Garrett’s reaction to the Kellen Moore hype

Garrett's days are numbered. But I see Jerry moving JG into the front office, not firing him.

viman96 said:

It does not matter what round Dak was drafted in. He is prepping for his 4th year as the starting QB. His draft status at this point and frankly the day he became the starter is irrelevant. Results is what matters. Can you do it or not? Brady was drafted in the 6th round. IIRC Joe Montana was drafted at the end of the 3rd round. Romo and Warner went undrafted. Think anyone cares how they were added to their respective rosters and ultimately promoted to the starting QB?

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We are debating different things that sound the same. I am just being realistic. I mentioned the round because he was lacking some skills/traits and got drafted in the 4th round. Moore making a few changes will not improve dak. It will make the offense more efficient, but dak has to improve those traits.

Improved receiving core
Healthy o line
Dak improving
Moore calling plays (may help)

I think the offense will be better in that order. They will be strong this year

ShortRound131 said:

Garrett's days are numbered. But I see Jerry moving JG into the front office, not firing him.

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I agree with that. I think he will be "reassigned" rather than simply shown the door. I don't think "Garrettitis" has a quick and easy cure to get rid of it!

To be honest, I'm still shocked that the team was able to get rid of the one of the brothers that they did.

Alexander said:

The minute there a sign of even mild struggle, Garrett will take over. You can take it to the bank.

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100%..


I won’t buy the hype about the offense just like I didn’t buy it last year.

Prove it.

stasheroo said:

I agree with that. I think he will be "reassigned" rather than simply shown the door. I don't think "Garrettitis" has a quick and easy cure to get rid of it!

To be honest, I'm still shocked that the team was able to get rid of the one of the brothers that they did.

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I think Kitna and Moore will maneuver for HC job this year. Maybe Richard.

ShortRound131 said:

I think Kitna and Moore will maneuver for HC job this year. Maybe Richard.

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Sean Payton.

Yes, I think that happens.

stasheroo said:

Sean Payton.

Yes, I think that happens.

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I hope... Alot more riding on Dak's success this year, I think the Cowboys next 5 years depends on this season's outcome.

CATCH17 said:

100%..


I won’t buy the hype about the offense just like I didn’t buy it last year.

Prove it.

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I agree it has to be proven, as things always must be. But there is at least one difference from a year ago in that a year ago we had the same OC coming back from the previous year. We obviously need to see what the result of Moore stepping in will be, but at least a new OC provides more hope for change than keeping the same guy.

ShortRound131 said:

I hope... Alot more riding on Dak's success this year, I think the Cowboys next 5 years depends on this season's outcome.

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Undoubtedly.

Two biggest decisions? Dak getting or not getting the extension, and Garrett getting his or going as well.

ShortRound131 said:

I think Kitna and Moore will maneuver for HC job this year. Maybe Richard.

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Teams rarely fire a head coach and replace him with someone from the very staff that was part of the failure that lead to his being fired. Odds are if these coaches all succeed to a level they would be serious head coaching candidates Garrett will remain head coach.

stasheroo said:

Undoubtedly.

Two biggest decisions? Dak getting or not getting the extension, and Garrett getting his or going as well.

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We need a Game of Thrones trial by combat.

This was not merely an OC change.

This was a systemic change.

It's one thing to have an OC who is, to your mind, a clone of yourself, and being prepared to stake your own future as a HC to that clone's decisions.

Linehan was the traditional offensive coordinator, or better described as offensive director.

It's a completely different thing to have an OC who is just in his second damn year of any coaching responsibility whatsoever.

So, hell yes, Garrett's claimed the offensive director role.

And hell yes, he's assigned the new kid responsibilities that are, indeed, the things that would be expected of a coordinator in any other context, and among them, given the kid the responsibility to set the agenda for offensive coaching staff meetings and invite and induce collaboration in a big way--and to the point, unlike would ever be done with a seasoned OC in a traditional system.

You'd do similar if not the same thing if it was your future in your job on the line. Any normal intelligent adult would.

No rational person hands off this level of responsibility with this level of consequence to an underling with one year even in the department, let alone one who is 29 years old.

And no matter where one falls on the Garrett loving/hating continuum, this is how you really want it to be after all.... if Garrett's offense in 2019 succeeds, then he owns that... if it fails, he owns that, too. There will be no Linehan or anyone else to blame if it falls apart, nor anyone more appropriately praised if this comes together.

CouchCoach said:

Part of this is because of Booger's stupid comment "if anyone gets in your way, come see me" circumventing the entire chain of command in coaching. Taking that at face value, Moore wouldn't even be reporting to Garrett, if things got a little dicey.

