Garrett speaking at Princeton Univ

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The best part of it was the story about Justin Durant. Really interesting as to why he retired.

He gave some insight into the whole clapping thing he gets slack for. Garrett has standards to be the best. The thing that keeps him just below Belicheck/Reid’s level is having a plan B, C and D when plan A fails.

If he were in college or corporate America or coaching in the 90s, he’d be a legend. But the NFL now, talent is so equal there is no sure fire way to gain the edge. Basically he’s a younger version of Parcells who also declined in the modern NFL. Their philosophy is get your man to be his very best then just win a series of 1 on 1 battles.

Unfortunately it’s more than that in today’s game. The players are different and they don’t have the same edge a former era did where they held the standard no matter what because that’s what the coach said.

Problem with you guys is that you confuse talking with action

Garrett is a talker but he cannot get his men to execute

After 8 years it's pretty clear that is who he is

The guy will need a miracle to win a SB

But go ahead and keep blindly making excuses for his mediocrity
 

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Problem with you guys is that you confuse talking with action

Garrett is a talker but he cannot get his men to execute

After 8 years it's pretty clear that is who he is

The guy will need a miracle to win a SB

But go ahead and keep blindly making excuses for his mediocrity

If his offense, his judge of talent and ability to develop players is as bad as some claim, then he actually must do a hell of a good job getting them to execute in order to win the division, as the Cowboys have 2 of the last 3 years, and 3 of the last 5 years.

Now, let’s be honest and say that while he isn’t a great coach, dreaming up reasons to go after him for giving a speech at Princeton is pretty ridiculous.
 

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If his offense, his judge of talent and ability to develop players is as bad as some claim, then he actually must do a hell of a good job getting them to execute in order to win the division, as the Cowboys have 2 of the last 3 years, and 3 of the last 5 years.

Now, let’s be honest and say that while he isn’t a great coach, dreaming up reasons to go after him for giving a speech at Princeton is pretty ridiculous.

You're obviously new to the NFL so let me remind you that the objective is to win a SB and not to win in the regular season

2 post season wins in 8 years and ZERO conference championship game appearances, or wins and ZERO SB appearances or wins

Absolutely pathetic
 

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You're obviously new to the NFL so let me remind you that the objective is to win a SB and not to win in the regular season

2 post season wins in 8 years and ZERO conference championship game appearances, or wins and ZERO SB appearances or wins

Absolutely pathetic
I had a boss like you way back when. Sure we all want to win multiple SBs, but you can still appreciate the journey back to that spot.
 

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Of course not every QB signed the same deal. It would be ridiculous to suggest that the market is the same for everyone who plays the same position.

As for Foles - - - and as for facts - - - Foles has started 9 regular season games the last 3 years, and Dak has started 48.

In fact, Dak has both started more games and won more games in his 3 year career than Foles has started or won in his 7 year career. Dak also has less than 300 fewer yards in 3 years than Foles has in 7, and only one less TD. And a higher QB ranking. And he is 5 years younger.

Not exactly apples to apples.
Using wins as a proxy for talent in a game that employs 53 men is monumentally stupid.

And I didn't say that every player should sign the same contract. But you seem to suggest that Dak isonly getting 30MM plus because of the qb market today....when we know that's not true given the otehr starting qb contracts handed out this offseason. So yes his contract is an indication that the Cowboys view him as a top talent at the position.

You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
 

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You're obviously new to the NFL so let me remind you that the objective is to win a SB and not to win in the regular season

2 post season wins in 8 years and ZERO conference championship game appearances, or wins and ZERO SB appearances or wins

Absolutely pathetic

You’re obviously new to the world if think every coach that hasn’t won the Super Bowl is terrible at getting his players to execute.

Plus, you are arguing a point that is irrelevant to what I said. I didn’t claim he is a great coach, and in fact specifically said he was not, nor did I claim he had reached the pinnacle of coaching, but it appears you have to pretend I did say those things in order to fabricate an argument.

But, why would this be surprising from a guy who felt compelled to fabricate a complaint out of a guy giving a speech at his alma mater.
 

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You’re obviously new to the world if think every coach that hasn’t won the Super Bowl is terrible at getting his players to execute.

Plus, you are arguing a point that is irrelevant to what I said. I didn’t claim he is a great coach, and in fact specifically said he was not, nor did I claim he had reached the pinnacle of coaching, but it appears you have to pretend I did say those things in order to fabricate an argument.

But, why would this be surprising from a guy who felt compelled to fabricate a complaint out of a guy giving a speech at his alma mater.

NO COACH

let me repeat so it might get into some dense minds

NO COACH in the SB era has ever gone on to win the SB with his team if he did not at least reach the conf CG in his first 5 years

In case you're wondering , that is NO COACH

ZIP


ZERO


NADA


Garrett's record is not just bad, it's pathetic and tells us there is no hope

yet morons keep defending him with "but he talks well" excuses
 

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Using wins as a proxy for talent in a game that employs 53 men is monumentally stupid.

And I didn't say that every player should sign the same contract. But you seem to suggest that Dak isonly getting 30MM plus because of the qb market today....when we know that's not true given the otehr starting qb contracts handed out this offseason. So yes his contract is an indication that the Cowboys view him as a top talent at the position.

You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

You can like it or not - deny it or not - but the NFL (teams, owners, GMs) reward QBs who win games, and it is reflected in the way they are paid. The reason they are paid above and beyond how players at other positions are paid is because they are considered leaders - field generals - they guy that has the greatest ability to control games and determine outcomes. They are the on field decision makers and handle the ball on every down. You can claim your way is right all you want, but it only goes against reality.

