Twitter: Cowboys have won their division 24 times in 59 seasons, the best percentage in the NFL

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Ya know, I get the frustration with the last 23 years thang and posters being upset with Booger but if we back off and take of the blue and silver glasses and just look at this objectively, has he really been that bad, except for the selection of coaches? And he's not been good at picking QB's but he has a lot of company with that.

Who else, save one guy, has really figured this out? He's made some questionable moves like 2 fer Galloway and Williams and he's a risk taker for sure but has he not erred on the side of action? His lack of success is not from the lack of effort, he doesn't stop trying to fix it.

It looked so easy in the first 6 years yet that same HC struggled at MIA to create magic. Good HC's and GMs have failed to the tune of a 20-25% turnover every year and that wasn't there before this got so hard to do in the cap era. The margin for error and the impact of injury have caused more management turnover than ever before and shorter time periods to get it done. Booger admitted one of his failings with Gailey was impatience

Booger and Garrett are terrible yet they've won their division 3 of the last 5 years. Their playoff success leaves a lot to be desired but these last five seasons are not that string with Campo or the Parcells' years. This has been a good, not great, team but good is not good enough for some.

And let's not forget the shape of the Cowboys under the old regime in the late 80's. That was a disaster and laughing stock of the NFL and if any of the other suitors buys the team, what's the likelihood of what happened 92-95? Jimmy gets all the glory but who went against the grain and hired a college coach? And then has the good sense to let him build it.

Booger still annoys me but not his GMing. He's learned to listen to different voices and that shot from the war room with the discussion regarding trading or taking McGovern, that was not your grandad's Booger. That was a GM standing by his board and following the plan. I think Booger bashing has become so habitual that we just unload on him about everything. There are others that have done far worse jobs than he has and it is nothing but conjecture that any other GM would have done better.

Booger didn't buy the team, or try to buy the Chargers prior to that, like any other owner, as an investment. He bought it to run it and has never, and will never, have any other intention other than that. Give the man credit, he does learn from his mistakes.
If we could replace one piece in the last 20 years I’d go with one of these HOF QB’s. I still believe it was Parcells biggest mistake not drafting one. And I still think it’s not a strength for us in an era when QB’s have never been more critical to a teams success.

Even in Romo era I believe with a Rodgers type we advance further and now we appear to be a Mahomes type from being a serious SB contender.

It’s become a league of those with a QB and the rest either trying to find one or build around a lesser one.

I’d really like to see what Jethro, Son and the Clapper could do with one of these HOF QB’s.
 

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tldr Giants 27%, Commanders 17%, Crapeaters 16%

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So now we’re down to feeling good about division wins!
Boy expectations have dropped!!
 

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Bears, Lions, Packers all sucked for the most of the 70s.
That black&blue NFC north div. got about 344 combined years of football amongst them,,,that Head Coach Bud Grant of the Vikes seemed to be the precursor of a Bill Belichick (IMO) as far as the efforted work/ diligence in team preparation goes,,,they had that #44 Chuck Foreman that would pummel defenses as the game ground down, along with Fran Tarkington who seemingly had a medicine bag full of deep ball strikes around his neck on any given gameo_O
 

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The cheating is a yawn to me as what effect did that have? Stealing signals from the Jets? Would SD have scored 5 more TDs with properly inflated balls?

Belichick would be the perfect type commander of the armed forces...cold, calculating and cutthroat and it's all about winning. He lives Lombardi's famous saying "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing".

And part of his mojo is getting in the head of the opposing coach. He was in Reid's and McVay's heads before they ever kicked off. McVay admitted as much. They give 3 points for homefield, they need to add 3 for Belichick.
I know. And agree. I was just being sarcastic about the cheating.

Just not sure Bill has this level of success without the clutch ness “ money” play of Brady. He suked for 56 minutes in SB but with game on the line drives the field. That’s not just coaching .

We know what Bill was without Brady. We don’t know what Brady would be without Bill. Again best combo in NFL history. Bill no doubt greatest defensive Guru but do they win all of these championships without Brady? I doubt it.
 

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That black&blue NFC north div. got about 344 combined years of football amongst them,,,that Head Coach Bud Grant of the Vikes seemed to be the precursor of a Bill Belichick (IMO) as far as the efforted work/ diligence in team preparation goes,,,they had that #44 Chuck Foreman that would pummel defenses as the game ground down, along with Fran Tarkington who seemingly had a medicine bag full of deep ball strikes around his neck on any given gameo_O
And how about that D he had, front to back, as strong as any.

I always liked watching their home games in the winter when he wouldn't let them have heaters on the bench and he'd just stand there and have that icy cold stare across at the other bench. Funny that Landry got that rap for being stoic, anyone ever take a good long look at Bud Grant during a game?
 

