Landry believed players with strong relationships with their dads were better equipped for the NFL

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Please. There are many types of family configurations and no one is any more successful than another. A supportive environment is key - you can get that from a single parent, two moms, two dads, a mom and a dad, or any other configuration.

To say otherwise just pushes an agenda.

Facts don't care about your feelings, the Data, whether it's prison inmates where they're overwhelmingly from single family, no Father figure in their life, or no parent at all in their life or the gang participation which has grown exponentially since the 1960's....the breakdown of the two parent family unit since the 60's in all races greatly affected young men growing up, to say otherwise belies the facts, whether it's crime, gang membership or suicide among young men ...
 

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Cool to know his thought process back then for the draft.
 

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Facts don't care about your feelings, the Data, whether it's prison inmates where they're overwhelmingly from single family, no Father figure in their life, or no parent at all in their life or the gang participation which has grown exponentially since the 1960's....the breakdown of the two parent family unit since the 60's in all races greatly affected young men growing up, to say otherwise belies the facts, whether it's crime, gang membership or suicide among young men ...

The data is sliced how you want it sliced. In your case, sliced to ignore structural issues that ignore situations producing many homes without father figures. It would be those same underlying issues that lead to poor outcomes for kids.

Common causal variables. Dude, it's like basic data literacy that you're missing here.
 

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Facts don't care about your feelings, the Data, whether it's prison inmates where they're overwhelmingly from single family, no Father figure in their life, or no parent at all in their life or the gang participation which has grown exponentially since the 1960's....the breakdown of the two parent family unit since the 60's in all races greatly affected young men growing up, to say otherwise belies the facts, whether it's crime, gang membership or suicide among young men ...
I've seen lesbians raise great men.

With the examples you just used don't forget to mention CPS that creates a pipeline of children to feed everyone you laid out. Too many times CPS destroys families over petty even false claims.
 

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It truly is important, and I feel great sympathy for those who didn't have that in their lives.

I think it's even more critical for girls. Relationships are hard with women who didn't grow up with a true father in her life.

Without a solid two-parent married upbringing, a kid is at a huge disadvantage in life.
 

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The data is sliced how you want it sliced. In your case, sliced to ignore structural issues that ignore situations producing many homes without father figures. It would be those same underlying issues that lead to poor outcomes for kids.

Common causal variables. Dude, it's like basic data literacy that you're missing here.
I suggest you talk to teachers in rough areas. Ask them what "runners" are. Ask them what their typical day entails. Ask them why they go sometimes two weeks without delivering a lesson plan for the day. They will tell you the same thing. No dads at home. Momma doesn't care or have the time to care. And the law won't let them kick them out of class.

I know a teacher who told me she had 21 kids in her class. She had contact information for one father. And this was in the suburb of Hurst, not the projects of Dallas or Fort Worth. Almost every kid failed the STAAR test, but the system pushes them through anyway. They don't know what to do with them because the kids won't try, and the moms don't care.

What are the odds any of these kids grow up to be mature, responsible parents themselves? Almost zero.
 

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I suggest you talk to teachers in rough areas. Ask them what "runners" are. Ask them what their typical day entails. Ask them why they go sometimes two weeks without delivering a lesson plan for the day. They will tell you the same thing. No dads at home. Momma doesn't care or have the time to care. And the law won't let them kick them out of class.

I know a teacher who told me she had 21 kids in her class. She had contact information for one father. And this was in the suburb of Hurst, not the projects of Dallas or Fort Worth. Almost every kid failed the STAAR test, but the system pushes them through anyway. They don't know what to do with them because the kids won't try, and the moms don't care.

What are the odds any of these kids grow up to be mature, responsible parents themselves? Almost zero.

Yes. Blame it all on the families in "rough areas."

Got nuthin to do with structural inequalities. I'd venture those teachers you mention are pretty bottom of the barrel if they make the attributions you claim
 

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Yes. Blame it all on the families in "rough areas."

Got nuthin to do with structural inequalities. I'd venture those teachers you mention are pretty bottom of the barrel if they make the attributions you claim
You can't throw money at these kinds of problems, and no amount of politics will help. Those teachers pay their dues, then get their butts to better school districts as fast as they can. My kids are excellent students, and it's not because of their teachers, who are fine. They are because I don't tolerate anything else. And it certainly helps that they're in AP classes with kids whose parents are just like me.

