1970 NFC Championship Dallas Cowboys at San Francisco

jazzcat22 · Jun 30, 2019

ClappingCarrot said:
Obviously this was way before my time, so you old timers can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Walt Garrison play this game with a broken ankle?

Not sure if it was that game. But I seen it was rumored he played a game with a broken leg, but if fact I think it was a broken arm though. Unless he did both in 2 different games.

joseephuss · Jun 30, 2019

DandyDon52 said:
I would like to see the cleveland game or games, I saw the cleveland minnesota nfc champ game, and cleveland was so bad , I dont see how they beat dallas.
and I think they beat dallas pretty bad. Never seen those or the GB dallas game in Dallas.

About morton, I read he got his elbow hurt mid season, and was never the same after that.
And he wasnt young anymore, and was beat up, but back then QB's played into their 30's.
I remember sonny jurgenson was old and had a pot belly and started for the skins.

Craig Morton born February 5, 1943
Roger Staubach born February 5, 1942

DCreppinBoysfan · Jun 30, 2019

jazzcat22 said:
Apple
I have a iMac, iPhone, iPad. And for sound I have Bose. Also Bose quiet comfort headphones and the wireless earbuds. I mean the complete wireless set, not the ones with a wire running between each ear bud.

Dumped Microsoft and their constant updates that get worse each time and virus protection scams a few years back. But had an iPhone since 2008.

How do you download videos from YouTube with apple products. I would y mind downloading the Dallas-Seattle wildcard game before it gets taken down?

Number1 · Jun 30, 2019

DandyDon52 said:
This game is interesting to watch, it is the 1st NFC Championship Dallas ever won.
This was the year Tom took over play calling at mid season and they also started a winning streak at that point.
I dont think Tom was a great play caller, what he did was just not call many pass plays, most of which were
screens, and that cut out int's.
Dallas had such a great defense, at the start of this game they say Dallas has not allowed a TD in 21 qtr's !!
they went 2 more in this game so 23 without allowing a td!
With that type of defense Dallas did not rely too much on the offense, to win, just mainly dont turn it over
and score a few points.
The same defense only allowed 1 TD in the baltimore SB game, and they still lost.
And that one TD was controversial.
Duane Thomas had around 135 yds in this game.
Landry showed some emotion at the end of game on sideline, and in locker room said something interesting.
It is full game and has commercials , some of which are funny.

it was an awesome D, the '70 and '71 Cowboys allowed a total of 10 points in back to back SBs

Adderly, Renfro, Green, and Waters are arguably the best secondary ever - they held the John Brodie to 19 of 41 on the game, the utterly shut down the top passing game in the league. Brodie to Gene Washington was the best deep combo in the NFL at the time (not Morton and Hayes)

Renfro's INT at the 5 five is actually an amazing play, Washington had him turned around and had inside leverage, Brodie throws a perfect pass that would have been a walk in TD to tie the game against 99% of the CBs ever to play the game

for all you youngsters out there, Mel Renfro is one of the best DBs to ever play the game, IMO the best

you said "I dont think Tom was a great play caller, what he did was just not call many pass plays, most of which were
screens, and that cut out int's."

I'd point out Landry was calling the defensive plays too

also Tom was handicapped by a 2nd rate QB in Morton, who was nowhere near the QB Meredith was and Rodger wasn't ready to start yet, Morton was 7 of 22 in that game, not once did he roll out in a huge playoff game, and only took 2 deep shots (that ain't normal Tom Landry) - Morton was the least mobile of all Landry QBs

my issue with Tom's offensive play calling is he often didn't run enough in big games when he had great QBs

for example, IMO he should run Tony more in playoff games with Rodger and Danny. He never played ball control with Dorsett, and didn't use him in short yardage enough. Super Bowl XIII for example.

They beat us playing long ball, Mel Blount held Hill to 2 catches, Staubach and Bradshaw were both 17/30 but they hit another 120 yards. Tony had 140 yards on just 21 touches, I always felt another 5 would have led to more points and kept Bradshaw, Swann, and Stallworth on the sidelines.

I felt the same way the day Clark made the "the Catch" and many other big games

DandyDon52 · Jul 1, 2019

Number1 said:
it was an awesome D, the '70 and '71 Cowboys allowed a total of 10 points in back to back SBs

Adderly, Renfro, Green, and Waters are arguably the best secondary ever - they held the John Brodie to 19 of 41 on the game, the utterly shut down the top passing game in the league. Brodie to Gene Washington was the best deep combo in the NFL at the time (not Morton and Hayes)

Renfro's INT at the 5 five is actually an amazing play, Washington had him turned around and had inside leverage, Brodie throws a perfect pass that would have been a walk in TD to tie the game against 99% of the CBs ever to play the game

for all you youngsters out there, Mel Renfro is one of the best DBs to ever play the game, IMO the best

you said "I dont think Tom was a great play caller, what he did was just not call many pass plays, most of which were
screens, and that cut out int's."

