Report: Dak Prescott counteroffer higher than Carson Wentz deal

silvrNblue · Jun 17, 2019

boxer-rumble said:
Knew this was going to happen.

Roseman and the Eagles always trying to screw us.

They, the egglets had nothing to do with it. If you want to point a finger, then stick in the eyes of all those in the FO. Anyone with 1/2 a thinking mind KNEW if they half assed around it was going to cost them dbl. Now The Jones boys can suck it up or let him walk.... should have done this deal LAST season.

silvrNblue · Jun 17, 2019

Cowboys22 said:
Why more? Wentz is trending up if he can stay healthy while Dak has trended down. His max contract should be $25.8 million average over the total life of the deal including this year’s salary so as to match Wentz’s deal. It basically works out to a 5 year $152.8 million extension putting him under contract for 6 years at $154.8 million. Boom, $25.8 a year average for 6 years. Give him $107 million in guarantees and bonuses to match the others and there you have the fair deal for each side. I don’t like it as it’s way too much for the inconsistency and unknown future of Dak but it’s either that or let him go which I know the team won’t do. The other option is to make him play this year for $2 million and franchise him. I like this option the best as it gives us another 2 years to see who he becomes but it may cost $40 million a year to sign him in two years.

ROFL.. Wentz is trending..."up" LOL Ohh ok I guess you must mean while he's laying on his back on da stretcher... got it.
Annnnd remind us ALL again just who it was that BEAT Wentz and the egglets last season, not once but twice?

Whirlwin · Jun 17, 2019

LACowboysFan1 said:
It appears to me the people wanting the Cowboys to let Dak play out his contract are taking that approach because they just don't like Dak, and are hoping he falls off or at best doesn't improve, so they will have a reason to look to replace him.

Really doesn't have much to do with the money, they just don't like him. And I understand those views, just don't agree with them.

Though I'm also pretty sure some of those posters aren't Cowboys fans, but Philly or other fans who know if Dak stays the Cowboys will be winning the division, playoff games, etc., and their team won't be doing that.

And before anyone starts yelling "How dare you say I'm not a Cowboys fan", simmer down, if you really are a Cowboys fan it doesn't matter what anybody says

Imagine watching a Cowboys game and wanting them to lose because you don't like a player and you want them to fail. Just like people want Garrett to fail so we get rid of him. What a way to live your life. They don't look ahead and realize what a poor example that would be on the locker room. Yeah let's set a losing atmosphere. LOL totally agree with you

Whirlwin · Jun 17, 2019

silvrNblue said:
They, the egglets had nothing to do with it. If you want to point a finger, then stick in the eyes of all those in the FO. Anyone with 1/2 a thinking mind KNEW if they half assed around it was going to cost them dbl. Now The Jones boys can suck it up or let him walk.... should have done this deal LAST season.

I don't think they should have done it last season but I understand your theory. Prescott will be a cowboy for quite some time to come that I know for sure

glimmerman · Jun 17, 2019

silvrNblue said:
ROFL.. Wentz is trending..."up" LOL Ohh ok I guess you must mean while he's laying on his back on da stretcher... got it.
Annnnd remind us ALL again just who it was that BEAT Wentz and the egglets last season, not once but twice?

Oooo ooooo I know who, I know who..

PJTHEDOORS · Jun 17, 2019

silvrNblue said:
ROFL.. Wentz is trending..."up" LOL Ohh ok I guess you must mean while he's laying on his back on da stretcher... got it.
Annnnd remind us ALL again just who it was that BEAT Wentz and the egglets last season, not once but twice?

And Dak with the deepest OL/WR's he's ever had, and hopefully if Pollard is the wr/rb weapon with speed to compliment Zeke, the deepest RB's he's had. Dak with a true QB coach & no more Linehan calling plays, that alone has him trending higher than Wentz. Wentz doesn't have his weapons on offense. Wentz who chokes in the 4th quarter, Dak plays his best.

Dak is trending to a place Wentz can only dream of.

And oh ya, Dak last year with Cooper aboard, completed 70% of his passes.

glimmerman · Jun 17, 2019

PJTHEDOORS said:
And Dak with the deepest OL/WR's he's ever had, and hopefully if Pollard is the wr/rb weapon with speed to compliment Zeke, the deepest RB's he's had. Dak with a true QB coach & no more Linehan calling plays, that alone has him trending higher than Wentz. Wentz doesn't have his weapons on offense. Wentz who chokes in the 4th quarter, Dak plays his best.

Dak is trending to a place Wentz can only dream of.

And oh ya, Dak last year with Cooper aboard, completed 70% of his passes.

