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When you have to point to wins alone to defend a QB you know you have a fraud player because wins is a team stat and there should be aspects to that QB's play that lead to those wins. Otherwise he's just along for the ride.

Prescott is a fraud and the moment he signs that contract he will be the most overpaid player in the history of the NFL. He positively impacts nothing. He makes nobody around him better. He must be carried.

An opinion that no one who earns money working in the NFL or even near it in the media seems to share. That doesn’t necessarily make you wrong, but it certainly makes you sound like a dog with a bone. Even the players who leave Dallas and complain about the system appear to have nothing negative to say about Dak.
Words like “fraud,” “most overpaid player in the history of the NFL,” “impacts nothing,” “makes no one around him better,” and “must be carried” are all emotional extremes that make it impossible to take your opinion seriously.

Those who want to call Dak a top 5 talent are also dealing with extremes. While he’s been a winner, even in college with a team that had no business being competitive in the SEC, Dak is not the prototype QB. However, except for a small handful, the QB position in the NFL is garbage. The years where even crappy teams had excellent QBs is long gone. Due to talent and intangibles, Dak is clearly more desirable than half the starting QBs in the league, and he has what Roger Staubach calls the most important quality in a QB, the belief of his teammates. Up to now, he’s nowhere near the top as a pure passer, but those of you who want to argue that he’s an embarrassment and one of the worst can’t be taken seriously.
 

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Dak Prescott - .667

I agree wins aren’t the only factor to look at with a QB, but you’ve shot your own argument in the foot with this stat. Dak averages 1.5 to 1.6 wins more per year than the guys you named (10.6 wins per year to Tebow’s 9.1 and Rivers 9.0). 9 wins rarely gets a playoff spot, but that extra 1.5 to 1.6 wins would ensure a playoff spot most years.
 
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An opinion that no one who earns money working in the NFL or even near it in the media seems to share. That doesn’t necessarily make you wrong, but it certainly makes you sound like a dog with a bone. Even the players who leave Dallas and complain about the system appear to have nothing negative to say about Dak.
Words like “fraud,” “most overpaid player in the history of the NFL,” “impacts nothing,” “makes no one around him better,” and “must be carried” are all emotional extremes that make it impossible to take your opinion seriously.

Those who want to call Dak a top 5 talent are also dealing with extremes. While he’s been a winner, even in college with a team that had no business being competitive in the SEC, Dak is not the prototype QB. However, except for a small handful, the QB position in the NFL is garbage. The years where even crappy teams had excellent QBs is long gone. Due to talent and intangibles, Dak is clearly more desirable than half the starting QBs in the league, and he has what Roger Staubach calls the most important quality in a QB, the belief of his teammates. Up to now, he’s nowhere near the top as a pure passer, but those of you who want to argue that he’s an embarrassment and one of the worst can’t be taken seriously.

The case you make above screams for the belief we shouldn’t be about to pay him a Top 3 contract either right now.

And therein lies the significant dilemma the Cowboys face. Having a decent but not elite QB wanting to be paid elite QB money in an environment where the position gets severely overpaid.
 

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Dak Prescott - .667

I agree wins aren’t the only factor to look at with a QB, but you’ve shot your own argument in the foot with this stat. Dak averages 1.5 to 1.6 wins more per year than the guys you named (10.6 wins per year to Tebow’s 9.1 and Rivers 9.0). 9 wins rarely gets a playoff spot, but that extra 1.5 to 1.6 wins would ensure a playoff spot most years.

But one could argue Dak’s 1.6 more wins than Rivers is more team oriented than QB oriented. Because you could easily argue Rivers is as good, if not a better, QB than Dak.
 

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When you have to point to wins alone to defend a QB you know you have a fraud player because wins is a team stat and there should be aspects to that QB's play that lead to those wins. Otherwise he's just along for the ride.

Prescott is a fraud and the moment he signs that contract he will be the most overpaid player in the history of the NFL. He positively impacts nothing. He makes nobody around him better. He must be carried.


You will be proven wrong if what happens? I am interested in knowing what has to happen for you to believe that your stance here is inaccurate.
 

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i swear some fans would be gearing up the parade floats if this team brought back Chad Hutchinson.
 

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Funny how wins isn’t stirring up support for Garrett having the 2nd most wins in Cowboy history.

