS. He actually thinks the success of this team is because of him. He thinks all of that glitzy glamor window dressing is what matters. He will not allow himself to think what would have happened if Johnson hadn't turned his team around so quickly for him and pulled the legion of fans, that existed before he ever got into the game, back in. Back in the day, Cowboys Mystique existed, he didn't build that, just took advantage of that and exploited it.

Some feel timing is nothing more than luck but it is a skill. But it is a skill best honed with the fear of failure constantly lurking nearby. Timing causes the decision maker to weigh the consequences as well as the rewards but when there are no consequences, timing doesn't matter.

This...is an outstanding post. Can’t think of a more apt description of the last 30 years.

Bobhaze · Jun 12, 2019

kskboys said:
To add:

Jerry let both the OL and DL fall completely apart before attempting a fix. This cost us dearly in both wasted seasons and being forced to spend high draft picks on those areas. Bad timing.

Appears to me as if this bad timing is a result of just not comprehending what it takes to successfully manage a team in the NFL.

Thank you. That last sentence you have above better sums up what I was trying to say.

Fire407 · Jun 12, 2019

I think that Jerry wishes he could be old school like George Halas, where he could own the team and coach the team. After Jimmy got fired, I bet for a brief moment JJ really considered making himself head coach.

xwalker · Jun 12, 2019

Bobhaze said:
Blind spots. We all have them. Those areas of our lives where we cannot see what others see plainly. Unfortunately, the most powerful person in our favorite team’s front office has more blind spots than a blind man. And perhaps worse, his timing on when to make moves (changes) is terrible. In fact, it’s one of his biggest blind spots.

What I mean by bad timing is this: Jerry too often waits until something or someone so obviously needs to go, he is forced to make a change. This is is a very bad habit in the NFL, where timing is important both on and off the field.

How does Jerry have a bad sense of when it’s time to make a change? Let us count the ways:

Early on in Jerry’s reign, he had the opposite problem than today by having a fast hook on his HC. Today the timing problem is having a long hook. Most owners would have fired their HC after 8 seasons for only making the playoffs 3 times and only winning 2 playoff games. Not JJ. I have fears that if the Cowboys go 8-8 next year, he finds a way to excuse keeping his red headed step son.

He has a habit of hanging on to players who have long proven they are not worth it. Chaz Green, Gavin Escobar, Ro McClain, Josh Brent, Greg Hardy, to name a few. Loyalty is good in many aspects of life. But not for an NFL GM.

Keeping key coaches around too long. Scott Linehan is the most recent example. After the debacle of 2017, he should have been fired. But then again, Garrett should have been fired on the tarmac in Atlanta after what Chaz Green was allowed to do.

Jerry has a habit of talking too much, just when the team needs him to shut up. Whenever this team starts playing well or poorly, Jerry seems to talk the most. And most of his meaningless drivel does zero to actually help his team or his HC.

Will Jerry ever have any good timing? At 76, old ways die hard. But it will be interesting to see if Jerry does what is obvious to almost every Cowboys fan- if we don’t win big this year, Garrett must go.

Do you remember the old concept of people being a Right Brain (artistic) type or a Left Brain (analytical) type?

I believe you are a Right Brain type...

CowboyRoy · Jun 12, 2019

Bobhaze said:
Blind spots. We all have them. Those areas of our lives where we cannot see what others see plainly. Unfortunately, the most powerful person in our favorite team’s front office has more blind spots than a blind man. And perhaps worse, his timing on when to make moves (changes) is terrible. In fact, it’s one of his biggest blind spots.

What I mean by bad timing is this: Jerry too often waits until something or someone so obviously needs to go, he is forced to make a change. This is is a very bad habit in the NFL, where timing is important both on and off the field.

How does Jerry have a bad sense of when it’s time to make a change? Let us count the ways:

Early on in Jerry’s reign, he had the opposite problem than today by having a fast hook on his HC. Today the timing problem is having a long hook. Most owners would have fired their HC after 8 seasons for only making the playoffs 3 times and only winning 2 playoff games. Not JJ. I have fears that if the Cowboys go 8-8 next year, he finds a way to excuse keeping his red headed step son.

