Landry believed players with strong relationships with their dads were better equipped for the NFL

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It makes sense that a man who had a good relationship with his dad would think that it makes him a better person. I'm a better person because I never knew my dad because the guy was an alcoholic who liked to hit women. I wouldn't have been better equipped for anything other than jail if I had had a relationship with him.
 
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Could it be that one of the lures for young boys of single Moms about football is the male role model that good coaches provide? I see it all the time, a really strong connection between a young man and his coach as if he's filling that void not in that young man's life. That may have as strong a pull on a young man as the game and camaraderie has.

It could be they're subconsciously drawn to the sport to fulfill something that they really aren't aware is missing. One thing for sure, we are all influenced growing up by role models, good or bad.

Our rookie DT was denied following the man that recruited him and convinced him to come the UCF instead of UVA and he was seen as a "coaching problem". He didn't seem to have that problem before. I don't know about his parents but I think I do know about his connection to Scott Frost and before the Cowboys selected him, Marinelli sought to establish a relationship with him as well and talked to his previous coach, which happened to be his previous player. It is a small world....and a crappy ride at Disney World.
 
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Cowfan75 said:
It makes sense that a man who had a good relationship with his dad would think that it makes him a better person. I'm a better person because I never knew my dad because the guy was an alcoholic who liked to hit women. I wouldn't have been better equipped for anything other than jail if I had had a relationship with him.
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Or you could have a relationship with him like Adrian Peterson's son has with his Dad, who he admits to continuing to disciplining him with objects in his hand. Give me no father instead of that.
 
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The Quest for Six said:
There's many more single parent children that don't unfortunately....nobody is saying it's the end all be all but the stats are clear, when any child, especially a boy is brought in a strong Father two parent family environment, they do much better...
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There are probably more children from two parent homes who grow up not to be anything simply because there are more such households.

Anyway socioeconomic factors matter more than any other factor in determining likelihood a kid goes on to be a productive member of society.
 
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I think what he really meant was people who were raised under discipline

Not these kids today I’ve never seen such you can punch your dad in the mouth now and it’s cool
Your mother gives you $20 for allowance and you get mad and start saying she’s sleeping with every person on the block
 
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GMO415 said:
The man was a WWII veteran who was responsible for killin' thousands of *****. The man's a hero. Someone did something right in raising him. RIP Coach Landry.
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He killed thousands of *****?
Is that documented?
Just wondering because the first tenet here is to state the truth.
You want to walk it back?
Or at least admit you EXAGGERATED!!!!?????
 
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GMO415 said:
The man was a WWII veteran who was responsible for killin' thousands of *****. The man's a hero. Someone did something right in raising him. RIP Coach Landry.
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In 1989, what kind of grown man plays hide and seek all over Texas to avoid Jerry Jones when all Jerry wanted to do was fire old Tom face to face? (Jerry found old Tom on a golf course.)

Then, what kind of sulking, girly man tells the media his firing could have been "handled better"?

And when Jimmy took his first team to the Super Bowl (1993?) what kind of sick liar was old Tom to say he was gonna be too busy to watch Dallas in the Super Bowl?

Cold, vindictive, calculating dog Tom was.
 
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Wonder how old Tom related to his dad.
Tom was one cold, calculating sob.
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my guess NOT very good. Lay ya dollars to donuts Tom never had the relationship with his Dad...so in his mind he thought that could be the missing element in a persons life...his own, and the player or prospect. If only it were that easy Tom lol...life doesn't always work out so cut and dry. That's where Tom sometimes came off cold and had a disconnect with his players....sometimes..simply out of touch with reality. Having a father is a great thing, but not the only barometer of measuring a prospect. Gotta look at the man as an individual. Tom was guilty many times of putting a guy in a box of sorts and making up his mind about him. That happened to Duane Thomas I would bet, altho he had some mental stuff going on. Once Tom labeled a player, you were just DONE. Great coach, not so good judge of character...and to be fair, after he retired, he admitted some of his own shortcomings in that area. I think he regretted it.
 
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GimmeTheBall! said:
In 1989, what kind of grown man plays hide and seek all over Texas to avoid Jerry Jones when all Jerry wanted to do was fire old Tom face to face? (Jerry found old Tom on a golf course.)