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So now we’re down to feeling good about division wins!
Boy expectations have dropped!!
Well, I feel pretty good about the last one coming from 3-5.= and seemingly out of it.

And if anyone bases their expectations on 1995, they've already lost. They're suffering from terminal entitlement.
 

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And how about that D he had, front to back, as strong as any.

I always liked watching their home games in the winter when he wouldn't let them have heaters on the bench and he'd just stand there and have that icy cold stare across at the other bench. Funny that Landry got that rap for being stoic, anyone ever take a good long look at Bud Grant during a game?
:lmao: I know,man! It was about the epitome of "sternness" chiseled on his mug:thumbup:
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Well, I feel pretty good about the last one coming from 3-5.= and seemingly out of it.

And if anyone bases their expectations on 1995, they've already lost. They're suffering from terminal entitlement.

Yea but 23 teams have made it to their respective championships since 1995.

No prises guessing we're one of the 9 who haven't.

That's what I care about.

Division win celebrations are for those who’ve never won an SB!
 

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Again... no way in hell statuesque Tom Brady could play thisl ong if he played in the 70s and 80s. Lok at the shots Montana, Roger, Bradshaw, hell, even Aikman took WELL after they threw the ball. They took those shots because defenses tried to get them out of games. Try that today and your *** is suspended and fined big bucks. This is the ONLY reason a slow Tom Brady can be playing at age 40. Roger Staubach retired at 38 and if Im not mistaken led the league in passing that year. He was at the top of his game, but he simply could not take more hits and more concussions on thos concrete fields they played on. You think Brady would still be playing today if he played back then?

I love seeing the old clips of games from the past... and then Im loike.... that would be illegal, that would have been a suspension, thats a fine. Some of the greatest plays in NFL history would be illegal today. Remember that Shot the Raider sDB put on the Steelers in the title game that Harris caught and ran for a TD... that hit is illegal all day today. Ronnie Lott or George Lynch wouldnt have had careers if they played today. Hell, even Reggie White and his signature club to the head of the olineman move isnt allowed today.

Brady is great, but this is why I hate hearing he is the GOAT. Montana playing in todays game isnt s great at Brady? Imagine Roger with his athleticism, smarts and leadership playig in todays , dont touch the QB rules??? yeah, Ill take Roger.

Reid,

You make a lot of good points.

It was a different era in the 60s-70s and even in the 80s-90s than it is today. Defenses back then played with much more abandon, and before the rule changes - specifically, the 1978 "Mel Blount rule" - receivers were not running freely five yards beyond the LOS as they do today. The 85 Bears knocked six starting QBs out of games that year.

When the Cowboys played the Skins in the 70s, Diron Talbert made no bones that they were out to hurt Staubach. Those were physical and sometimes dirty contests.

The guys you mention, especially Staubach and Bradshaw in the 70s, took a lot of late hits. Even Aikman took a ton of punishment that today would draw flags or get guys suspended. Brady is great, but I agree with your assessment: his lack of mobility would have subjected him to a ton of late hits in the pocket back then. And by all means, Roger would have had more longevity in today's NFL, not less. He sustained some concussions from his aggressive running style, but he also took late shots (by today's standards) after he released the ball. And with multiple WR sets and more timing patterns and the influence of the WCO on the passing game, QBs get rid of the ball quickly, and with the rules preventing defenders from hitting the QB after the release, guys like Brady take less punishment than Staubach, Aikman and Bradshaw took.

I think Roger was 37 when he retired, and he did lead the NFL in QB rating in 1979, his final season. He also led the NFL in INT% and was 2nd in TD% and passing TDs that year. And that was only his 8th complete season as a starter. And yes, he'd kill it today in this pass-happy NFL.
 

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Again... no way in hell statuesque Tom Brady could play thisl ong if he played in the 70s and 80s. Lok at the shots Montana, Roger, Bradshaw, hell, even Aikman took WELL after they threw the ball. They took those shots because defenses tried to get them out of games. Try that today and your *** is suspended and fined big bucks. This is the ONLY reason a slow Tom Brady can be playing at age 40. Roger Staubach retired at 38 and if Im not mistaken led the league in passing that year. He was at the top of his game, but he simply could not take more hits and more concussions on thos concrete fields they played on. You think Brady would still be playing today if he played back then?

I love seeing the old clips of games from the past... and then Im loike.... that would be illegal, that would have been a suspension, thats a fine. Some of the greatest plays in NFL history would be illegal today. Remember that Shot the Raider sDB put on the Steelers in the title game that Harris caught and ran for a TD... that hit is illegal all day today. Ronnie Lott or George Lynch wouldnt have had careers if they played today. Hell, even Reggie White and his signature club to the head of the olineman move isnt allowed today.