The ONLY answer is better parenting, and school vouchers for the kids/parents who care. What is a school district supposed to do about completely uninvolved parents, especially when that makes up more than 90 percent of your class?

There are schools in Dallas now that don't allow teachers to give kids zeroes for not turning in assignments or taking tests. There is a movement declaring unfair advantages for kids whose parents read to them at home. They believe this should be factored in for grading. Just pasting over the real issues to move kids through the system. Rinse, repeat.

The answer to all of this is an involved mom and dad. Period.
 

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You can't throw money at these kinds of problems, and no amount of politics will help. Those teachers pay their dues, then get their butts to better school districts as fast as they can. My kids are excellent students, and it's not because of their teachers, who are fine. They are because I don't tolerate anything else. And it certainly helps that they're in AP classes with kids whose parents are just like me.

The ONLY answer is better parenting, and school vouchers for the kids/parents who care. What is a school district supposed to do about completely uninvolved parents, especially when that makes up more than 90 percent of your class?

There are schools in Dallas now that don't allow teachers to give kids zeroes for not turning in assignments or taking tests. There is a movement declaring unfair advantages for kids whose parents read to them at home. They believe this should be factored in for grading. Just pasting over the real issues to move kids through the system. Rinse, repeat.

The answer to all of this is an involved mom and dad. Period.
Involved parents make a difference whether it's 1, 2, 3, or 4. Not familiar with Texas school systems but they sound way worse than California's and I thought ours were bad.
 

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Guess they need to get all of those HOFers and All Pro's raised by single Moms out of the league?

What generalized poop. This is as dumb as saying all children raised by single Moms are headed for prison.

If that's what he believed, that's fine but he won two rings in 29 years and Jimmy won two back to back and would have taken 53 orphans if they could run fast.

I think any boy has a better chance if he does have that strong father figure in his life but not as much as I think it's all about the individual. If not, you wouldn't have boys with brothers on the street or in prison. I know too many that have been successful with one and failed with the other.
 

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Guess they need to get all of those HOFers and All Pro's raised by single Moms out of the league?

What generalized poop. This is as dumb as saying all children raised by single Moms are headed for prison.

If that's what he believed, that's fine but he won two rings in 29 years and Jimmy won two back to back and would have taken 53 orphans if they could run fast.

I think any boy has a better chance if he does have that strong father figure in his life but not as much as I think it's all about the individual. If not, you wouldn't have boys with brothers on the street or in prison. I know too many that have been successful with one and failed with the other.
Well said.
 

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Involved parents make a difference whether it's 1, 2, 3, or 4. Not familiar with Texas school systems but they sound way worse than California's and I thought ours were bad.
Not Texas schools. Dallas and Houston schools.
 

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You can't throw money at these kinds of problems, and no amount of politics will help. Those teachers pay their dues, then get their butts to better school districts as fast as they can. My kids are excellent students, and it's not because of their teachers, who are fine. They are because I don't tolerate anything else. And it certainly helps that they're in AP classes with kids whose parents are just like me.

The ONLY answer is better parenting, and school vouchers for the kids/parents who care. What is a school district supposed to do about completely uninvolved parents, especially when that makes up more than 90 percent of your class?

There are schools in Dallas now that don't allow teachers to give kids zeroes for not turning in assignments or taking tests. There is a movement declaring unfair advantages for kids whose parents read to them at home. They believe this should be factored in for grading. Just pasting over the real issues to move kids through the system. Rinse, repeat.

The answer to all of this is an involved mom OR dad. Period.
FIFY
 

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It truly is important, and I feel great sympathy for those who didn't have that in their lives.

I think it's even more critical for girls. Relationships are hard with women who didn't grow up with a true father in her life.

Without a solid two-parent married upbringing, a kid is at a huge disadvantage in life.

I like both sides of this discussion, because I have personal and professional experience in both.

Adversity is good and developmental, as long as it's not crippling.
Some adversity is structured by good and loving parents; some is brought about by unfortunate circumstances. It is ultimately up to the individual to seize opportunities and overcome adversity, regardless of the motivating factors.

The thing that must be present, from whatever source can be found, is love. It conquers all.
 
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