Garrett’s reaction to the Kellen Moore hype

Diehardblues · Jun 17, 2019

kskboys said:
Assumptions: Don't have any. Moore has a nice head for the game. We do know that.

Expectations: The play calling was so bad w/ Linny, my expectation is that it will be better. No one knows this, but Moore would really have to blow chunks to be worse than Linny.

I hear ya but all speculation. You’re choosing to be optimistic not from anything we’ve seen yet which is fine as long as presented as such.

kskboys · Jun 17, 2019

Diehardblues said:
I hear ya but all speculation. You’re choosing to be optimistic not from anything we’ve seen yet which is fine as long as presented as such.

Oh, absolutely!!!!!!! Pure hope!!!!!!!!!!!

Been so long since I had any, I think I'm rushing!!!!

OmerV · Jun 17, 2019

Diehardblues said:
You know what I’m talking about. By the NY game you referenced and the Vikings and Philly game defenses had begun figuring his weaknesses out. Yes, we still won a couple of those but the strategy had been set to defend him which has carried forward .

The Vikings had a dominant defense that year, and though Dak didn’t have many passing yards, the Vikes only gave up, on average, an 83 QB rating per game, yet Dak had a 108 passer rating. The Cowboys just played conservatively through the air and let the running game work because the Vikes defense was more vulnerable on the ground.

In the Philly game at the end of the season Dak only played the first quarter, and without Zeke, Tyron Smith and Ron Leary. Remember? Romo came into the game in the 2nd quarter, and Mark Sanchez played the entire 2nd half? Home field advantage in the playoffs was already guaranteed, so the goal in that game was only to not get people injured.

kskboys · Jun 18, 2019

OmerV said:
The Vikings had a dominant defense that year, and though Dak didn’t have many passing yards, the Vikes only gave up, on average, an 83 QB rating per game, yet Dak had a 108 passer rating. The Cowboys just played conservatively through the air and let the running game work because the Vikes defense was more vulnerable on the ground.

In the Philly game at the end of the season Dak only played the first quarter, and without Zeke, Tyron Smith and Ron Leary. Remember? Romo came into the game in the 2nd quarter, and Mark Sanchez played the entire 2nd half? Home field advantage in the playoffs was already guaranteed, so the goal in that game was only to not get people injured.

Ouch.

Diehardblues · Jun 18, 2019

OmerV said:
The Vikings had a dominant defense that year, and though Dak didn’t have many passing yards, the Vikes only gave up, on average, an 83 QB rating per game, yet Dak had a 108 passer rating. The Cowboys just played conservatively through the air and let the running game work because the Vikes defense was more vulnerable on the ground.

In the Philly game at the end of the season Dak only played the first quarter, and without Zeke, Tyron Smith and Ron Leary. Remember? Romo came into the game in the 2nd quarter, and Mark Sanchez played the entire 2nd half? Home field advantage in the playoffs was already guaranteed, so the goal in that game was only to not get people injured.

So then, you don’t know what I’m talking about when I say by the end of season facing Giants, Vikings and Eagles that it appeared defenses were beginning to figure out Daks weaknesses?

G2 · Jun 18, 2019

Diehardblues · Jun 18, 2019

kskboys said:
Oh, absolutely!!!!!!! Pure hope!!!!!!!!!!!

Been so long since I had any, I think I'm rushing!!!!

Moore as OC is a deal changer for you providing all of this hope without seeing what effects it will have assuming we’ll have all the pieces in place signing Cooper, Elliott avoiding suspension and Freddy back on the field ? Wow

McKDaddy · Jun 18, 2019

Tangle_Foot said:
He's not going to come out and say it but dad has grounded him and taken away his keys. He's putting a better spin on this than any pass he ever threw in the NFL.

Exactly. He is trying to "diminish" the changes in order to create the "perception" that the results are ultimately still his philosophy and the he is still in control.

kskboys · Jun 18, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Moore as OC is a deal changer for you providing all of this hope without seeing what effects it will have assuming we’ll have all the pieces in place signing Cooper, Elliott avoiding suspension and Freddy back on the field ? Wow

Hope. Read the definition!!!!!!!