I'd point out Landry was calling the defensive plays too

also Tom was handicapped by a 2nd rate QB in Morton, who was nowhere near the QB Meredith was and Rodger wasn't ready to start yet, Morton was 7 of 22 in that game, not once did he roll out in a huge playoff game, and only took 2 deep shots (that ain't normal Tom Landry) - Morton was the least mobile of all Landry QBs

my issue with Tom's offensive play calling is he often didn't run enough in big games when he had great QBs

for example, IMO he should run Tony more in playoff games with Rodger and Danny. He never played ball control with Dorsett, and didn't use him in short yardage enough. Super Bowl XIII for example.

They beat us playing long ball, Mel Blount held Hill to 2 catches, Staubach and Bradshaw were both 17/30 but they hit another 120 yards. Tony had 140 yards on just 21 touches, I always felt another 5 would have led to more points and kept Bradshaw, Swann, and Stallworth on the sidelines.

I felt the same way the day Clark made the "the Catch" and many other big games

Yeah he could have ran more, and also the trick plays ,dont use those in playoffs.
In the pitt vs dal SB's , it was landry vs Bradshaw on calling plays and Bradshaw was just better, poor staubach was on a leash most of the game
and had to go with what landry called, and Bradshaw could do whatever he wanted.

Number1 · Jul 1, 2019

DandyDon52 said:
Yeah he could have ran more, and also the trick plays ,dont use those in playoffs.
In the pitt vs dal SB's , it was landry vs Bradshaw on calling plays and Bradshaw was just better, poor staubach was on a leash most of the game
and had to go with what landry called, and Bradshaw could do whatever he wanted.

yeah,I hate to say it but Swann and Stallworth, made it easy

BTW, that's Landry with a capital "L"

Red Dragon · Jul 1, 2019

Number1 said:
it was an awesome D, the '70 and '71 Cowboys allowed a total of 10 points in back to back SBs

Adderly, Renfro, Green, and Waters are arguably the best secondary ever - they held the John Brodie to 19 of 41 on the game, the utterly shut down the top passing game in the league. Brodie to Gene Washington was the best deep combo in the NFL at the time (not Morton and Hayes)

Renfro's INT at the 5 five is actually an amazing play, Washington had him turned around and had inside leverage, Brodie throws a perfect pass that would have been a walk in TD to tie the game against 99% of the CBs ever to play the game

for all you youngsters out there, Mel Renfro is one of the best DBs to ever play the game, IMO the best

you said "I dont think Tom was a great play caller, what he did was just not call many pass plays, most of which were
screens, and that cut out int's."

I'd point out Landry was calling the defensive plays too

also Tom was handicapped by a 2nd rate QB in Morton, who was nowhere near the QB Meredith was and Rodger wasn't ready to start yet, Morton was 7 of 22 in that game, not once did he roll out in a huge playoff game, and only took 2 deep shots (that ain't normal Tom Landry) - Morton was the least mobile of all Landry QBs

my issue with Tom's offensive play calling is he often didn't run enough in big games when he had great QBs

for example, IMO he should run Tony more in playoff games with Rodger and Danny. He never played ball control with Dorsett, and didn't use him in short yardage enough. Super Bowl XIII for example.

They beat us playing long ball, Mel Blount held Hill to 2 catches, Staubach and Bradshaw were both 17/30 but they hit another 120 yards. Tony had 140 yards on just 21 touches, I always felt another 5 would have led to more points and kept Bradshaw, Swann, and Stallworth on the sidelines.

I felt the same way the day Clark made the "the Catch" and many other big games

Landry's problem was that he was an innovator in his heyday, but many innovators are precisely the kind of people who cannot adapt to changing times. They think they are such great innovators that they will always be the pioneer and not realize that they have themselves been out-innovated. You see this phenomenon in business, technology, management etc. as well.

Give Dorsett 30 carries in Super Bowl XIII and Dallas might be the champs.

Alexander · Jul 1, 2019

Red Dragon said:
They think they are such great innovators that they will always be the pioneer and not realize that they have themselves been out-innovated.

In some circles, that is considered arrogance.

Near the end, Landry was clinging like a tick to the offensive and defensive schemes that the rest of the league had copied.

Number1 · Jul 1, 2019

Alexander said:
In some circles, that is considered arrogance.

