Report: Dak Prescott counteroffer higher than Carson Wentz deal

Denim Chicken · Jun 14, 2019

Reid1boys said:
my bad, I was thinking Wentz, but lets not kid oursleves on the team Dak was drafted to... well you can if you think it makes some point. Face the facts, Dak was probably put in the best position in the history of the NFL for a rookie qb. Do you disagree? Name me another rookie qb who started in week 1 that was in a better psoition than Dak was. Go ahead, Ill wait.

I wish this narrative would go away.

Average WRs
TE on the tail end of his career
An OC that everyone on this forum hates

yeah, best situation ever

Reid1boys · Jun 14, 2019

OmerV said:
So, the Cowboys weren’t really what their record showed, but the Eagles were. In other words, you apply different standards to different teams as it suits you.

and by the way... my philosophy has been pretty consistent. Look at 32 NFL teams and place them in a statistical beel shaped curve. Most teams fit nicely in that curve for 52 of their players. All are fairly comparable, and then the outlier that shift them in one direction or the other is the qb position. Its that simple. You can look at year after year of data that shows when the star qb goes down, the team tumbles into nediocrity, or worse..... all with the status of ONE player. Those are just FACTS and while there are case throughout history where a back up cam ein a had a good go at it (2 back ups I know of won SB titles) but those cases are far and few in between. Our season will go as Dak goes..... im talking SB aspirations, not just winning the NFCE title.

Reid1boys · Jun 14, 2019

Denim Chicken said:
I wish this narrative would go away.

Average WRs
TE on the tail end of his career
An OC that everyone on this forum hates

yeah, best situation ever

avg WRs... yep, they got avg real quick, with Daks arrival. IM out

Roadtrip635 · Jun 14, 2019

MyUserName said:
Another thing he should consider (if it matters to him) ...think of how many fans who are either anti-Dak or on the fence about him that he could win over by publicly stating he's open to giving the team a discount on his extension.

A beloved QB...especially one on an internationally fan-favorite team...will deposit lots of sponsorship/marketing $$$ in their bank.

Only fans think that way. To the players it's about security and the guaranteed money, especially on that first chance at a big deal. That endorsement money only comes in if you're playing, a career threatening injury stops all that. Fans aren't going to pay the bills, they'll just move on to the replacement guy and buy his jerseys. Fans are fickle that way. The only players that can think that way are ones that already have their legacy in place and already secure financially, not players in year 4 or 5 of their careers.

OmerV · Jun 14, 2019

Reid1boys said:
my bad, I was thinking Wentz, but lets not kid oursleves on the team Dak was drafted to... well you can if you think it makes some point. Face the facts, Dak was probably put in the best position in the history of the NFL for a rookie qb. Do you disagree? Name me another rookie qb who started in week 1 that was in a better psoition than Dak was. Go ahead, Ill wait.

I’m not sure stepping into a team that was 4-12 the year before and starting off with one of the top 2 receivers injured and unable to play in preseason and hobbled to start the season, and the other aging and declining was the best situation in the history of the NFL .....

But if you want to know who had it better, I immediately thought of Big Ben who stepped in with an the help of an elite O-Line, a RB tandem of Jerome Bettis and Duce Staley, Hines Ward and Plaxico Burris’s at WR .... AND the best defense in the NFL. I’m sure I could come up with more.

Denim Chicken · Jun 14, 2019

Reid1boys said:
avg WRs... yep, they got avg real quick, with Daks arrival. IM out

OK, who are Terrence Williams and Dez playing for this year?

glimmerman · Jun 14, 2019

STOP
TALKING
ABOUT
2015..

It never happened.

OmerV · Jun 14, 2019

Reid1boys said:
Were the Eagles a legit SB contender just before they were drafted? get real.. the Cowboys were 4-12 dur to losing the starting qb and having maybe the worst QB position the team had since the days of Babe Laufenburgh... but you rationalize things how you want to fit your sceneario.

If you are talking about 2014, the Eagles were 10-6 that year even with Mark Sanchez starting 8 games at QB, so yeah, they had a lot of talent like the Cowboys did in 2014.

Roadtrip635 · Jun 14, 2019

Reid1boys said:
and by the way... my philosophy has been pretty consistent. Look at 32 NFL teams and place them in a statistical beel shaped curve. Most teams fit nicely in that curve for 52 of their players. All are fairly comparable, and then the outlier that shift them in one direction or the other is the qb position. Its that simple. You can look at year after year of data that shows when the star qb goes down, the team tumbles into nediocrity, or worse..... all with the status of ONE player. Those are just FACTS and while there are case throughout history where a back up cam ein a had a good go at it (2 back ups I know of won SB titles) but those cases are far and few in between. Our season will go as Dak goes..... im talking SB aspirations, not just winning the NFCE title.