Getting rid of Linny was the deal changer for me. Trying out a bright young mind is fine. Don't forget, the Rams caught flak when they hired McVey as HC. It's possible we've found our McVey.

Basically, to have any success, we must find bright people who are willing to work under the Jerry umbrella. That is not easy to accomplish. So, because of that, going w/ youngsters w/ potential is prolly the only way for it to happen.

Until now, our coaching staff mostly couldn't find a grizzly bear in an open field of snow. Things right in front of their faces they didn't even notice. My hope is that Moore is the good football mind he is advertised as, and maybe now we'll start to see some of the blatantly obvious things corrected, at least on O.

Don't forget, the playcalling was horrific and we were 3-5. We finally started calling the game differently when the coaching staff's bums were on the line. It is my hope that it won't take desperation to get better playcalling in here. And I've always thought that JG does have SOME good ideas about playcalling, but simply had no clue how to put them together. I believe Moore COULD BE the guy who can do just that, who can take JG philosophies and work w/ them to form a ball moving O, w/ much better routes being drawn up.

Moore is a young talented dude w/ a great football mind. Can that mind equate to running an NFL O w/ consistency? Well, I think it can. And my hope is based on this, yes.

Logic alone dictates that Moore will most likely be an upgrade over Linny.

ClappingCarrot · Jun 18, 2019

This is a textbook Jason Garrett response, so nothing surprises me anymore.

But what is more interesting to me is that JG and Jerry are telling us two different things. I guess the proof will be in the puddin'.

Diehardblues · Jun 18, 2019

kskboys said:
Hope. Read the definition!!!!!!!

Getting rid of Linny was the deal changer for me. Trying out a bright young mind is fine. Don't forget, the Rams caught flak when they hired McVey as HC. It's possible we've found our McVey.

Basically, to have any success, we must find bright people who are willing to work under the Jerry umbrella. That is not easy to accomplish. So, because of that, going w/ youngsters w/ potential is prolly the only way for it to happen.

Until now, our coaching staff mostly couldn't find a grizzly bear in an open field of snow. Things right in front of their faces they didn't even notice. My hope is that Moore is the good football mind he is advertised as, and maybe now we'll start to see some of the blatantly obvious things corrected, at least on O.

Don't forget, the playcalling was horrific and we were 3-5. We finally started calling the game differently when the coaching staff's bums were on the line. It is my hope that it won't take desperation to get better playcalling in here. And I've always thought that JG does have SOME good ideas about playcalling, but simply had no clue how to put them together. I believe Moore COULD BE the guy who can do just that, who can take JG philosophies and work w/ them to form a ball moving O, w/ much better routes being drawn up.

Moore is a young talented dude w/ a great football mind. Can that mind equate to running an NFL O w/ consistency? Well, I think it can. And my hope is based on this, yes.

Logic alone dictates that Moore will most likely be an upgrade over Linny.

Good point about needing young minds who can work under the Jerry umbrella. Maybe Moore is one of those bright young minds.

But remember how Elite talent at WR uplifted us last year. It wasn’t the play calling or adjustments.

We’ve been a talent driven franchise for a very long time now. I hope your right about Moore. But I expect things to be more of the same with same talent.

foofighters · Jun 18, 2019

Bobhaze said:
In a very interesting article yesterday by Kevin Sherrington, (of that Dallas newspaper we cannot mention) Jason Garrett is going out of his way this week to ensure that Kellen Moore is NOT perceived as getting too much credit for the “new” offense or that Moore is in total control of the Cowboys offense in 2019.

According to Sherrington, Garrett has more than once this week been careful to say publicly he is (quoting Sherrington) “less interested in a Sean McVay starter kit than in implying the new guy hasn't reinvented anything.”

In his press conference Thursday, when describing the changes being made to the offense this year, Garrett on 3 occasions said, “this work is collaborative.” Some other interesting Garrett quotes from that press conference : "He's (Moore) been with us a few years and he has a good feel for how we want to do things"; "He's not doing it by himself"; and "he’s Injecting some new ideas and finding some old ideas” ... “making it collaborative” ... “to go with what this offense is going to be all about,” and “We’re not recreating our base offense”.