Ageed, Of the FO don’t sign him before season starts then after this season his value will only increase. His agent had to come down a little though. Dak shouldn’t make what a SB winning QB is getting. Needs to be something fair for both sides. If wentz got 32 then offer 32.5 if he just has to have more.. big bonus and get that yearly average down so we can sign the next player.

Sydla · Jun 17, 2019

The problem is some of you are letting your homerism get in the way of rationale thought on this topic.

In no world should Dak Prescott ask for and get what would likely be a Top 3 to 5 contract. But that's what he's asking for apparently.

Flamma · Jun 17, 2019

LACowboysFan1 said:
It appears to me the people wanting the Cowboys to let Dak play out his contract are taking that approach because they just don't like Dak, and are hoping he falls off or at best doesn't improve, so they will have a reason to look to replace him.

Really doesn't have much to do with the money, they just don't like him. And I understand those views, just don't agree with them.

If by not liking Dak you mean people don't think he's good enough, you'd be right. That has everything to do with the money. Fans don't want a Cousins type contract. If Dallas gives Dak a big contract and he flops, then what? At this point I don't care what they do. I don't think by letting him play another season we're going to learn anything new about Dak.

Sydla · Jun 17, 2019

glimmerman said:
Ageed, Of the FO don’t sign him before season starts then after this season his value will only increase. His agent had to come down a little though. Dak shouldn’t make what a SB winning QB is getting. Needs to be something fair for both sides. If wentz got 32 then offer 32.5 if he just has to have more.. big bonus and get that yearly average down so we can sign the next player.

We don't know that. It could happen, it could not.

What if Dak goes out and has another decent year and the team misses the playoffs or gets bounced early again? He's certainly not going to be in a position to ask for even more than he's asking for now.

Sydla · Jun 17, 2019

LACowboysFan1 said:
It appears to me the people wanting the Cowboys to let Dak play out his contract are taking that approach because they just don't like Dak, and are hoping he falls off or at best doesn't improve, so they will have a reason to look to replace him.

Really doesn't have much to do with the money, they just don't like him. And I understand those views, just don't agree with them.

This is just ridiculous.

Personally, I want him to play out his contract and then have the Cowboys make a decision. If he plays well and they have to pay more than they would today, so be it, that's the cost of business. I am simply about limiting downside risk here. What I don't want is the Cowboys to pay him a contract that averages, say $33MM a year, and then he goes out and plays decently, but not great and the team continues to scuttle along as a 9-7 team.

The Cowboys have the leverage here, so they should use it.

LACowboysFan1 · Jun 17, 2019

Sydla said:
We don't know that. It could happen, it could not.

What if Dak goes out and has another decent year and the team misses the playoffs or gets bounced early again? He's certainly not going to be in a position to ask for even more than he's asking for now.

That's true, there's not right or wrong answer, because we can't foretell the future. There are risks either way, sign him now and he doesn't improve so you've wasted your money, or wait and have to pay him even more if he does improve (or the team improves, if he doesn't play better but the team gets to the NFC championship or such, then it doesn't really matter if he's better, because you don't want to tear up team chemistry in the hopes somebody else can do even better).

LACowboysFan1 · Jun 17, 2019

Sydla said:
This is just ridiculous.

Personally, I want him to play out his contract and then have the Cowboys make a decision. If he plays well and they have to pay more than they would today, so be it, that's the cost of business. I am simply about limiting downside risk here. What I don't want is the Cowboys to pay him a contract that averages, say $33MM a year, and then he goes out and plays decently, but not great and the team continues to scuttle along as a 9-7 team.

The Cowboys have the leverage here, so they should use it.

If you wait and he costs more, then there's less money for Zeke, if you don't extend him this year, and others. Again, I'm not advocating either way since I have nothing to do with it, just saying there's no easy answer, there's benefits and/or risks either way...

LACowboysFan1 · Jun 17, 2019

Flamma said:
If by not liking Dak you mean people don't think he's good enough, you'd be right. That has everything to do with the money. Fans don't want a Cousins type contract. If Dallas gives Dak a big contract and he flops, then what? At this point I don't care what they do. I don't think by letting him play another season we're going to learn anything new about Dak.

Well I can appreciate your view, but there are always detractors against the current starting quarterback, I remember years ago some fans wanting the Cowboys to stick with Morton instead of Staubach, for various reasons - he's too green, he runs too much, it's a veteran team and we need to stick with the more seasoned quarterback, etc. Some fans aren't satisfied with anything less than the top player at a position. (Not saying that's you)

But I don't agree that we're not going to learn anything new about Dak, I was never a fan of Wade Wilson or Scott Linehan, in my opinion neither was good enough at their position. Don't really know about Moore and Kitna, just think trying something new is way past due.