Near the end, Landry was clinging like a tick to the offensive and defensive schemes that the rest of the league had copied.

several thoughts

I'd say more confident than arrogant, but only because I met once him and he was rather humble

Landry's O and D innovations were very much unique and widely copied

whenever the subject of scheme and creativity comes up I'd remind folks the are only 2 core offenses in the NFL
Sid Gillman's timing system and Paul Brown's trap-n-shoot

the most interesting about them is that they were designed to score a bunch of point and specifically to create more fans
both featured a 9 route passing tree, with post snap auto route adjustments based on coverage,
with just 3 receivers in a pattern and a 9 route tree, that's 3 ^ 9 = 19,863 possible route combos you can call

so it's almost never the scheme limitations ... just personal preference

I've always believed great players make great coaches (because talent create possibilities)
more than great coaches make great players (coaches can't fix slow players)

IMO, any coach who couldn't win with the '71, '77, or '93 Cowboys should have been fired

and ummm ... this 2019 squad may have that kinda talent

Alexander · Jul 1, 2019

Number1 said:
several thoughts

I'd say more confident than arrogant, but only because I met once him and he was rather humble

Every great innovator has a touch of arrogance.

Humility does not factor into it in most cases. If he were truly humble, he probably would never have been great. There usually is a driving factor at work.

And arrogance is not necessarily a bad thing all of the time. It is just when that encroaches on humility that it becomes a problem.

and ummm ... this 2019 squad may have that kinda talent

CooterBrown · Jul 2, 2019

Established1971 said:
but Roger didnt play much at all before 1971, why would you just put an inexperienced person in a super bowl? Are you sure you were mad then or is it your memory playing tricks (I ask respectfully)?

No. Having watched him play at Navy, I knew how good Roger was. And seeing Morton throw those limp ducks and ground balls while displaying an absolute inability to avoid a pass rusher really got me hopping mad.

MichaelValentino · Jul 2, 2019

Number1 said:
several thoughts

the most interesting about them is that they were designed to score a bunch of point and specifically to create more fans
both featured a 9 route passing tree, with post snap auto route adjustments based on coverage,
with just 3 receivers in a pattern and a 9 route tree, that's 3 ^ 9 = 19,863 possible route combos you can call

I think that should be 9^3 = 729 possible combinations. If you laid out the possibilities from a 3 (column = a) by 9 (row = b) matrix, I think the total combinations would be b raised to the a power.

MichaelValentino · Jul 2, 2019

Number1 said:
yeah,I hate to say it but Swann and Stallworth, made it easy

BTW, that's Landry with a capital "L"

The 78 Cowboys were solid pretty much everywhere and most positions had good depth, with the exception of CB. The starting corners were the weak link on that team and Bradshaw took advantage. The short pass to Stallworth should have been contained but it went for 75 yd, padding Bradshaw's stat line. Still, Barnes and Kyle were no match for Swann and Stallworth. The 71 Dallas corners on the 78 team would result in a different outcome. I'd even take Kevin Smith on Swann or Stallworth, especially given how difficult he made things for Jerry Rice.

Swann's 4th quarter catch was a thing of beauty. Cliff Harris had no chance providing support. I'm not sure Ed Reed or Ronnie Lott make a play on that ball.

Pittsburgh could not run all day. The only run of substance was the 22 yd TD run on the inside trap by Harris in the 4th quarter. Even on that play, Charlie Waters was rushing over to fill that gap and ran into the official. All the breaks went to the Steelers in that one.

MichaelValentino · Jul 2, 2019

Red Dragon said:
Landry's problem was that he was an innovator in his heyday, but many innovators are precisely the kind of people who cannot adapt to changing times. They think they are such great innovators that they will always be the pioneer and not realize that they have themselves been out-innovated. You see this phenomenon in business, technology, management etc. as well.

Give Dorsett 30 carries in Super Bowl XIII and Dallas might be the champs.

I've been saying the same for years. Even in interviews years later, some of the Steelers spoke of how difficult it was to stop Dorsett that day. I love Coach Landry, but that day in Miami, he didn't call his best game. The first three snaps from scrimmage, the Cowboys were blowing Joe Greene and the D-line off the ball. Dorsett had 37 or 38 yd on his first three carries. Then, the ill-fated double reverse. The Steelers were back on their heels and ready to be gashed, and Landry got cute. In the 1st quarter in SB XII vs Denver, a trick play almost ended up with a turnover in Cowboys territory. Later, the fullback pass by Newhouse to Golden Richards worked for the TD. But in SB XIII, Landry should have ran the ball until that vaunted front seven stuffed Dallas. I'm not sure how many inside handoffs he gave to Newhouse in that game but I'd have kept calling TD's number with Newhouse as lead blocker. It could have meant a different game had they drove the opening kickoff down the field. Dorsett was the fastest player on the field and he should have had 35 touches at a minimum.

What could have been.....

Number1 · Jul 2, 2019

MichaelValentino said:
The 78 Cowboys were solid pretty much everywhere and most positions had good depth, with the exception of CB.

bingo, Stallworth & Swann ate our CBs for a half time snack

1970 NFC Championship Dallas Cowboys at San Francisco

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What's it going to be then, eh?

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What's it going to be then, eh?

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