But even aside from that, what you apparently are still (and continually) missing is that pay is not a position ranking. The fact that he will be paid more than Brees, for example, is not a statement that he is a better QB than Brees, it is the reality that he is negotiating a contract under different market conditions than Brees. It’s economics - it’s supply and demand - it’s the state of the NFL in 2019. As long as you insist on thinking of it as a QB ranking system and ignore the business side of it you will never understand it.
 
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NO COACH

let me repeat so it might get into some dense minds

NO COACH in the SB era has ever gone on to win the SB with his team if he did not at least reach the conf CG in his first 5 years

In case you're wondering , that is NO COACH

ZIP


ZERO


NADA


Garrett's record is not just bad, it's pathetic and tells us there is no hope

yet morons keep defending him with "but he talks well" excuses

As long as you chose to post out of emotion and a goofy sense of outrage rather than out of an actually understanding of the written word, and as long as the point is flying a far over your head as it is, there is no use trying to have a discussion with you.
 

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Actually he’s exactly what college coaches are now. They’re more about self actualizing and growing the person than just X’s And O’s primarily because when you only have guys focus on football that’s how you get the Irvin’s teammates at the U and that doesn’t fly today.

Trust me I’ve worked for FBS coaches who played in New Years Bowl games recently. This is how their taught to reach players today at their coaches conventions.

Players football acumens are much different now. If they can’t understand something in 5 seconds they give up. Coaching is now all about teaching. Belicheck has his success due to his skins on the wall and everyone in the locker room respects Brady. His approach is actually very outdated.
then every team needs some of bellicheat's outdated teaching
 

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don't watch any of garrett's speaches or press conference cant stand to listen to him he is so boring
 

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He crosses his legs like a woman.
I think it's sexy when a man crosses his legs Woody. So there. :p
I gave you a like anyway being I've seen you crossing your legs. :grin:
I like Jason and think he is the right coach for us. He’s homegrown as they say and that’s got to count for something.
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Thanks for sharing, just finished watching the full interview and enjoyed it quite a bit.
 

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You can like it or not - deny it or not - but the NFL (teams, owners, GMs) reward QBs who win games, and it is reflected in the way they are paid. The reason they are paid above and beyond how players at other positions are paid is because they are considered leaders - field generals - they guy that has the greatest ability to control games and determine outcomes. They are the on field decision makers and handle the ball on every down. You can claim your way is right all you want, but it only goes against reality.

But even aside from that, what you apparently are still (and continually) missing is that pay is not a position ranking. The fact that he will be paid more than Brees, for example, is not a statement that he is a better QB than Brees, it is the reality that he is negotiating a contract under different market conditions than Brees. It’s economics - it’s supply and demand - it’s the state of the NFL in 2019. As long as you insist on thinking of it as a QB ranking system and ignore the business side of it you will never understand it.
There are a ton of qbs who have won a lot of games that never signed contracts that at the time put them amongst the highest paid qbs in all of football.

Giving Dak 130MM with 100MM of that guaranteed is a value statement.

You can pretend it's not. You're wrong.
 

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There are a ton of qbs who have won a lot of games that never signed contracts that at the time put them amongst the highest paid qbs in all of football.

Giving Dak 130MM with 100MM of that guaranteed is a value statement.

You can pretend it's not. You're wrong.
Whatever.
At some point you need to realize you're punching a concrete pillar.
I've met many types who do it. Usually those who pine over a girl they just lost.
I've seen them talk and talk and try to convince this and that and then the punching happens.
Usually upon inanimate objects that give no shiv what you do.

So... When does your hand hurt from the pounding upon concrete?
 

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I think it's sexy when a man crosses his legs Woody. So there. :p
I gave you a like anyway being I've seen you crossing your legs. :grin:
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You ain't right....:laugh:.........what it also says is there's not much blockage between the thighs......:grin:
 

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I like Jason and think he is the right coach for us. He’s homegrown as they say and that’s got to count for something.
He's "homegrown" only because we have a GM that's equally incompetent at his own job...........had Garrett been hired as a HC with another team he would have been gone several years ago..........only Jerry would have bought in to the "it's a process" crap for a decade.....so far and counting.
 

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There are a ton of qbs who have won a lot of games that never signed contracts that at the time put them amongst the highest paid qbs in all of football.

Giving Dak 130MM with 100MM of that guaranteed is a value statement.

You can pretend it's not. You're wrong.
Again, we are talking about today’s market conditions. That concept seems to elude you like a complex mathematical equation or scientific theory that only a Nobel winning mathematician or scientist can understand.

Besides, winning QBs have always been among the highest paid players. Our own Troy Aikman is a great example. He was a great QB and got a big contract when he played, but it was based on leadership skills and winning, not on putting up the biggest passing stats. As I recall, he only had 20 TDS one time in his career and had as many sub 3,000 yard seasons as over 3,000 yards.

In today’s world a guy got a $137 million contract simply for being the well regarded backup to a successful QB. In today’s world Kurt Cousins makes more money than Drew Brees because he has a recent contract that a team with a bad QB situation was willing to pay. Owners/GMs are willing to pay huge contracts to QBs because the supply of good ones is so low, and that’s just how it is and what teams have to deal with to compete. You can’t just reverse the current market because an online fan says so.
 
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