Does this sound like a guy who has turned the keys to the offense over to Kellen Moore?

Whatever Garrett thinks about “his offense”, it was crystal clear last year that something new was needed. Even with the much needed improvement at mid-season from the Amari Cooper trade, the Cowboys finished 22nd in scoring last year. That was the lowest of any other team that made the playoffs. Since 2016, when the Cowboys offense bludgeoned its opponents, the offense has been the most predictable and easy to prepare for in the NFL (Just ask the rams) It’s pretty obvious changes are needed.

So this raises some key questions:
1. Is this Garrett’s message to Kellen Moore or to fans and the media?
2. Why is Garrett so intent on saying publicly that this is still “his offense”?
3. Is Garrett feeling threatened by the presence of Kellen Moore and if so, why?

So far this offseason, the biggest question going into the 2019 season seems to be centered on how much change and new ideas Garrett will allow young Kellen Moore to inject. And...is Garrett feeling threatened?

I don't like Garrett and I am not a fan of Moore being our OC. With that being said, we really don't need change much of anything. We are a run first team that is built with a lot of weight up front. That is what our identity should be. What we need to work on is connecting with our WR when they are wide open and running for the goal line. We start doing that and it is going to pull the safety's back and open up lanes for Zeke to run through. Also we do need to get Dak out in space to have the defense see that we will beat them with Dak's legs just not all the time. We do not need to reinvent the wheel. We need to execute better and hope the talent we do have can overcome the blunders of our coach who cannot manage during important game time situations.

OmerV · Jun 18, 2019

Diehardblues said:
So then, you don’t know what I’m talking about when I say by the end of season facing Giants, Vikings and Eagles that it appeared defenses were beginning to figure out Daks weaknesses?

That comment makes absolutely no sense. As I pointed out, Dak actually had a better QB rating against the Vikings than almost every other QB that played against the Vikings that year, and against the Eagles he only played one quarter and without key starters on the field or the team even making a true effort to win, so it would be nonsensical to even pretend that game proves anything.

Are you really attempting to argue that Dak should have thrown for 250+ yards and multiple TDs playing only one quarter in a game the team was more concerned with preventing injuries than in trying to win?

As for the Giants, their defense played tough against the Cowboys both at the beginning of the season and late in the season, so the end of the season was no different than the beginning.

And, of course, I notice you aren't mentioning the 300+ yard, 3 TD game he had at the very end of the season.

CowboyFanInLexKy · Jun 18, 2019

foofighters said:
I don't like Garrett and I am not a fan of Moore being our OC. With that being said, we really don't need change much of anything. We are a run first team that is built with a lot of weight up front. That is what our identity should be. What we need to work on is connecting with our WR when they are wide open and running for the goal line. We start doing that and it is going to pull the safety's back and open up lanes for Zeke to run through. Also we do need to get Dak out in space to have the defense see that we will beat them with Dak's legs just not all the time. We do not need to reinvent the wheel. We need to execute better and hope the talent we do have can overcome the blunders of our coach who cannot manage during important game time situations.

Quotes like this is enough to drive someone to drink... Notice the red... You say we're a run first team and that's how it should be...

Now notice the bolded black... You say we need to work on connecting with our WR when they are wide open..

Should we be a run first team or should we be passing?

Darthkuriboh · Jun 18, 2019

RodeoJake said:
Garrett's offense is top 5 in the DFW metroplex.

no. several high schools and pretty much every college rank higher

Diehardblues · Jun 18, 2019

OmerV said:
That comment makes absolutely no sense. As I pointed out, Dak actually had a better QB rating against the Vikings than almost every other QB that played against the Vikings that year, and against the Eagles he only played one quarter and without key starters on the field or the team even making a true effort to win, so it would be nonsensical to even pretend that game proves anything.