Though I do think this is the year Dak has to show improvement, barring tons of offensive player injuries/missed games, if he stays the same, then it's time to look at plan B...

Whirlwin · Jun 17, 2019

PJTHEDOORS said:
And Dak with the deepest OL/WR's he's ever had, and hopefully if Pollard is the wr/rb weapon with speed to compliment Zeke, the deepest RB's he's had. Dak with a true QB coach & no more Linehan calling plays, that alone has him trending higher than Wentz. Wentz doesn't have his weapons on offense. Wentz who chokes in the 4th quarter, Dak plays his best.

Dak is trending to a place Wentz can only dream of.

And oh ya, Dak last year with Cooper aboard, completed 70% of his passes.

From the first snap, until the last snap. Everything in between is called football. I care what you do when the game was on the line fourth quarter. That's when Prescott is that his best. I find myself slamming him sometimes the first second third quarter. Come the 4th quarter right now there's nobody I'd rather have with the ball in their hand last. Go Cowboys

Whirlwin · Jun 17, 2019

Sydla said:
The problem is some of you are letting your homerism get in the way of rationale thought on this topic.

In no world should Dak Prescott ask for and get what would likely be a Top 3 to 5 contract. But that's what he's asking for apparently.

He has won more Primetime games at any other quarterback in the last 3 Seasons. More fourth-quarter wins that any other quarterback last three seasons. Took the franchise to the playoffs two of the last three seasons. Homerism has nothing to do with it. We know a winner when we see it

glimmerman · Jun 17, 2019

Sydla said:
We don't know that. It could happen, it could not.

What if Dak goes out and has another decent year and the team misses the playoffs or gets bounced early again? He's certainly not going to be in a position to ask for even more than he's asking for now.

I think the market value will be higher next year. Of course this is only my opinion by looking at the trend that’s happening. If mahomes gets his contract then it will drive up values for starting QBs. Not that Dak is better or on the same level as mahomes. Not sure when goff is up for his next contract. If Dak goes to the playoffs again this year then your looking at a starting QB that helped lead his team to the playoffs 3 out of 4 years. It’s looking as though our team is going to be better than last year (fingers crossed). His agent is asking for Wilson type money which is around 34 per year and I don’t want to see JJ do that. But next year 34 maybe the going rate. Especially if mahomes gets what they are saying he will. If we could get Dak for about what wentz got then it will look like a deal in a few years.

Again it’s only my opinion and what I think is going to happen.

Whirlwin · Jun 17, 2019

glimmerman said:
I think the market value will be higher next year. Of course this is only my opinion by looking at the trend that’s happening. If mahomes gets his contract then it will drive up values for starting QBs. Not that Dak is better or on the same level as mahomes. Not sure when goff is up for his next contract. If Dak goes to the playoffs again this year then your looking at a starting QB that helped lead his team to the playoffs 3 out of 4 years. It’s looking as though our team is going to be better than last year (fingers crossed). His agent is asking for Wilson type money which is around 34 per year and I don’t want to see JJ do that. But next year 34 maybe the going rate. Especially if mahomes gets what they are saying he will. If we could get Dak for about what wentz got then it will look like a deal in a few years.

Again it’s only my opinion and what I think is going to happen.

I'm really curious to find out how Mahomes is going to play this season. The Patriots set the example. Middle pass-rush destruction destroys him. Will it continue I think so

Whirlwin · Jun 17, 2019

We had a quarterback in training for 3 Seasons. How many first-round quarterbacks are already out of the league trying to do it Prescott did. Jared Goff was horrible during the playoffs reading defenses. This is Prescott 4th season he's no longer in training. The confidence the knowledge should be through the roof. This is the year we will truly know what we have as a quarterback. Some people will still don't him I'm sure I'm already a fan I've been on the bandwagon since his first preseason game against Seattle. I think they were like 15 different starting quarterbacks after Troy Aikman before Tony. The kid is a winner in my opinion

Sydla · Jun 17, 2019

LACowboysFan1 said:
If you wait and he costs more, then there's less money for Zeke, if you don't extend him this year, and others. Again, I'm not advocating either way since I have nothing to do with it, just saying there's no easy answer, there's benefits and/or risks either way...

There really isn't less money as the cap will go up anyway. If they want to bring back Zeke they can do so whether Dak is averaging $33MM a year or $37MM a year.

People are coming up with some false choices here in order to justify signing Dak now, when in fact, the Cowboys really don't have to.

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