Report: Dak Prescott counteroffer higher than Carson Wentz deal

baltcowboy · Jun 14, 2019

Chuck 54 said:
The Eagles did not overpay. In most articles I’ve read, Wentz jumped at the offer and took less than he could have gotten. It is structured nicely for the Eagles.

Wentz knows he is an injury risk. Smart move by him. If he was durable like Dak, Wentz would be asking for 35+.

blueblood70 · Jun 14, 2019

PJTHEDOORS said:
Zeke & Cooper too then. They will also want top money.

it all depends on their demands, a lot of this is speculation maybe they all play hard ball but one has to be signed maybe two but the FT and TG can be used on others..yes NE does this but they have better coach and QB taking a discount.. you cant simply overpay at every postion but Zeke maybe RB but hes flat out earned his and yes risky but Coop hasn't played enough and Dak hasn't earned no 34 per...sorry he hasn't ..

Id like to keep them all but if you simply look at production at a given postion Zeke would have been 3 straight years rushing champion if not for the suspension so hes producing at the highest level at his position..

Hawkeye0202 · Jun 14, 2019

csirl said:
Another week and yet another desparate attempt by Daks agent to ask for loads of money. I think the only people talking to Daks agent are the press. Are the Cowboys even responding to calls?

Dak wont even be on the roster in 2020 - the incoming HC will choose his own QB.

+10

csirl · Jun 14, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
+10

Dak 2020 = Steve Pelleur 1989.

Hawkeye0202 · Jun 14, 2019

Bowdown27 said:
I don’t think they jump at 34. It’s a negotiating tactic. Cowboys have said they’re resigning him and want him a cowboy for life. So why not shoot for the money with 34 million per? They’ll work out something lower...

+1

Hadenough · Jun 14, 2019

Play out his contract and let him test the FA market. I suspect he would hear a lot of crickets at anything over 25 mil.

Idgit · Jun 14, 2019

rocyaice said:
That’s subjective. You can’t speak on a players ceiling at 25 or 26. Jay Cutler’s ceiling was higher than anyone’s but that didn’t mean a thing.

Sure it’s subjective. It’ll still play a factor in the discussion. Wentz can physically do things throwing the football hat Dak will never be able to do.

CWR · Jun 14, 2019

Aerolithe_Lion said:
No, that’s what I said when Carson signed first and Dak & Goff’s prices shot up, when it could have been avoided.

Now you better sign him before Goff gets 35 a year or Dak’s gonna start asking for 37.

BELIEVE me, I hate the whole let the market get set strategy. I have to think Dallas isn't stupid enough to take that approach, and this is a case of Dak's agent stalling. Fair point though.

visionary · Jun 14, 2019

Rockport said:
Because if they sign him now, they can spread the contract out over an extra year (this year) and reduce the annual salary cap hit over the life of the contract. They’re not going to franchise him as that will be a huge salary cap hit. There’s a reason they are negotiating now. Since they countered with 34 million I expect a contract announcement soon for around 32 million. Spread out over the life of the contract the annual hit will be much less.

You do understand that the Wentz contract is actually averaging 26 mill/year over next 6 years?

You do understand that is nowhere near 32 mill/year that moronic cowboy fans are stupidly parroting Dak should get?

You do understand the only way Dak is better than Wentz over the next 6 years is if Wentz gets injured?

You do understand that overpaying average players at key positions is the best way to mediocrity (other than having an incompetent GM and HC, which we already have)?

Of course I'm just kidding because I know that you know none of these things and are blissfully happy in your ignorance

Hawkeye0202 · Jun 14, 2019

glimmerman said:
He is wanting SB QB caliber money. No. Maybe next year when the market value is 34. Lol.

He is going to be better this year than last because the team around him is going to be better. Let him play out his rookie deal.

Problem with this IMO, if he's a final four or two playoff QB, you can bet the $34M will be the floor next year. What's crazy is the team would have only advanced one additional round playoff round ( divisional to NFCCG ) but the value will be assigned to Dak and his contract/negotiation. I'm guessing his asking price would easily be $36-37M with an NFCCG under his belt this time next year.
I know the tagging-fans will say just tag him.......then you playing a dangerous game with the most important position on the team. A team built to win now. (Ask the Commanders)

Cowboys22 · Jun 14, 2019

J12B said:
No.

Dak actually deserves to make what Wentz was paid.

He's out produced him in nearly every measurable as a QB, especially the important stats.

Anyone who thinks Dallas will extend Dak for a penny less than what Wentz got is delusional.

Out produced him based off a stellar rookie year that he can’t seem to replicate except in the 4th quarter of a few select games. Dak’s numbers have gone down from his rookie season while Wentz’s numbers have gone up each year. That’s a trend most seem to want to ignore. If Dak was worth anywhere near $30 million a year it would be done already but the team knows he isn’t and is stuck. If you forced Dak into free agency, I think a lot of people would be very surprised by the lack of interest in him from around the league and the lower offers he might get. If he was under the franchise tag and it costs two 1st round picks to sign him, he would get zero interest from the rest of the league. That’s not the guy you make one of the highest paid in the league. That’s the guy you ride until the last minute while developing his replacement at a fraction of the cost.