10 back up QBs have won a Super Bowl

CouchCoach · Jun 14, 2019

Look at this contract for only the guarantee, remember Aikman's 100M contract? And look at this contract not for 2019 but for 2022 and use that for comparison. These agents are all trying to project the salaries for each position, along with the cap growth, and factor that into the deals they're striking today.

And if you want to feel even better about this, factor in his salary from 2016-2018 as the most affordable and effective QB since Brady was a rookie. Divide those years into the guarantee as well because he's been the best bargain player in the NFL for 3 years.

egn22 · Jun 14, 2019

Front office needs to be blamed for not getting the deal done sooner. That’s all. Dak is worth every penny he’s about to get

MyUserName · Jun 14, 2019

Roadtrip635 said:
Only fans think that way. To the players it's about security and the guaranteed money, especially on that first chance at a big deal. That endorsement money only comes in if you're playing, a career threatening injury stops all that. Fans aren't going to pay the bills, they'll just move on to the replacement guy and buy his jerseys. Fans are fickle that way. The only players that can think that way are ones that already have their legacy in place and already secure financially, not players in year 4 or 5 of their careers.

IDK, I can see your point...but this game wouldn't be as lucrative for any of them without the fans.

Putting it mildly, the guy hasn't done squat up til now, yet he wants Top-5 QB $$$ ...why, well, 'because.

Maybe he should go out and win a ring or at least put up Top-5 QB #s before acting entitled to that $$$.

Fans will remember a "team first" guy...which would pay immense dividends down the road for his legacy.

Also, it's not like he still won't get $25M-$35M guaranteed even on a team-friendly contract.

That right there (even after tax and agent fees) is enough for him, his immediate family and very close friends to live off of for the next 50+ years.

Why go the extra selfish mile for another $15M-$20M guaranteed when he hasn't earned it, and it will hamstring his team keeping them from putting the best possible teammates around him in order to win titles?

OmerV · Jun 14, 2019

MyUserName said:
IDK, I can see your point...but this game wouldn't be as lucrative for any of them without the fans.

Putting it mildly, the guy hasn't done squat up til now, yet he wants Top-5 QB $$$ ...why, well, 'because.

Maybe he should go out and win a ring or at least put up Top-5 QB #s before acting entitled to that $$$.

Fans will remember a "team first" guy...which would pay immense dividends down the road for his legacy.

Also, it's not like he still won't get $25M-$35M guaranteed even on a team-friendly contract.

That right there (even after tax and agent fees) is enough for him, his immediate family and very close friends to live off of for the next 50+ years.

Why go the extra selfish mile for another $15M-$20M guaranteed when he hasn't earned it, and it will hamstring his team keeping them from putting the best possible teammates around him in order to win titles?

i don’t think he is worried about being a top 5 paid QB, I think he is worried about being paid in line with the current market. That may make him top 5 in terms of pay, but the pay isn’t based on how QBs are ranked, it’s based on market conditions at the time the contract is being negotiated.

glimmerman · Jun 14, 2019

MyUserName said:
IDK, I can see your point...but this game wouldn't be as lucrative for any of them without the fans.

Putting it mildly, the guy hasn't done squat up til now, yet he wants Top-5 QB $$$ ...why, well, 'because.

Maybe he should go out and win a ring or at least put up Top-5 QB #s before acting entitled to that $$$.

Fans will remember a "team first" guy...which would pay immense dividends down the road for his legacy.

Also, it's not like he still won't get $25M-$35M guaranteed even on a team-friendly contract.

That right there (even after tax and agent fees) is enough for him, his immediate family and very close friends to live off of for the next 50+ years.

Why go the extra selfish mile for another $15M-$20M guaranteed when he hasn't earned it, and it will hamstring his team keeping them from putting the best possible teammates around him in order to win titles?

It’s there agent. They let them take over and they go after every penny. There agent makes 3%. I did hear that Dak is being a part of it. So we will see what happens. They want 34 knowing it’s not happening. I want to see what the final numbers end up being. 32 like wentz.

MyUserName · Jun 14, 2019

OmerV said:
i don’t think he is worried about being a top 5 paid QB, I think he is worried about being paid in line with the current market. That may make him top 5 in terms of pay, but the pay isn’t based on how QBs are ranked, it’s based on market conditions at the time the contract is being negotiated.

Just another way of saying it in my book.

Don't care if Philly wants to over-pay a injury prone guy big bucks, that should have little impact on how Dak get's paid.

