Report: Dak Prescott counteroffer higher than Carson Wentz deal

Jake · Jun 13, 2019

If I'm Dak's agent I'm demanding the moon AND the stars. It's up to the Cowboys to decide if they agree with it.

That's negotiations.

PAPPYDOG · Jun 13, 2019

PJTHEDOORS said:
Zeke & Cooper too then. They will also want top money.

They have TALENT....deserve TOP money......now Dak ....all aboard folks bus driver well there's always a very LOW guaranteed money with high incentives deal waiting....let's see how much of a bad-*** Dak agent is and how much of a fool GM Jerry might be....interesting stuff....

Jake · Jun 13, 2019

lockster said:
Just tell him you sign or we start to tag you when we have too. Then make him run thirty times a game in the preseason to let him know you mean business. That should help him sign faster for less. Makes me sick seeing the greed of these qbs that hurt the finances of the team. As much as I don't care for Brady, he's smartest QB in the league, play for less, and get to the Superbowl more often. Then Ur worth millions and millions even after U retire due to Ur fame alone.

Tag him, pay that amount, then try to get him injured in preseason. Brilliant strategy. :muttley:

And for the love of all things can we declare a moratorium on the Brady comparisons? Tom Brady is married to one of the richest women on the planet. Stop acting like he made some sacrifice for his team. It's nonsense. He did it for himself, and will suffer no financial consequences because of his wife's wealth.

Idgit · Jun 13, 2019

rocyaice said:
Not at all. That's why it was important to sign Dak before Wentz. Regardless of how we or anyone feels about Dak and Wentz...whoever signed last was getting the bigger deal. Then Mariota will get a bigger deal than them....then Goff will get one bigger than them. That's how this has all played out. Whoever signs last will get the biggest contract.

I just don’t think that’s true. They’re comparable players, but assuming they both sign in the same offseason, they’ll end up with comparable deals. And they would have, either way.

I also don’t think Wentz’ deal broke the bank, but that doesn’t mean it’s a sure thing Dak will get more. Or, if he does, it’ll be more than Dak would have got, anyway.

TheMarathonContinues · Jun 13, 2019

Idgit said:
I just don’t think that’s true. They’re comparable players, but assuming they both sign in the same offseason, they’ll end up with comparable deals. And they would have, either way.

I also don’t think Wentz’ deal broke the bank, but that doesn’t mean it’s a sure thing Dak will get more. Or, if he does, it’ll be more than Dak would have got, anyway.

I don't think he gets more but I do think he gets at least what Wentz got. We just have to be realistic and take our emotions out of it. Sure I'd love for Dak to sign a 20 million dollar deal a year. My fandom in me wants that. But if I'm being realistic? Why should Dak take less than what Wentz has? His resume is better. He's healthier. He doesn't have his arm....he doesn't have Wentz's measurables.....that's not what you are paying for. You are paying for results. And the results work in Dak's favor.

Silly · Jun 13, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
Were you upset when Romo got greedy and signed his second at-the-time franchise record contract extension in 2011, even though injuries were already starting to set in?

yes. everybody knew it was a huge gamble.

Birdgang · Jun 13, 2019

I think a lot are missing the fact Carson's extension does not go into effect for 2 more seasons 2021. He makes 4 million this year , the 5th year option which is 22 m. They can spread the cap hit as well while he is cheap. 2 years ago Derrek Carr broke the bank with 25m a year while most were under 20m. So when 2021 comes .... his contract won't really be bad at all. Most fans I know are good with it .... Im a little worried, but I dont work for the Eagles FO.

xwalker · Jun 13, 2019

Cowboys22 said:
Why more? Wentz is trending up if he can stay healthy while Dak has trended down. His max contract should be $25.8 million average over the total life of the deal including this year’s salary so as to match Wentz’s deal. It basically works out to a 5 year $152.8 million extension putting him under contract for 6 years at $154.8 million. Boom, $25.8 a year average for 6 years. Give him $107 million in guarantees and bonuses to match the others and there you have the fair deal for each side. I don’t like it as it’s way too much for the inconsistency and unknown future of Dak but it’s either that or let him go which I know the team won’t do. The other option is to make him play this year for $2 million and franchise him. I like this option the best as it gives us another 2 years to see who he becomes but it may cost $40 million a year to sign him in two years.

The 25.8M number is meaningless. The Wentz number for comparison to other QBs is 32M AAV.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/contract-extensions-average-annual-value.434587/

RustyBourneHorse · Jun 13, 2019

J12B said:
Prescott's should be exactly what Carson got. Maybe 1 million more per year.

Eagles greatly overpaid in my opinion.

I expect the negotiations to go somewhere more normal. I think you're about right where the contract will be.

xwalker · Jun 13, 2019

Birdgang said:
I think a lot are missing the fact Carson's extension does not go into effect for 2 more seasons 2021. He makes 4 million this year , the 5th year option which is 22 m. They can spread the cap hit as well while he is cheap. 2 years ago Derrek Carr broke the bank with 25m a year while most were under 20m. So when 2021 comes .... his contract won't really be bad at all. Most fans I know are good with it .... Im a little worried, but I dont work for the Eagles FO.

