Report: Dak Prescott counteroffer higher than Carson Wentz deal

MyUserName said:

Just another way of saying it in my book.

Don't care if Philly wants to over-pay a injury prone guy big bucks, that should have little impact on how Dak get's paid.

As mentioned above, agents are the culprit.

Dak needs to step up at some point and say "I'm tired of having to settle for Campbell's Chunky Soup money...I want fair, guaranteed $$ from my team. An amount that won't stick me with a team of B-grade talent to work with.

Otherwise, let's hope the Jones boys simply franchise him into the ground or go find another unspectacular guy to run the offense around.

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No it’s not the same because you are looking at it as if QBs should be paid accordingly to how they are ranked, and that’s not how it works because they don’t all sign contracts in the same year under the same market conditions.

Would you sell your house for less than the real estate market says you can get for it because a better house than yours sold for less a few years earlier when market conditions were different? Of course not, you would sell your house for what you can get under current market conditions. That doesn’t mean you have a better house than the guy who sold a few years ago, or that you are being greedy, it just means you are taking advantage of the market as it exists today.

CouchCoach said:

That's the NFL way for every player, not just him. They're all selfish and about the money, like none of us would be?

No one cares about "team first" guys, it's get what you can when you can. It's just the way pro sports are, not just the NFL.

His legacy will be just what every QB's is, how many rings did he get?

I am not arguing against the gist of your post, it's just not what the game is about. Every player is looking out for #1 and to hell with the team.

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Not just the NFL. Most or a lot of people have the same philosophy in life.

If it was me I would want a big signing bonus. 30 million up front. 42% is gone to taxes and agent fee. If he lives in Texas then no state tax. Put 7 million in a 5% annuity and your already getting paid 350k for however long you want. Buy your house and get set up. After that it’s all gravy. Every years wages is just stacking it up. Guess I am a old guy and think different.

Heck you could do all the above and still have a few million to play with. And all that soup and yogurt money. I wonder if he gets free chunky soup and dannon yogurt for life. That stuff is delicious.

MyUserName said:

Not every starting QB should be starting...not every starting QB is equal...not every team you play for is equal.

Based on his performance thru now, the 'boys can draft another Dak in 2020 with absolutely no problem...or even find one on the FA market.

Prove me wrong.

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That's not how this works. You make ridiculous statement. YOU provide evidence that its correct. Which starting QB in the NFL would take 17 million a year just to play for the Cowboys?

MyUserName said:

Shouldn't a QB...(aka team leader)...be a bit different from other players.

Example, an OL or LB. Those guys who typically are paid less, and who's careers get cut short at a higher rate.

Let's face it, the league is already on a slow death march due to the CTE ...it's popularity among youth is decreasing.

The "me first" attitude may be justified, but it isn't doing them any favors with fans.

Once fans realize that players don't actually care about winning, the death march will increase to a sprint.

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They don't care about the fans, they care about how much money they can make and the QB is the worst of the lot. They care about leading in the game check department.

It's not just football, it is every sport that pays athletes.

MyUserName said:

IDK, I can see your point...but this game wouldn't be as lucrative for any of them without the fans.

Putting it mildly, the guy hasn't done squat up til now, yet he wants Top-5 QB $$$ ...why, well, 'because.

Maybe he should go out and win a ring or at least put up Top-5 QB #s before acting entitled to that $$$.

Fans will remember a "team first" guy...which would pay immense dividends down the road for his legacy.

Also, it's not like he still won't get $25M-$35M guaranteed even on a team-friendly contract.

That right there (even after tax and agent fees) is enough for him, his immediate family and very close friends to live off of for the next 50+ years.

Why go the extra selfish mile for another $15M-$20M guaranteed when he hasn't earned it, and it will hamstring his team keeping them from putting the best possible teammates around him in order to win titles?

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It's never worked like that. Dak hasn't done squat? Garropola and Cousins weren't elite QBs when they signed their deals last season. Carr wasn't elite when he signed his deal the year before. What did any of them win? When did most other QBs "earn" their salaries? Or any QB that hasn't already won a Super Bowl that will sign a bigger deal after this season? It's more about the timing of when deals are done and really the only comparisons are to other QBs that sign in the same year. Fans seem to think that QB deals are somehow re-negotiated every year for every QB and slotted accordingly. If every QB were to sign a new deal this season, Dak wouldn't be paid in the top 5, but that's not how NFL contracts work. As long as the cap continues to rise, so will salaries, for all positions.