He has a habit of hanging on to players who have long proven they are not worth it. Chaz Green, Gavin Escobar, Ro McClain, Josh Brent, Greg Hardy, to name a few. Loyalty is good in many aspects of life. But not for an NFL GM.

Keeping key coaches around too long. Scott Linehan is the most recent example. After the debacle of 2017, he should have been fired. But then again, Garrett should have been fired on the tarmac in Atlanta after what Chaz Green was allowed to do.

Jerry has a habit of talking too much, just when the team needs him to shut up. Whenever this team starts playing well or poorly, Jerry seems to talk the most. And most of his meaningless drivel does zero to actually help his team or his HC.

Will Jerry ever have any good timing? At 76, old ways die hard. But it will be interesting to see if Jerry does what is obvious to almost every Cowboys fan- if we don’t win big this year, Garrett must go.

We all agree. Accept for Idgit that is.

But all that aside, you need to accept the fact that Garrett isn't going ANYWHERE!!!!!

The good news at least is that Jones continues to neuter Garrett every year. This year was HUGE step in promoting Moore the CHANGE THE OFFENSE.

How much of a change will determine how good of a season we have.

Sydla · Jun 12, 2019

Idgit said:
Lol, 'just.' I never suggested we've been doing the right things going back to 2000. Only that we've generally been doing the right things recently.

There are 32 teams in the NFL. Some of them are going to have success. Some of it's even going to be sustained.

You “think” we have been doing things right recently but still can’t get beyond the divisional round. We are not much further than we were when Phillips fielded a top seeded Cowboys team a decade ago.

Idgit · Jun 12, 2019

Sydla said:
You “think” we have been doing things right recently but still can’t get beyond the divisional round.

Yep.

Blackrain · Jun 12, 2019

kskboys said:
To add:

Jerry let both the OL and DL fall completely apart before attempting a fix. This cost us dearly in both wasted seasons and being forced to spend high draft picks on those areas. Bad timing.

Appears to me as if this bad timing is a result of just not comprehending what it takes to successfully manage a team in the NFL.

Yep Jerrys concept of team building left much to be desired a short time back.

Like many insanely rich guys he has picked a hobby that he really struggles to be successful at. The more he struggles the more determined he gets to figure out a way to be as good a football GM as he is a business man all while we fans sit here thinking he could pay for the best at every coaching position and managerial spot on the team.

We as fans are thinking logically because we want to win and that is fun for us . Winning is only fun for Jerry if he is the center piece of the process . Without his deep involvement its just not fun or rewarding enough for him .

He just dosent give a spit how much we suffer or how long it takes . It has to be done his way or not at all . I have resigned myself to these facts and enjoy watching the power running game cover most our sins till everyone is good and we get out coached on gameday in the playoffs . The cap has made this scenario just about as good as we can expect it to get for us with Jerry still in charge

DandyDon52 · Jun 12, 2019

SoupcanSam said:
You would think the closer jerry gets to kicking the bucket he would have a sense of urgency. The guy must believe he is living in BC times.

I have wondered about this, but he may have plans for a bionic body or something lol he may never go away!

DandyDon52 · Jun 12, 2019

Blackrain said:
Yep Jerrys concept of team building left much to be desired a short time back.

Like many insanely rich guys he has picked a hobby that he really struggles to be successful at. The more he struggles the more determined he gets to figure out a way to be as good a football GM as he is a business man all while we fans sit here thinking he could pay for the best at every coaching position and managerial spot on the team.

We as fans are thinking logically because we want to win and that is fun for us . Winning is only fun for Jerry if he is the center piece of the process . Without his deep involvement its just not fun or rewarding enough for him .

He just dosent give a spit how much we suffer or how long it takes . It has to be done his way or not at all . I have resigned myself to these facts and enjoy watching the power running game cover most our sins till everyone is good and we get out coached on gameday in the playoffs . The cap has made this scenario just about as good as we can expect it to get for us with Jerry still in charge

America's Cowboy · Jun 12, 2019

Bobhaze said:
Blind spots. We all have them. Those areas of our lives where we cannot see what others see plainly. Unfortunately, the most powerful person in our favorite team’s front office has more blind spots than a blind man. And perhaps worse, his timing on when to make moves (changes) is terrible. In fact, it’s one of his biggest blind spots.