Wentz has a cap hit of 4M this year. He "makes" about 17M in real dollars this year.

BigCatMonaco · Jun 13, 2019

Team lowballs initial offer.
Agent counters with over the top demand.
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They meet somewhere in between and everyone’s happy.

Everything seems to be following the normal processes of negotiation.

Wentz as far as we know didn’t have the same back and forth, the team knew it’d be a risk to not extend
Him if he came back healthy and showed out again and he knew if he missed more games this season he was probably decreasing his overall value.

Birdgang · Jun 13, 2019

xwalker said:
Wentz has a cap hit of 4M this year. He "makes" about 17M in real dollars this year.

he makes 4 but if you want to get technical, he is making 70 m this year because he got 66 for writing his name.

America's Cowboy · Jun 13, 2019

Silly said:
yes. everybody knew it was a huge gamble.

Trust me when I say about 80% of all posters on the old officials boards were happy and claiming Romo deserved every penny and more from his second big (franchise record at the time) contract extension in 2011.

Techsass · Jun 13, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
Happy Birthday, Coach!!!! Hope you had a wonderful and blessed birthday... and many more to come!

CHEERS !!!!

Dang I musta skipped by that. Cheers is right. In my family Bdays start the weekend B4 & wind down the weekend after. Gives everybody a chance to get involved.

xwalker · Jun 13, 2019

Birdgang said:
he makes 4 but if you want to get technical, he is making 70 m this year because he got 66 for writing his name.

No, 4M is the cap hit. It has nothing to do with how much he makes this year.

His 2019 base salary is 720K.

His signing bonus was $17.6M.

He will "make" 17.6M + 720K in 2019.

Example
You get a job offer to start on Jan 1, 2020.
The pay is 200K for the first year; however, all 200K will be paid a year later on Jan 1, 2021.

That means you "make" zero from that job in 2020.
If you have bills and don't have savings or other income to cover the bills, then you can't take that job even if it's 500K unless you can get a loan against future earnings.

Little Jr · Jun 13, 2019

Idgit said:
I expected—and expect—Wentz to get more, regardless. I think that’s what most people have expected all along.

I think, or thought, that most thought that at the end of the 2019 season. Assuming he stayed healthy and got back to what he was in 2017. I think him getting it now was a bit of a suprise to a lot and a shock to some like myself. Personally, I only thought wentz would get more because he would sign after Dak. If I knew wentz would sign first, I would expect Dak to at least get equal.

As far as still expecting it, I can't in any scenario see Dak taking less than wentz.

reddyuta · Jun 13, 2019

This FO has been late in extending our own guys and have to pay way more than they would have if they were proactive.

Idgit · Jun 13, 2019

rocyaice said:
I don't think he gets more but I do think he gets at least what Wentz got. We just have to be realistic and take our emotions out of it. Sure I'd love for Dak to sign a 20 million dollar deal a year. My fandom in me wants that. But if I'm being realistic? Why should Dak take less than what Wentz has? His resume is better. He's healthier. He doesn't have his arm....he doesn't have Wentz's measurables.....that's not what you are paying for. You are paying for results. And the results work in Dak's favor.

That’s Dak’s argument. The counter is you’re paying for future production and that Wentz has a higher ceiling and produces at a higher rate per game played.

Neither of those arguments has changed since Wentz signed his deal, though.

Idgit · Jun 13, 2019

Little Jr said:
I think, or thought, that most thought that at the end of the 2019 season. Assuming he stayed healthy and got back to what he was in 2017. I think him getting it now was a bit of a suprise to a lot and a shock to some like myself. Personally, I only thought wentz would get more because he would sign after Dak. If I knew wentz would sign first, I would expect Dak to at least get equal.

As far as still expecting it, I can't in any scenario see Dak taking less than wentz.

We’ll see. I could see it going either way. Dak’s last year of his rookie deal is quite a bit lower than Wentz’ (~$2M) so if they had the same four year extension Dak’s AAV would be lower.

Then again, PHI had the 5th year option leverage on Wentz, so they had him for an extra year at ~$21M.

Still, that differential works in Dallas’ favor.

I think the two guys end up with comparable deals with Dak making less overall because of the last year of his rookie deal bringing the total money down on paper. But either way, I don’t think Wentz signing a few weeks earlier has very much to do with it in the end.

PAPPYDOG · Jun 14, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
Trust me when I say about 80% of all posters on the old officials boards were happy and claiming Romo deserved every penny and more from his second big (franchise record at the time) contract extension in 2011.

Give us a Break bud ...dang....at least Romo had a long ACCURATE great reading passing attack that would GUT you out if you dared to play single press coverage on him......jeez.....when the Colts did it to Dak we scored 0 points.....yes shut out after a zillion years....Now stay on the Dak bus as discounts rates are coming....

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