There are few teams that do not have a collaborative effort with their coaching. Think Belichick gives McDaniels free reign over the offense?

The amusing part of this is the posters that think Booger doesn't meddle. That statement is the essence of meddling.

What one would want to take from that is the HC is trying to keep the OC off an island if this doesn't work but from observing a HC that never takes the fall, I think he's concerned about Moore getting too much credit, if it does work.

However, those on CoachWatch for replacing Garrett, this is just another prime example of the owner putting the HC in a tough questioning posture because of him shooting his mouth off. Think HC's like dealing with questions like that?

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This whole situation brings back into light the albatross that hangs around everyone on this coaching staff and front office not named Jones. The owner/GM is the hub of everything. Everything that has been learned about organizational “best practices” for a championship NFL team goes out the window season by season because of Jerry’s stubborn refusal to delegate real authority and the other companion that goes with it- real accountability.

Look at how Jerry has dealt with Garrett- he treats him like a immature nephew or step son he’s trying to protect rather than a grown man with freedom to run the team as he sees fit as well as the accountability for failure that normally comes with the job. Most NFL HCs don’t get 9 years to try and win something besides a wild card round playoff game. This is just weird stuff we fans have to accept with Jerral Wayne Jones wanting to always be the belle of the ball.

It’s a crazy way to run a professional sports team- especially if you want to win a championship.

ShortRound131 said:

Garrett's days are numbered. But I see Jerry moving JG into the front office, not firing him.

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Of course Jerry will keep him employed. Contrary to what Jerry and other people here have said, I don't think any teams are lining up to hire a fired Jason Garrett. Jerry will help him save face by promoting him, and then JJ and Garrett can still say that there were other offers. The only way to prove if there are any other offers or not is for Jerry to not promote him and see what happens.

Fire407 said:

Of course Jerry will keep him employed. Contrary to what Jerry and other people here have said, I don't think any teams are lining up to hire a fired Jason Garrett. Jerry will help him save face by promoting him, and then JJ and Garrett can still say that there were other offers. The only way to prove if there are any other offers or not is for Jerry to not promote him and see what happens.

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Some people like to point back to the "offers" that came around over a decade ago in Baltimore and Atlanta. At that point in time, Garrett was considered a hot candidate, since then, everyone has seen the issues in Dallas and now the book is out on Garrett.

Like may who disappear forever once the Cowboys no longer employ them, Garrett would be the same. He'd never see another head coaching gig.

CowboyRoy said:

Its a mystery to me why all these morons keep coming out talking about how is the EXACT same offense just with window dressing. Why would they want the give the competition that kind of insight into the changes?

Its almost more important for Garrett the idiot to appear to have control then to win games. Its almost like he is doing the same things to Moore that Jones does with him.

Wouldn't you want the competition confused about what you are going to be doing and let them figure things out on their own after 4 or 5 games?

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The circus never ceases to amuse us !
your right, too much info has come out and now JG running his mouth about it, worried about him not getting credit, or moore getting too much credit.
So much has been said, now teams know it is same plays that are being disguised by motions and formations.
It will be easier to figure out now.
JG's ego is as big as Jerrys lol and he wants credit more than he wants to win, just like Jerry!

It is an issue for me, as I want them to not go past div round, as long as JG is HC, but I also want kellen to look good,
so maybe he can replace JG.
But then I remember Jerry saying he wanted to win JG a SB, and if he did JG would be here forever!
So keep that in mind, if they did win a SB JG will then be HC for the next 20 to 30 years.

the funny thing was JG saying he didnt need a Sean McVay starter kit, meaning he does not think much of Sean or his offense ! lol
Dont need that when you have the great Jason Garret powerhouse offense ! You know the one defenses say they know exactly what we are doing!

Alexander said:

When people say he is still developing, is he on the same learning curve Garrett was? A ten year plan? I guess so.

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more like a 15-20 year plan for JG
10 for Dak

my question to JG would be
if what Moore is doing as OC is so insignificant, and it is collaborative, then why wasnt it done before now, and why make kellen OC to put
it in place?? Why let linehan go?
Why didnt JG or linehan think of disguising plays or these other simple things, years ago?
Something doesnt make sense.

DandyDon52 said:

my question to JG would be
if what Moore is doing as OC is so insignificant, and it is collaborative, then why wasnt it done before now, and why make kellen OC to put
it in place?? Why let linehan go?
Something doesnt make sense.

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You should know by now that nobody tells you the truth, at least not until they leave the building for good. Then you get more truth than you want to hear.

I've seen nothing from Garrett to suggest he could do anything in the front office. That responsibility belongs to Stephen and his right hand will mcclay. Garrett would only be a distraction.