And Romo had a good winning percentage but choked in the cleverly created category “ losing in go home games” lol.

But we are using regular season team success to prop up our current QB. No agendas in this forum. Lmao
those agendas seem to cut both ways.
 

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Dak Prescott - .667

I agree wins aren’t the only factor to look at with a QB, but you’ve shot your own argument in the foot with this stat. Dak averages 1.5 to 1.6 wins more per year than the guys you named (10.6 wins per year to Tebow’s 9.1 and Rivers 9.0). 9 wins rarely gets a playoff spot, but that extra 1.5 to 1.6 wins would ensure a playoff spot most years.

So let me ask this: Is Prescott a better quarterback than Rivers? According to won-loss numbers, he should be at least a notch better because "he" averages 1.5 to 1.6 more wins.

I posted Archie Manning's won-loss record in another thread (35-140, I believe) because it shows that that record has little to do with the quality of the quarterback. Generally, you can't have a bad one and win, but you can have a Trent Dilfer and win a Super Bowl if you have the right team around him.

I'd love to see the day when won-loss record is no longer used to judge quarterbacks, just like it isn't used to judge running backs, receivers, etc., because people understand with those positions that success is a team stat.
 

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When you have to point to wins alone to defend a QB you know you have a fraud player because wins is a team stat and there should be aspects to that QB's play that lead to those wins. Otherwise he's just along for the ride.

Prescott is a fraud and the moment he signs that contract he will be the most overpaid player in the history of the NFL. He positively impacts nothing. He makes nobody around him better. He must be carried.
Someone doesn't like Prescott. In Prescott I trust. Yes it's about team. The camaraderie in the locker room is awesome.
 

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I see the argument made that “wins matter.” I don’t really see anybody saying “wins are all that matter.”

Dak has more than wins in his favor, btw.
 

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The case you make above screams for the belief we shouldn’t be about to pay him a Top 3 contract either right now.

And therein lies the significant dilemma the Cowboys face. Having a decent but not elite QB wanting to be paid elite QB money in an environment where the position gets severely overpaid.
If your QB is a winner, a guy who plays best with the game on the line, who makes the plays late to win games, you pay him, even if he isn’t named Orin the class with Brady, Rodgers, Brees. That’s the nature of the business because unlike any other position, being hardheaded about it means losing games and never having a chance at a championship run because there are only 5-6 elite QBs as we rate them.
 

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How many times have you slammed Prescott in the first second or third quarter. Only to find yourself screaming yay in 4th. From the first snap into the last snap everything in between is called football. I care what you do when the game is on the line and you have the ball in your hands last. And that's when the kid has proven to be an outright winner in every way shape or form. Go Cowboys. People give up so early in the game I find it comical
 

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This is so nonsensical all I can do is laugh at it. Dak is not elite and may not be as good as we would like, but a team cannot win games the way the Cowboys have the last 3 years if the player responsible for the on field decisions and who handles the ball every play has no trait that helps lead to wins and has no positive impact on the team.

Some, like you, ridiculously act as if Dak doesn’t even have the minimum talent level to start for an NFL team. Again, he may not be the ideal guy, but look around the NFL - at minimum there are 12-15 NFL starters below Dak, and I personally would argue that number is higher.

It seems fans think a player is either elite, or terrible, and that kind of inability to see anything but extremes makes a persons opinion worthless
I agree with parts of your post, and disagree with others, however, I think one thing needs to be universal and is way beyond simple opinion.

The "handles the ball every play" routine needs to die a painful death already. It's not an argument. Taking a snap, turning around and giving the ball to someone else is not a great skill that QBs should be awarded brownie points for. The Center also handles the ball every play.
 

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In today's NFL I don't like using the word elite. Because one guy is not takeover team any longer. Last year playoffs the quarterback play was atrocious. Brady had one good drive to win the Super Bowl. Nick Foles the interception machine prove me right. Drew Brees was atrocious. Jared Goff proved he can't read a defense. Mahomes got killed with middle pressure. I can't wait to see what happens to him this season. Yes I think Prescott had the best playoff game of all of them. Go Cowboys
 

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I see the argument made that “wins matter.” I don’t really see anybody saying “wins are all that matter.”

Dak has more than wins in his favor, btw.

Is it better to look good losing or look bad winning?
 
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