Report: Dak Prescott counteroffer higher than Carson Wentz deal

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What superior numbers?

I've already posted them, unless you think an 86.6 QB rating is better than a 101.9 or a 96.9 is better than a 102.2. We can get into the individual stats that are used to produce those ratings (many of which are also superior to Dak's, which is why Wentz's rating is higher). We can even debate the worth of QB rating (although ESPN's QBR has Wentz at 78.5 in 2017 and 64.3 in 2018 and Prescott at 69.9 and 57.4.)

We can also get into how Dak's running ability figures in, but we can't deny that those ratings the past two years are better for Wentz. No one here is making them up or using a formula that skews it. The same ratings are used for all the quarterbacks, and by them, Prescott falls short of Wentz's marks.

You can move the goalposts if you'd like, but it doesn't change the fact is Wentz has been superior to Dak in these areas.
 

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wow ...

Big Ben salary (After Two Superbowl wins) = 26 million / year , 67 million guaranteed .

Dak wants 33 million / year , and who knows how much guaranteed .

LMAO.
You should be LMAO at Wince's new contract, along with Garoppolo, Cousins, Carr, Smith and a few others.
 

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I've already posted them, unless you think an 86.6 QB rating is better than a 101.9 or a 96.9 is better than a 102.2. We can get into the individual stats that are used to produce those ratings (many of which are also superior to Dak's, which is why Wentz's rating is higher). We can even debate the worth of QB rating (although ESPN's QBR has Wentz at 78.5 in 2017 and 64.3 in 2018 and Prescott at 69.9 and 57.4.)

We can also get into how Dak's running ability figures in, but we can't deny that those ratings the past two years are better for Wentz. No one here is making them up or using a formula that skews it. The same ratings are used for all the quarterbacks, and by them, Prescott falls short of Wentz's marks.

You can move the goalposts if you'd like, but it doesn't change the fact is Wentz has been superior to Dak in these areas.
Lol. This is hilarious.

How are Wince's stats and ratings in the playoffs? Oooh, he's never played in them! LMAO

Look at Dak's playoff stats and ratings. BOOM!!!!
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If I’m paying 34 mill I need a QB to be able to head and shoulders be the best player on the team...

The team withered without zeke for those 6 games...

Last year the offense was terrible until they sold the farm and traded a 1st to get a now very expensive soon to be #1 WR to make the QB better....

30 mill is my ceiling right now for Dak.... if he baulks I say win me the super bowl or take me to the NFCCG
 

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wow ...

Big Ben salary (After Two Superbowl wins) = 26 million / year , 67 million guaranteed .

Dak wants 33 million / year , and who knows how much guaranteed .

LMAO.

May wanna check your numbers.......off a bit

Current Contract


Ben Roethlisberger signed a 2 year, $68,000,000 contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers, including a $37,500,000 signing bonus, $37,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $34,000,000. In 2019, Roethlisberger will earn a base salary of $2,500,000, a signing bonus of $37,500,000 and a roster bonus of $5,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $26,200,000 and a dead cap value of $43,700,000.

CONTRACT TERMS:2 yr(s) / $68,000,000 SIGNING BONUS$37,500,000 AVERAGE SALARY$34,000,000 GTD AT SIGN:$37,500,000 TOTAL GTD:$37,500,000 FREE AGENT:
 

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I've already posted them, unless you think an 86.6 QB rating is better than a 101.9 or a 96.9 is better than a 102.2. We can get into the individual stats that are used to produce those ratings (many of which are also superior to Dak's, which is why Wentz's rating is higher). We can even debate the worth of QB rating (although ESPN's QBR has Wentz at 78.5 in 2017 and 64.3 in 2018 and Prescott at 69.9 and 57.4.)

We can also get into how Dak's running ability figures in, but we can't deny that those ratings the past two years are better for Wentz. No one here is making them up or using a formula that skews it. The same ratings are used for all the quarterbacks, and by them, Prescott falls short of Wentz's marks.

You can move the goalposts if you'd like, but it doesn't change the fact is Wentz has been superior to Dak in these areas.
How about Dak’s .647 winning percentage (including playoffs) against Wentz’s .575. Wentz is a loser compared to Dak.
 