Then, what kind of sulking, girly man tells the media his firing could have been "handled better"?

And when Jimmy took his first team to the Super Bowl (1993?) what kind of sick liar was old Tom to say he was gonna be too busy to watch Dallas in the Super Bowl?

Cold, vindictive, calculating dog Tom was.
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Tom disappointed me at that point. I recall that. He softened up later on tho. Tom was a war hero...a sometimes cold , heartless guy. He was complicated.
 
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Jimmy J was the polar opposite of Landry. Didn't care about the home structure as long as the prospect was a winner and could help the team win. Also...Landry got caught up in drafting choir boys too much. Football is a violent game and requires THUGS. Those guys aint always going to be something to write home about lol. Jimmy knew this very well. Tom on the other hand,was very staunch on what he thought a player should be. I admire both coaches immensely for sticking to their philosophy.
 
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My father had an accident when I was 2. I had zero father-figure in my life. My mother had boyfriends, but they were just dudes to me.
I ended up being my father's caretaker, at the end of his life and after 3 decades of moving him from nursing homes to head injury centers, all the while he never knew who the hell I was.
My mother would tell him I was his youngest son and he would give me the bird and yell "Liar!".

I ended up a good man. A successful (I think anyways) person in my area of business and happy. I have a very happy family and I'm proud of it.
I get that kids having a good, strong father can be an advantage, but it's not the end-all be-all for figuring life and it's challenges out.

There are many single-parent children and they carry Amazing within them.
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Based on this sir, you are one hell of a guy!
 
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my guess NOT very good. Lay ya dollars to donuts Tom never had the relationship with his Dad...so in his mind he thought that could be the missing element in a persons life...his own, and the player or prospect. If only it were that easy Tom lol...life doesn't always work out so cut and dry. That's where Tom sometimes came off cold and had a disconnect with his players....sometimes..simply out of touch with reality. Having a father is a great thing, but not the only barometer of measuring a prospect. Gotta look at the man as an individual. Tom was guilty many times of putting a guy in a box of sorts and making up his mind about him. That happened to Duane Thomas I would bet, altho he had some mental stuff going on. Once Tom labeled a player, you were just DONE. Great coach, not so good judge of character...and to be fair, after he retired, he admitted some of his own shortcomings in that area. I think he regretted it.
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I agree, except on one thing. As far as Duane Thomas, I believe Landry had Duane pegged correctly. Thomas, gifted, was maladjusted. A misfit. Surly. He was not worth keeping.
 
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Today Tom would be characterized as a "passive aggressive" Honestly...I rather have a hardass boss than someone that was passive aggressive. Jimmy Johnson was the anti Passive aggressive type coach lol... Hard *** all the time..but DID know when to let the guys enjoy a win. He was consistent.
 
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As we all do at some point, we live long enough to have a few regrets about how we handle certain situations etc. Tom Landry was no different. Tom came to terms with some of his mistakes and was at peace with himself. Jerry Jones and Jimmy over the years have also spoke about some of their stupidity..ego's and just bad decisions they made in haste.
 
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GimmeTheBall! said:
I agree, except on one thing. As far as Duane Thomas, I believe Landry had Duane pegged correctly. Thomas, gifted, was maladjusted. A misfit. Surly. He was not worth keeping.
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you got me there. Duane was an enigma for sure. He was a bitter man. He didn't even know why he was so aloof himself. He admitted as much later. He and Tom Clashed because Tom was very relentless and unforgiving in those days. Tom held grudges ,and Duane did too.
 
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Landry would not have drafted Jason Witten whose father was out of his life after beating his mother and siblings. He would have passed on Dez who grew up idolizing Cowboys with no father in his life. He would have passed on Larry Allen, father was not in his life to console him after being stabbed 8 times as a 10 year old child protecting his younger brother.

That is probably why the Cowboys had those bad 80's drafts until Tex hired Bob Ackles to get Landry out of the draft process. Landry was a great coach and innovator. But he was not perfect. Having a father influential in your life is not a good indicator of success or failure.
 

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