What I mean by bad timing is this: Jerry too often waits until something or someone so obviously needs to go, he is forced to make a change. This is is a very bad habit in the NFL, where timing is important both on and off the field.

How does Jerry have a bad sense of when it’s time to make a change? Let us count the ways:

Early on in Jerry’s reign, he had the opposite problem than today by having a fast hook on his HC. Today the timing problem is having a long hook. Most owners would have fired their HC after 8 seasons for only making the playoffs 3 times and only winning 2 playoff games. Not JJ. I have fears that if the Cowboys go 8-8 next year, he finds a way to excuse keeping his red headed step son.

He has a habit of hanging on to players who have long proven they are not worth it. Chaz Green, Gavin Escobar, Ro McClain, Josh Brent, Greg Hardy, to name a few. Loyalty is good in many aspects of life. But not for an NFL GM.

Keeping key coaches around too long. Scott Linehan is the most recent example. After the debacle of 2017, he should have been fired. But then again, Garrett should have been fired on the tarmac in Atlanta after what Chaz Green was allowed to do.

Jerry has a habit of talking too much, just when the team needs him to shut up. Whenever this team starts playing well or poorly, Jerry seems to talk the most. And most of his meaningless drivel does zero to actually help his team or his HC.

Will Jerry ever have any good timing? At 76, old ways die hard. But it will be interesting to see if Jerry does what is obvious to almost every Cowboys fan- if we don’t win big this year, Garrett must go.

Sorry, BH, but I disagree on Garrett. Garrett has surrounded himself with a good bunch of coaches. Plus, Garrett finally got rid of Linehan and is willing to truly amp up the playbook with the promotion of Kellen Moore. Even the WRs are loving the new change in playcalling, plus the new tweaks in plays. The players like and respect Garrett, plus all of our Boys leaders absolutely love him. They all will battle for their head coach. That speaks volumes. Garrett has had 3 years in a row of winning seasons, plus 2 NFC East crowns, 2 trips to the playoffs, along with 1 playoff victory and 2 separate playoff games of ending within a score in each from advancing to the NFC Conference Championship Game. That is pretty darn good results, so I honestly don't get anyone wanting to get rid of Garrett.

If you or others personally don't like Garrett, that's fine. It's your right. But...I strongly believe it would be a huge mistake getting rid of a head coach whom Jerry and this organization has invested so much time into and molded into what we are now starting to see as a yearly consistent winning head coach of the Dallas Cowboys who has surrounded himself with some very good coaches, a Top 5 NFL scouting department, have consistently drafted well to rebuild the team and made it one of the youngest and most talented teams in the league. It's crazy wanting to disrupt what is now coming to fruition. Coach Garrett needs to stay. He's earned it.

Fire407 · Jun 13, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
Sorry, BH, but I disagree on Garrett. Garrett has surrounded himself with a good bunch of coaches. Plus, Garrett finally got rid of Linehan and is willing to truly amp up the playbook with the promotion of Kellen Moore. Even the WRs are loving the new change in playcalling, plus the new tweaks in plays. The players like and respect Garrett, plus all of our Boys leaders absolutely love him. They all will battle for their head coach. That speaks volumes. Garrett has had 3 years in a row of winning seasons, plus 2 NFC East crowns, 2 trips to the playoffs, along with 1 playoff victory and 2 separate playoff games of ending within a score in each from advancing to the NFC Conference Championship Game. That is pretty darn good results, so I honestly don't get anyone wanting to get rid of Garrett.

If you or others personally don't like Garrett, that's fine. It's your right. But...I strongly believe it would be a huge mistake getting rid of a head coach whom Jerry and this organization has invested so much time into and molded into what we are now starting to see as a yearly consistent winning head coach of the Dallas Cowboys who has surrounded himself with some very good coaches, a Top 5 NFL scouting department, have consistently drafted well to rebuild the team and made it one of the youngest and most talented teams in the league. It's crazy wanting to disrupt what is now coming to fruition. Coach Garrett needs to stay. He's earned it.

You make it sound like Garrett got rid of Linehan and somehow had something to do with the promotion of Kellen Moore. Garrett didn't have a clue that Linehan was going to be gone until he was told, and I'm sure either Jerry or Stephen wanted Moore as OC. Garrett is along for the ride.