Fans will remember what they want to remember. Brady didn't take big discounts early in his career, neither did Brees who actually signed for an NFL record guarantee at the time, but they are being praised now for taking less. They can do that because they are set financially and have a legacy, regardless of what happens next, that earning potential will continue throughout their lifetimes. A player with only a few seasons doesn't have that. Fans that dislike Dak already aren't suddenly going to like him, because he took $15 million less in guaranteed money. Dak isn't threatening to sit out a season or delay getting a needed surgery, or even sitting out of OTAs, minicamps etc in attempt to strongarm the team.

Signing Dak isn't going to greatly affect our ability to sign our other players because all the other players want to get paid too. That pipe dream only works if all the players do that, and that's not going to happen. If Dak signed for $30/yr instead of $32/yr, that $2 million difference isn't the reason we could resign Zeke, Coop, Byron etc. Teams don't suddenly get bad because they"hamstrung" themselves by a QB contract. Other players want to get paid too, if they don't they leave in FA. Teams go south when other players start to leave to get theirs, retirements, age, or to injuries, or those other players aren't having career years, coaching changes, poor drafts etc.

CouchCoach said:

They don't care about the fans, they care about how much money they can make and the QB is the worst of the lot. They care about leading in the game check department.

It's not just football, it is every sport that pays athletes.

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Rightfully so. They put their bodies through the ringer so couch potatoes can enjoy their Sunday’s....they ask for what they are worth while billionaires make billions and fans question the players morals and not the owners who will cut these guys soo as they get a paper cut.

dogunwo said:

There are absolutely no starting level QBs in the NFL that would gladly take half the asking price just to play for the Cowboys. You are looking at it and applying your own sensibilities which is ridiculous and not realistic.

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One, in NE but he only did that because he had to if he wanted to stay with that team.

rocyaice said:

Rightfully so. They put their bodies through the ringer so couch potatoes can enjoy their Sunday’s....they ask for what they are worth while billionaires make billions and fans question the players morals and not the owners who will cut these guys soo as they get a paper cut.

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You calling me a couch potato.. Lol. I get it and also never have sympathy for them when they end up broke because they blew there money or made bad investments. They have hundreds of millions passing around. To them a million is like a few thousand to most of us.

Let's see the ones that would take less than the most they can get. Uh-huh, just what I thought. Only one Mother Teresa and she didn't play QB in the NFL.

Pro sports has always been about the money but when the money got big, it became all about bigger money. When was the last time you watched an NFL pregame or broadcast that money wasn't brought up repeatedly? It has become intertwined with the sport and is now inseparable.

CouchCoach said:

One, in NE but he only did that because he had to if he wanted to stay with that team.

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But he wouldn't have if it wasn't for his wife's income. Its easy to make that stance and have people idolize you for it when you can afford to do so.

“My wife makes a lot of money,” he said of his supermodel spouse, Gisele Bundchen, who has a net worth of over $300 million.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/03/tom-brady-takes-less-money/

glimmerman said:

You calling me a couch potato.. Lol. I get it and also never have sympathy for them when they end up broke because they blew there money or made bad investments. They have hundreds of millions passing around. To them a million is like a few thousand to most of us.

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It's a thousand thousand to me.

Not sure how many of you were here right after the installation of the salary cap. We were in cap hell and it was miserable! Paying one player $ 35 mil a year makes it very tough to afford the other players, who all want to get "their big payday." There's only so much money to go around. Many here ***** and moan when we don't hire the latest and greatest big-name free agent. It's because of these upcoming contracts- Dak, Eze, Coop and about 1/4 of the D. We can't pay everyone as though they're the best in the league, even if they are!

dogunwo said:

But he wouldn't have if it wasn't for his wife's income. Its easy to make that stance and have people idolize you for it when you can afford to do so.