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Anything above 30 is insanity. How do you pay that kind of money to a QB who doesnt work without Elite players around him? Elite players have to get paid too, and everyone knows Cooper isnt going to accept a team friendly deal.
 

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Just because some of them went on to have great careers didn't mean they weren't a backup at some point, they weren't HOFers then. Morrall came in off the bench during a Superbowl, when Unitas was injured and won the game. He took over for the Dolphins as starter in week 6 after Griese was injured. He didn't start that Super Bowl, but he helped save their season to get them there. He also became the Colts starter when Johnny U. was lost for the season, during a pre-season game. He wasn't meant to be the starter that season, but still lead the team to a Super Bowl, but lost to the Jets.

Brady only got a shot because Bledsoe got injured. He might have not even been given a chance to compete for the job since Bledsoe had just signed an NFL record 10 year contract. If not for that injury it's a guess when Brady would have gotten a shot as a starter.
Plunkett was a journeyman QB in his 30's and riding the bench. He was only given another chance to start when Pastorini broke his leg and they didn't think Marc Wilson was experienced enough to start.
Roger was a backup because Landry didn't trust him enough and Morton had just taken the team to a Super Bowl and one of the best passers in the league.
Warner had played in NFL Europe, the Arena League, left unprotected in the Expansion draft, he wasn't even given a chance to compete for the starting QB job. Trent Green had just signed a brand new contract too and if not for the injury we'll never know when/if Warner would have even been given a shot.

Some of them ended up being better than the guys they replaced, but they were still backups to someone else when they took those teams to a Super Bowl in their respective years. It was fortunate they had quality depth. Some of those guys were expected or teams hoped they would eventually become starters, but some were fortunate accidents.

Young wouldn't count since he didn't win a Super Bowl as Montana's backup. Young has 3 rings, but only "won" one of them, Montana won his other two.
good post, it also shows how luck can play a big part in some players careers, and you could include Romo in that mix, I know no
SB, but he made what 100 mil and wound up with the top job in sports announcing.

I will say most of those guys were going to be good bkups, much better than what Dallas has.
Imagine having Montana as starter and young as the bkup ! lol that is a good situation.
 

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Let Dak play and be average so you can then negotiate rationally.

Don’t sign him before the games start.

People are getting delusional about his quality and it’s because he hasn’t played in months.

He’s never thrown for 30 TDs. This has gotten silly.
 

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Didn’t mahomes stink it up in the playoffs last season. I could be wrong I will have to look at his stats. If his play don’t continue to be better them mahomes may not be getting as much as some think.
No. Mahomes was the truth, even in the playoffs. I watched every game he played last season. He’s legit. The only reason the Chiefs didn’t win the title is because that secondary was historically bad
 

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good post, it also shows how luck can play a big part in some players careers, and you could include Romo in that mix, I know no
SB, but he made what 100 mil and wound up with the top job in sports announcing.

I will say most of those guys were going to be good bkups, much better than what Dallas has.
Imagine having Montana as starter and young as the bkup ! lol that is a good situation.
It's funny how luck and timing could change things. Bledsoe had just signed, a then record 10 year, $104 million contract. There was no way in Hades a 6th rd pick was going to even sniff a chance at "competeing" for the starter's job. If Bledsoe doesn't get injured, maybe he's the one that leads them to a Super Bowl or at least a deep playoff run, that 6th rd pick isn't going to get a serious look the next off season either. Maybe that 6th rd pick flashes during garbage time or in preseason, but he wouldn't have gotten any real playing time. If he flashes some potential, maybe they even trade him, sounds like a good deal. Trade a 6th rd prospect that flashed some ability during preseason for a 4th rd draft pick, heck maybe even a 3rd rd pick, sounds like a nifty profit.....lol

How would Brady's career have looked if it was him that ended up being traded to the Bills instead of Bledsoe?
 

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Anything above 30 is insanity. How do you pay that kind of money to a QB who doesnt work without Elite players around him? Elite players have to get paid too, and everyone knows Cooper isnt going to accept a team friendly deal.
Just like Wentz has worked with a Super Bowl caliber team around him? Yet, he just got a $32+ million/year new deal. The same Wentz who has yet to play in a playoff game. But Dak who has led the team to two playoff births, 3 winning seasons all in a row, two NFC East Division crowns, a playoff win and both playoff divisional round games within a score of reaching the NFC Conference Championship Game with a lesser group of players doesn't deserve more than $30 mil/season?