Hadenough · Jun 14, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
Problem with this IMO, if he's a final four or two playoff QB, you can bet the $34M will be the floor next year. What's crazy is the team would have only advanced one additional round playoff round ( divisional to NFCCG ) but the value will be assigned to Dak and his contract/negotiation. I'm guessing his asking price would easily be $36-37M with an NFCCG under his belt this time next year.
I know the tagging-fans will say just tag him.......then you playing a dangerous game with the most important position on the team. A team built to win now. (Ask the Commanders)

The Commanders actually did the right thing replacing Cousins with a FA QB who was just as good but cost millions less. Why pay 28 mil a year to a guy if they didnt think they could win a SB with him.

Brax · Jun 14, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
That website no longer exists. Been shut down for 3 years now. No way to get your "proof" when the website no longer exists. You'll have to take my word for it.

I will give you a pass this time and take your word.

glimmerman · Jun 14, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
Problem with this IMO, if he's a final four or two playoff QB, you can bet the $34M will be the floor next year. What's crazy is the team would have only advanced one additional round playoff round ( divisional to NFCCG ) but the value will be assigned to Dak and his contract/negotiation. I'm guessing his asking price would easily be $36-37M with an NFCCG under his belt this time next year.
I know the tagging-fans will say just tag him.......then you playing a dangerous game with the most important position on the team. A team built to win now. (Ask the Commanders)

If we advance one more game than last year then 37 will be his floor. And if another starting QB gets a contract it may push it higher. It’s all a game. But I don’t agree with him getting paid like a QB that won a SB. Assuming they will sign him for 32 or 33 million. Meeting in the middle. Maybe throw a bigger signing bonus or guaranteed money.

Idgit · Jun 14, 2019

Cowboys22 said:
Out produced him based off a stellar rookie year that he can’t seem to replicate except in the 4th quarter of a few select games. Dak’s numbers have gone down from his rookie season while Wentz’s numbers have gone up each year. That’s a trend most seem to want to ignore. If Dak was worth anywhere near $30 million a year it would be done already but the team knows he isn’t and is stuck. If you forced Dak into free agency, I think a lot of people would be very surprised by the lack of interest in him from around the league and the lower offers he might get. If he was under the franchise tag and it costs two 1st round picks to sign him, he would get zero interest from the rest of the league. That’s not the guy you make one of the highest paid in the league. That’s the guy you ride until the last minute while developing his replacement at a fraction of the cost.

Outproduced him in total—including Wentz’ supposed “MVP” campaign season in the three year sample. We’re going into year four and Wentz still hasn’t caught him. How bad can Dak be trending down for that to be the case?

GhostOfPelluer · Jun 14, 2019

We need to pay Dak sooner than later. Listen to Michael Irvin on this point. The longer we wait, the more it will cost us. If Dak never improves over his late 2018 level, that's still a borderline top 10 guy. But he will improve because he has the talent and the work ethic to do so. Franchise QBs don't grow on trees. Yes, you can nitpick aspects of his game, but you could have done the same for Brady, Brees, Rodgers, et al after three seasons in the league. You could nitpick Brees and Rodgers now.

By year three of a new deal he won't be in the top 5 in QB salaries by the end of an extension he may not be in the top 10. He would get paid if he hit the open market - more than it would take now. We've been in the QB abyss, we don't need another Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson fiasco.

glimmerman · Jun 14, 2019

GhostOfPelluer said:
We need to pay Dak sooner than later. Listen to Michael Irvin on this point. The longer we wait, the more it will cost us. If Dak never improves over his late 2018 level, that's still a borderline top 10 guy. But he will improve because he has the talent and the work ethic to do so. Franchise QBs don't grow on trees. Yes, you can nitpick aspects of his game, but you could have done the same for Brady, Brees, Rodgers, et al after three seasons in the league. You could nitpick Brees and Rodgers now.

By year three of a new deal he won't be in the top 5 in QB salaries by the end of an extension he may not be in the top 10. He would get paid if he hit the open market - more than it would take now. We've been in the QB abyss, we don't need another Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson fiasco.

Hard to find a starting QB, even harder to find a top 10 QB. Playoffs his rookie year. Helps make the playoffs 2 of his 3 years and only missed playoffs by one game in 2017. Helped win the division 2 of 3 years. I have a hard time paying him the same money that a SB winning QB gets though.

Proof · Jun 14, 2019

Techsass said:
Well within the last couple of weeks, we've gone from $22~25m up to accepting $30~32m as a fanbase.

Wild stuff. I hate the NFL :muttley:

GhostOfPelluer · Jun 14, 2019

glimmerman said:
Hard to find a starting QB, even harder to find a top 10 QB. Playoffs his rookie year. Helps make the playoffs 2 of his 3 years and only missed playoffs by one game in 2017. Helped win the division 2 of 3 years. I have a hard time paying him the same money that a SB winning QB gets though.

I understand that logic, but he'll make more than Brady regardless. He shouldn't make more than Wilson or Ben at this point and I think Jerry can make that argument stick for now but not for long. As non-SB winners push that salary up (even past guys like Brees and Rodgers and Ben), Dak gets to be in that discussion. The one non-SB winner that will reset the whole dang thing is Pat Mahomes - and that's probably coming next off-season.

GhostOfPelluer · Jun 14, 2019

csirl said:
Dak 2020 = Steve Pelleur 1989.

I couldn't hold Dak's jock

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