“My wife makes a lot of money,” he said of his supermodel spouse, Gisele Bundchen, who has a net worth of over $300 million.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/03/tom-brady-takes-less-money/

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That is a smokescreen. If he hadn't made a Belichick friendly deal, he would have been traded because back then, he wasn't going to allocate that kind of money to a QB and when his deal was done, 15M wasn't a huge cut, now it is half. Kraft wanted to keep him but he also wanted to keep Belichick so he had to get Brady to strike a deal and it would not surprise me if there is some kind of backdoor deal to all of this. When he retires, he steps into an Elway type role and Kraft makes up the difference to him.

dogunwo said:

But he wouldn't have if it wasn't for his wife's income. Its easy to make that stance and have people idolize you for it when you can afford to do so.

“My wife makes a lot of money,” he said of his supermodel spouse, Gisele Bundchen, who has a net worth of over $300 million.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/03/tom-brady-takes-less-money/

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He even taking discounts has made over 200 million. And he was getting paid when the contracts weren’t this big. He is balling all by himself. Just so happens his wife has more money. I think he also has a contract with Aston Martin. So yeah he likey gets free cars also. He has to be the devil.. lol

ChuckA1 said:

Not sure how many of you were here right after the installation of the salary cap. We were in cap hell and it was miserable! Paying one player $ 35 mil a year makes it very tough to afford the other players, who all want to get "their big payday." There's only so much money to go around. Many here ***** and moan when we don't hire the latest and greatest big-name free agent. It's because of these upcoming contracts- Dak, Eze, Coop and about 1/4 of the D. We can't pay everyone as though they're the best in the league, even if they are!

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That is why to me saving a few million a year is important. Every million counts. Those few millions a year can help pay the next player. But when one gets a bigger contract than maybe they should then it snowballs through the locker room and team.

MyUserName said:

Not every starting QB should be starting...not every starting QB is equal...not every team you play for is equal.

Based on his performance thru now, the 'boys can draft another Dak in 2020 with absolutely no problem...or even find one on the FA market.

Prove me wrong.

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Try asking most of the other NFL teams how long it's taken them to find a QB as good as even Dak is. The Browns have been looking for a QB since Kosar. The Dolphins since Marino. The Bills since Kelly, The 49ers since Young. The Texans...ever? The Jags? The Chiefs had a couple years with Smith, but before that, who? You aren't going to find a better QB in FA, it will be the Fitz, Keenums and Tyrods as the "best" choices and those guys aren't equal or an improvement.

Please Lord, let the Cowboys get Dak, Cooper, Zeke, Jones and Smith signed so then the threads will only be about how we played, are playing, good or bad. Far to many threads about zero fans control about in signings, or who we sign or how much we sign them for or how much they got or are they worth it , etc., etc.

Roadtrip635 said:

10 back up QBs have won a Super Bowl

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go down that list.... and go ahead and list Kurt Warner as a back up and lose any credibility you think you have. Warner started every game that season and is in the HOF.....so besides Foles and Hostetttler, go ahead and list all those back ups, and im not talking back up quality in your mind because Trent Dilfer was not a back up, nor was Doug Williams or Mark Rypien. So go ahead and give me your list.

CouchCoach said:

That is a smokescreen. If he hadn't made a Belichick friendly deal, he would have been traded because back then, he wasn't going to allocate that kind of money to a QB and when his deal was done, 15M wasn't a huge cut, now it is half. Kraft wanted to keep him but he also wanted to keep Belichick so he had to get Brady to strike a deal and it would not surprise me if there is some kind of backdoor deal to all of this. When he retires, he steps into an Elway type role and Kraft makes up the difference to him.

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I know it don’t count against the salary cap but he wanted brady to take a smaller deal but bill is the highest paid HC in the league. He made 12.5 last year while his starting QB got 15...

Sandyf said:

Please Lord, let the Cowboys get Dak, Cooper, Zeke, Jones and Smith signed so then the threads will only be about how we played, are playing, good or bad. Far to many threads about zero fans control about in signings, or who we sign or how much we sign them for or how much they got or are they worth it , etc., etc.

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yeah... start threads about Daks great pratices, or how awesom the new coaching staff is doing in film study session, or tell us about how competitive the practices have been during OTAs, or better yet, start some threads on our new athletic training staff and how awesome they have been this off season.

smh, until training camp starts and game starts, wth you expect people to talk about?