America's Cowboy · Jun 13, 2019

Fire407 said:
You make it sound like Garrett got rid of Linehan and somehow had something to do with the promotion of Kellen Moore. Garrett didn't have a clue that Linehan was going to be gone until he was told, and I'm sure either Jerry or Stephen wanted Moore as OC. Garrett is along for the ride.

How do you know? Do you have proof or are you simply opining on what you want to believe happened?

SoupcanSam · Jun 13, 2019

DandyDon52 said:
I have wondered about this, but he may have plans for a bionic body or something lol he may never go away!

Or he may just freeze himself. Save himself for later until the Benjamin Button & Stabilization kit is completed in year 3023.

I doubt we'd have any other SB's besides the 5.

Blackrain · Jun 13, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
Sorry, BH, but I disagree on Garrett. Garrett has surrounded himself with a good bunch of coaches. Plus, Garrett finally got rid of Linehan and is willing to truly amp up the playbook with the promotion of Kellen Moore. Even the WRs are loving the new change in playcalling, plus the new tweaks in plays. The players like and respect Garrett, plus all of our Boys leaders absolutely love him. They all will battle for their head coach. That speaks volumes. Garrett has had 3 years in a row of winning seasons, plus 2 NFC East crowns, 2 trips to the playoffs, along with 1 playoff victory and 2 separate playoff games of ending within a score in each from advancing to the NFC Conference Championship Game. That is pretty darn good results, so I honestly don't get anyone wanting to get rid of Garrett.

If you or others personally don't like Garrett, that's fine. It's your right. But...I strongly believe it would be a huge mistake getting rid of a head coach whom Jerry and this organization has invested so much time into and molded into what we are now starting to see as a yearly consistent winning head coach of the Dallas Cowboys who has surrounded himself with some very good coaches, a Top 5 NFL scouting department, have consistently drafted well to rebuild the team and made it one of the youngest and most talented teams in the league. It's crazy wanting to disrupt what is now coming to fruition. Coach Garrett needs to stay. He's earned it.

AC I agree with all your points and the fact this team didn't lay down last year and battled to the playoffs speaks volumes as far as the players commitment to Garrett . I also commend him for his ability to get along with Jerry keep him comfortable and still manage to win . This is a difficult task just in itself and a burden other coaches don't have to carry I don't want to see Garrett gone either but want him in a position where he can do the most good .

That position seems to be collecting good talent and motivating them to play hard , don't really care what title they put on it .

We need some one on Game Day against playoff caliber teams that can use our talent to its fullest , someone who can game plan specific for these top teams create and exploit mismatches and above all be able to think on the fly , in the moment and make the adjustments necessary to win the game .

Im hoping between Kris Richards and Kellen Moore Garrett will now have enough quality help to get this done . Bottom line IMO the last piece of this puzzle is a guy or group who can pull the rabbit out of the hat when it counts . To get farther we can not depend on talent alone we have to be able to outcoach top teams in the playoffs where everyone is good .

CouchCoach · Jun 13, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
How do you know? Do you have proof or are you simply opining on what you want to believe happened?

Well, there is that comment Garrett made on the Monday after the playoff game that Linehan would return only to recant that later in the day with a "this is what I really meant" BS play.

The most telling part of that to me was how in the hell does Garrett assume that? Had they not had any conversations about that when the offense was sputtering?

I believe the one that told them that could make that group of WR's work, with a young QB that struggled the last half of the season, was Linehan and his reward was his ticket punched on the 3:10 to Yuma. And the fact that the turnaround point was rectifying that with trading for Cooper and him being an instant fit was his the beginning of his end.

Why else would you get rid of the OC when the failing of the team was the D, namely a run D that gave up 270 yards? Any D that does that, it's the DC that should get his ticket punched.

And why haven't we heard more about the mysterious "Cleatgate"? Half the front 7 looked like kids on ice skates for the first time. There was mention of cleats before the game and a little smattering of that after the game but I never heard the full story. Is it even plausible that the Cowboys didn't have the appropriate cleats with them? Isn't that just standard traveling gear with every equipment manager?

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