Something doesn't sound right here.
 

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Let Dak play and be average so you can then negotiate rationally.

Don’t sign him before the games start.

People are getting delusional about his quality and it’s because he hasn’t played in months.

He’s never thrown for 30 TDs. This has gotten silly.
Is that all you've got?
 

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You can move the goalposts if you'd like, but it doesn't change the fact is Wentz has been superior to Dak in these areas.

There’s two great pieces this week in The Athletic by Bob Sturm comparing the two quarterbacks and absolutely worth a read.

No one is moving the goal posts. Dak is in almost every category, every way, tangibles and intangibles, the better quarterback.

If you want to play the game of ignoring their rookie years, then do it fairly - look at the last 8 games for both quarterbacks. Dak had
207 of 289 (71.6%), 2,225 yards, 12 TDs-to- 3 INTs, 28 sacks, 103.4 QB rating.

Look at the game winning drives. Watch Wentz last year in the Eagles’ game against Carolina. Would Dak miss the wide open receiver and choke to lose the game for his team like Wentz did?

You mentioned Dak’s rushing touchdowns, how about his career yards per completion, which is 10% higher than Wentz? That dispels the myth of Dak being a dink and dunk passer.

Wentz has a stronger arm. OK, so what? If that was the key indicator, Jeff George would be in the Hall of Fame.

The only argument IMHO that gives me pause when debating with Eagles’ fans is the surrounding cast argument. Dak clearly has benefitted from having a great offensive line for most of his career and Zeke in the backfield. His numbers are far worse without T.Smith and/or Zeke.
 

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Tag him, pay that amount, then try to get him injured in preseason. Brilliant strategy. :muttley:

And for the love of all things can we declare a moratorium on the Brady comparisons? Tom Brady is married to one of the richest women on the planet. Stop acting like he made some sacrifice for his team. It's nonsense. He did it for himself, and will suffer no financial consequences because of his wife's wealth.
First off, you got the order of what I said wrong. I said , tag when you have to which is another year or more. Secondly, Tom Brady could get a divorce at any moment. Thirdly, giving up 12 to 15 million is a sacrifice to anyone, fourthly, that is a consequence of significance in the short run, but my point was Tom Brady would come out ahead in the long run, do it point Is moot. 5th, Tom Brady has been hugely successful by doing this, so you might not care to hear about Tommy Boy, bit what he's doing is brilliant, and non of the other qbs are doing this, so who's making the sacrifice and who isn't and who's the smart one and who's the short term , druggy, sacrifice tomorrow or team success for immediate gratification. I know that's a concept that most ppl. Don't consider in today's selfish society, but that's exactly one of the major reasons that the patriots are winners and the cowboys haven't won crap in years to brag much about. Be greedy = losing , not so greedy= more success.
 

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Were you upset when Romo got greedy and signed his second at-the-time franchise record contract extension in 2011, even though injuries were already starting to set in?
Yes I was,. But I knew he was our best player on offense, no one close, so I figured, I guess give the money to someone. But I was also upset that he spent years not being serious enough about being QB of the cowboys, but was dang serious about golf. Hated to see he didn't win a superbowl, but those first few years were partly his fault. I'm an equal opportunity critisizer. I call right right and wrong wrong no matter who they are. At least Aikman was a team guy. Like Darren Woodson and bill bates as is Tyron Smith.
 

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Just adding this, from the Bob Sturm article in The Athletic this week:

I suspect that there are almost no ways to quantify Wentz being a better quarterback in their first NFL three seasons without using draft position as the key element of the equation. Otherwise, Prescott has been his equal or better for all three years thus far.

Further, in the one stat that matters, the Cowboys and their quarterback have been great in the NFC East. He is 4-2 against the Eagles and 3-1 in games that weren’t played in Week 17 with half-hearted competition.

In fact, given that the NFC East fanbases so enjoy laughing about Prescott’s ability, it should be noted that Dallas is 13-5 against division foes with Prescott starting. That’s 4-2 against the Eagles, 4-2 against the Giants and 5-1 versus the Commanders during this stretch.


(and we all know that we were robbed in that one loss to the Commanders on a phantom call)
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