Are you really attempting to argue that Dak should have thrown for 250+ yards and multiple TDs playing only one quarter in a game the team was more concerned with preventing injuries than in trying to win?

As for the Giants, their defense played tough against the Cowboys both at the beginning of the season and late in the season, so the end of the season was no different than the beginning.

And, of course, I notice you aren't mentioning the 300+ yard, 3 TD game he had at the very end of the season.

It’s my perception of how defenses begin playing against him which set the tone for the following seasons which this discussion begun on. That’s when the tide begin to change in my eyes. I suppose you saw it differently. Stats don’t always tell the whole story.

Cowboy4ever · Jun 18, 2019

Fire407 said:
He did ice his own kicker! You could argue that the first kick could have missed and the second kick could have gone through, but it's still a wrong decision. It's like hitting 15 in blackjack when the dealer is showing a 6. Sure the dealer could make a hand and you get a 5 or 6, but everyone at the table knows you played it wrong and they are going to be pissed that you took a card even if you won, because it is the wrong play.

First, this is the NFL, if a kicker can be iced, they won't be in the NFL very long
Second, we are talking about Dan Bailey - he couldn't be iced
Third, when the ST coach is yelling for a time out because they aren't ready, the HC calls a TO, it's the only logical thing to do
Finally, it's the kicker's job to make kicks, regardless of the situation. The kicker in this instance, failed to do his job.

So no, he didn't "ice" his kicker. The funny thing about all this nonsense with regards to "icing" his kicker, there were mistakes made on that drive that had a lot more to do with the outcome of that drive than the "icing" situation. But yet, people get caught up in this crap and ignore the other, more serious mistakes that were made leading up to that kick. So I don't hold Garrett blameless for that loss, not at all, but it is stupid to think he iced his own kicker and that is what caused the loss.

Bobhaze · Jun 18, 2019

kskboys said:
Hope. Read the definition!!!!!!!

Getting rid of Linny was the deal changer for me. Trying out a bright young mind is fine. Don't forget, the Rams caught flak when they hired McVey as HC. It's possible we've found our McVey.

Basically, to have any success, we must find bright people who are willing to work under the Jerry umbrella. That is not easy to accomplish. So, because of that, going w/ youngsters w/ potential is prolly the only way for it to happen.

Until now, our coaching staff mostly couldn't find a grizzly bear in an open field of snow. Things right in front of their faces they didn't even notice. My hope is that Moore is the good football mind he is advertised as, and maybe now we'll start to see some of the blatantly obvious things corrected, at least on O.

Don't forget, the playcalling was horrific and we were 3-5. We finally started calling the game differently when the coaching staff's bums were on the line. It is my hope that it won't take desperation to get better playcalling in here. And I've always thought that JG does have SOME good ideas about playcalling, but simply had no clue how to put them together. I believe Moore COULD BE the guy who can do just that, who can take JG philosophies and work w/ them to form a ball moving O, w/ much better routes being drawn up.

Moore is a young talented dude w/ a great football mind. Can that mind equate to running an NFL O w/ consistency? Well, I think it can. And my hope is based on this, yes.

Logic alone dictates that Moore will most likely be an upgrade over Linny.

Hopefully Moore will upgrade Garrett by shoring up areas Garrett will never be good at: Creativity in situational moments during a game and the ability to quickly read what is needed during a game. If Moore can provide that he will compliment Garrett’s ability to get a team to play hard. Garrett needs a creative “Robin” if he’s going to continue being Batman.

Number1 · Jun 18, 2019

Dre11 said:
This team didn't have to overcome no damn coaching handicap.

this team flipped over the O roster and won the NFCE with relative ease

I can't call that bad coaching

foofighters · Jun 18, 2019

CowboyFanInLexKy said:
Quotes like this is enough to drive someone to drink... Notice the red... You say we're a run first team and that's how it should be...

Now notice the bolded black... You say we need to work on connecting with our WR when they are wide open..

Should we be a run first team or should we be passing?

Stop being ignorant. Even run first teams pass the ball. Did we not miss the long ball last year? If we'd connected more, would that have helped the running game?

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