As mentioned above, agents are the culprit.

Dak needs to step up at some point and say "I'm tired of having to settle for Campbell's Chunky Soup money...I want fair, guaranteed $$ from my team. An amount that won't stick me with a team of B-grade talent to work with.

Otherwise, let's hope the Jones boys simply franchise him into the ground or go find another unspectacular guy to run the offense around.

CouchCoach · Jun 14, 2019

MyUserName said:
IDK, I can see your point...but this game wouldn't be as lucrative for any of them without the fans.

Putting it mildly, the guy hasn't done squat up til now, yet he wants Top-5 QB $$$ ...why, well, 'because.

Maybe he should go out and win a ring or at least put up Top-5 QB #s before acting entitled to that $$$.

Fans will remember a "team first" guy...which would pay immense dividends down the road for his legacy.

Also, it's not like he still won't get $25M-$35M guaranteed even on a team-friendly contract.

That right there (even after tax and agent fees) is enough for him, his immediate family and very close friends to live off of for the next 50+ years.

Why go the extra selfish mile for another $15M-$20M guaranteed when he hasn't earned it, and it will hamstring his team keeping them from putting the best possible teammates around him in order to win titles?

That's the NFL way for every player, not just him. They're all selfish and about the money, like none of us would be?

No one cares about "team first" guys, it's get what you can when you can. It's just the way pro sports are, not just the NFL.

His legacy will be just what every QB's is, how many rings did he get?

I am not arguing against the gist of your post, it's just not what the game is about. Every player is looking out for #1 and to hell with the team.

dogunwo · Jun 14, 2019

MyUserName said:
How many guys out there would love to take his spot for half his asking price?

There are absolutely no starting level QBs in the NFL that would gladly take half the asking price just to play for the Cowboys. You are looking at it and applying your own sensibilities which is ridiculous and not realistic.

MyUserName · Jun 14, 2019

CouchCoach said:
I am not arguing against the gist of your post, it's just not what the game is about. Every player is looking out for #1 and to hell with the team.

Shouldn't a QB...(aka team leader)...be a bit different from other players.

Example, an OL or LB. Those guys who typically are paid less, and who's careers get cut short at a higher rate.

Let's face it, the league is already on a slow death march due to the CTE ...it's popularity among youth is decreasing.

The "me first" attitude may be justified, but it isn't doing them any favors with fans.

Once fans realize that players don't actually care about winning, the death march will increase to a sprint.

MyUserName · Jun 14, 2019

dogunwo said:
There are absolutely no starting level QBs in the NFL that would gladly take half the asking price just to play for the Cowboys. You are looking at it and applying your own sensibilities which is ridiculous and not realistic.

Not every starting QB should be starting...not every starting QB is equal...not every team you play for is equal.

Based on his performance thru now, the 'boys can draft another Dak in 2020 with absolutely no problem...or even find one on the FA market.

Prove me wrong.

GimmeTheBall! · Jun 14, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
The Dallas Cowboys knew this was coming.

When they finally approached Dak Prescott to broach the topic of his seemingly inevitable contract extension, they did so with an initial offer in hand. While it's unknown what their first offer was, what's known is that it was met with a counteroffer from Prescott and CAA, his representation. That counteroffer was made in late May, nearly a month after Russell Wilson became the highest-paid player in NFL history with a four-year, $140 million extension from the Seattle Seahawks that includes $107 million guaranteed money.

It, however, also happened around three weeks prior to the Philadelphia Eagles giving Carson Wentz a four-year, $128 million extension that itself includes $107 million in guarantees. It was a foregone conclusion Prescott wouldn't best Wilson's figures, which made that the ceiling — but Wentz just set a floor that carries a $32 million annual average salary (AAS) over the course of his true extension.

With that in tow, Prescott and CAA have reportedly lobbed an offer to the Cowboys that would put the former Rookie of the Year at an AAS of $34 million, according to Clarence Hill, Jr. of Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

Of course, this is all a part of the negotiation process, wherein the club goes low and the player goes high, with the ultimate goal of both sides eventually meeting in the middle. The reality remains Prescott will likely land a deal worth more than $30 million per year, and even that's a tough sell now, thanks to Wentz.

By Patrik Walker
https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/Article/Cowboys-Dak-Prescott-counteroffer-higher-than-Carson-Wentz-deal-132849152/?utm_source=247Sports Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=190613_183642_Dallas Cowboys&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=CA-89-18-08-4C-B7-7F-4E-28-9D-98-DD-5E-CE-44-EC190613_183642DallasCowboys

Yay! Let's mortgage our future for the next 5 years.
Cause, clearly, we cant live without Dak, the GOAT.

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