Brady is great, but this is why I hate hearing he is the GOAT. Montana playing in todays game isnt s great at Brady? Imagine Roger with his athleticism, smarts and leadership playig in todays , dont touch the QB rules??? yeah, Ill take Roger.
While reading your post, I had to reflect on just how many suspension games our #20 Mel Renfro would be sitting out on the sidelines every season, if his 14 season career were being unfolded in this current NFL.

*that question pretty much sticks/affixed on to all the "old guard" players who were instrumental in the formulation of our fandom
 

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so now we celebrate division titles that's what the dallas cowboys have become a team that is pretty average makes the owner lots of money and as long as they are competitive we are good with that way different times than when I started watching them
 

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Yea but 23 teams have made it to their respective championships since 1995.

No prises guessing we're one of the 9 who haven't.

That's what I care about.

Division win celebrations are for those who’ve never won an SB!
Just look at my signature. We are one of the worse NFC teams as far as playoff wins go this century. I don't even care about the division any more. I used to. Times have changed. You know what a division title reminds me of? That twice this century we were the #1 seed in the NFC and lost our first game.
 

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Yea but 23 teams have made it to their respective championships since 1995.

No prises guessing we're one of the 9 who haven't.

That's what I care about.

Division win celebrations are for those who’ve never won an SB!
Yep, I can see that but I adjusted to being like a CLE, DET or WAS fan sometime back or I would have just walked away.

As far as people dropping their expectations, what good do lofty expectations do? I look at the team, the division and the rest of the conference before each season and establish some kind of "feel" for the season. This year, as of now, I have the Cowboys in 5th or 6th in the NFC and 2nd in the division.

None of my expectations are based on the past, not even the previous season. It's a new season every season.
 

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so now we celebrate division titles that's what the dallas cowboys have become a team that is pretty average makes the owner lots of money and as long as they are competitive we are good with that way different times than when I started watching them
Yes, it is different times.
 

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so now we celebrate division titles that's what the dallas cowboys have become a team that is pretty average makes the owner lots of money and as long as they are competitive we are good with that way different times than when I started watching them
Why are you so dullardly oblivious to
That whole salary cap thingey,that was rapidly implemented , which dashed the devious designs ( being forseen, to the pants crapping horror of the remaining 31 league entities) of what our FOOTBALL DAD was paving the way on?

* and you are not the only one around here ,my friend, who conveniently beats on the whining brat drum of discontented sniveltude,all the while skirting that particular brain ache in the formulation of rational adult thoughts of the reasoning process,,,,o_O
 

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Why are you so dullardly oblivious to
That whole salary cap thingey,that was rapidly implemented , which dashed the devious designs ( being forseen, to the pants crapping horror of the remaining 31 league entities) of what our FOOTBALL DAD was paving the way on?

* and you are not the only one around here ,my friend, who conveniently beats on the whining brat drum of discontented sniveltude,all the while skirting that particular brain ache in the formulation of rational adult thoughts of the reasoning process,,,,o_O
CC's stolen word of the day, sniveltude. Has almost a Hogwarts ring to it.
 

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CC's stolen word of the day, sniveltude. Has almost a Hogwarts ring to it.
:lmao:
*,,,er,,, my liquor store clerk( straight up truth,I think he's from Armenia) has got me to start buying that Paul Masson Red Berry brandy ,and I've found it's a mellower belt of booze follow-up to the bourbon ,,,LMAO,,, He's even stacks it up on a"special shelf" section right next to the Jim Beam,,,just for me:thumbup:
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That black&blue NFC north div. got about 344 combined years of football amongst them,,,that Head Coach Bud Grant of the Vikes seemed to be the precursor of a Bill Belichick (IMO) as far as the efforted work/ diligence in team preparation goes,,,they had that #44 Chuck Foreman that would pummel defenses as the game ground down, along with Fran Tarkington who seemingly had a medicine bag full of deep ball strikes around his neck on any given gameo_O
yeah those are different points to make, and correct points
 

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Yep, I can see that but I adjusted to being like a CLE, DET or WAS fan sometime back or I would have just walked away.

As far as people dropping their expectations, what good do lofty expectations do? I look at the team, the division and the rest of the conference before each season and establish some kind of "feel" for the season. This year, as of now, I have the Cowboys in 5th or 6th in the NFC and 2nd in the division.

None of my expectations are based on the past, not even the previous season. It's a new season every season.

It’s a new season with the same lousy GM!
In that regard I agree having lofty expectations are almost certainly useless but as a fan seeing a once great franchise brought low by a guy we can’t get rid off, Buggs me.
 
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