Lame Duck Coach

Ranching said:

So, he has no pride. Got it! I agree.

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Wasn't that the best Garrett/Romo season...

acr731 said:

So we stick with the status quo and never strive for more and never accomplish anything more simply because there might be worse than Garrett out there.

Sounds reasonable.

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I didn’t say that, you just better be pretty damn sure you’re making the right move because 8 to 13 wins and consistently in the playoff hunt every year is something many franchises would kill for. Since JG became the HC, we have either clinched a playoff birth or been in contention going into the final week in 7 out of 8 seasons.

TWOK11 said:

I didn’t say that, you just better be pretty damn sure you’re making the right move because 8 to 13 wins and consistently in the playoff hunt every year is something many franchises would kill for. Since JG became the HC, we have either clinched a playoff birth or been in contention going into the final week in 7 out of 8 seasons.

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He has a point. We could continue spinning the wheel with more puppets. If this as good as it gets with Garrett does it really matter if we can’t win a championship?

To some fans it doesn’t. It’s a SB or Bust mentality. If you’re not winning or at least playing for championships, you suk. I get it.

Personally I’d prefer the consistent product or contender hoping for an eventual breakthrough than the up and downs of a revolving door since our HC’s don’t have total control anyway.

Ranching said:

For coaches it's pride, not money. If it's all about the money, they shouldn't be coaching.

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You mentioned "paying their bills", I didn't, so apparently money means something.

My point was, and is, money shouldn't be an issue for JG. Of course pride means something to a coach. It means something to anyone in a leadership position.

He’s worth around 100 million by now. He seems to be comfortable with any decision jetty and Stephen make at this moment. If he gets fired m it could be a bit embarrassing, but it may actually releive him from the burden of reaching or winning a super bowl for Jerry. I really think he is over his head and has convinced himself that following jones blindly will absolve him of any shortcomings. He calls his obedience of Jones , The Process . In a funny and sarcastic twist , the military generals who massacred thousands in Argentina’s civil war called that The Process as well .
This thing with jason will end up in a lot of body bags , figuratively.

Ranching said:

I coached a long time and I saw many lame duck coaches. Thank goodness I was never in that situation, but those that were did not handle it very well. I was close to five coaches that went through that and spoke to them regularly. The pressure they were under was immense. Beyond worrying about paying their bills, the hit to their ego that they might be fired was tough. Do you think Garrett is worried? Yes or no?

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He may be worried, but I don't see him as a lame duck. There nothing certain about him getting dumped. I'd say it probably *doesn't* happen.

CouchCoach said:

No, I don't think he's worried at all. I think he already knows what's in store for him should he not be extended, either with the Cowboys or another team. I do think he'll get offers because of the lack of good coaches available and he's networked very well and it wouldn't surprise me if his agent has already heard from some interested parties in case he does leave Dallas.

He's only lame duck if he knows this is his last season with the Cowboys. I don't think he's approaching this season with that mentality.

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He will never get another HCing job after this one!!, unless a new owner wants his talent to under achieve every year.

TWOK11 said:

I didn’t say that, you just better be pretty damn sure you’re making the right move because 8 to 13 wins and consistently in the playoff hunt every year is something many franchises would kill for. Since JG became the HC, we have either clinched a playoff birth or been in contention going into the final week in 7 out of 8 seasons.

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Any mediocre coach can get us between 8 and 10 wins each year with our roster. JG is living proof of that. If that's all you want than stick with Garrett.

TWOK11 said:

I didn’t say that, you just better be pretty damn sure you’re making the right move because 8 to 13 wins and consistently in the playoff hunt every year is something many franchises would kill for. Since JG became the HC, we have either clinched a playoff birth or been in contention going into the final week in 7 out of 8 seasons.

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Wade Phillips went 13-3, 9-7, and 11-5 before the fateful season that saw the beginning of the Garrett era. Wade won a playoff game the season before he got fired too.

So explain why Garrett gets such a long leash when Wade's performance was possibly better with similar results?

acr731 said:

Wade Phillips went 13-3, 9-7, and 11-5 before the fateful season that saw the beginning of the Garrett era. Wade won a playoff game the season before he got fired too.

So explain why Garrett gets such a long leash when Wade's performance was possibly better with similar results?

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Great question ..

I’d say Jerry thinks he’s getting close and since he’s comfortable with Garrett as his puppet doesn’t want to change course because Jerry doesn’t believe the type of HC he’d bring in will put them over the top anyway. And certainly doesn’t want a high profile coach coming in to steal the credit he’s been pursuing. Jerry doesn’t want to win that bad,

And if hadn’t collapsed would have stuck with Wade longer. Garrett is a similar total collapse away from being fired as well.

Diehardblues said:

Yep..,All part of Jerry’s idea of a puppet HC which provides Jerry the opportunity to receive more credit if they have success than he had with Jimmy. The Perfect Puppet.

Garrett is a product of the dysfunctional organization whose greatest attribute is his influence over the chaotic ownership holding together the team throughout all of the distractions Jerry’s mgmt style creates.

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I don’t see it quite the same. Yes it’s true Garrett doesn’t have some of the power many coaches do, put he does actually coach the team. Jerry isn’t calling schemes or plays or running practices or making in game decisions. But you are right that Jerry keeps his name in the middle so he can take credit. Part of that is having the GM title, but part is him putting himself in front of the camera much more than other GMs. He essentially does the same with the NFL as a wholee, speaking on league issues and sitting on committees.

Captain43Crash said:

He will never get another HCing job after this one!!, unless a new owner wants his talent to under achieve every year.

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I would be willing to bet he does. There are owners that would gladly change the results of their past 5 seasons with Garrett's and you underestimate his networking. They gave him a standing ovation at the owners' meeting when he addressed the integrity of the game regarding the reviewable PI call.

I know a lot here can't stand him but they're blinded as to his future, if he's not extended. That wasn't a casual comment Booger made about him getting 5 offers, he knows of at least 2 Garrett would get. He started his coaching career as a player/coach for the Giants and WAS could be looking after this season. Garrett is 11-5 against Snyder's team and 10-6 against Mara's. Both have young QB's and whether you like it or not, he's given credit for developing an UDFA and 4th rounder into pb QB's.

How in the hell did Fox and Turner get so many coaching gigs? It's all about promote from within and recycling.

And the one major thing you underestimate is the knowledge all of those owners have about how involved the Joneses are in coaching duties. You also are not considering why these GM's and owners hire certain coaches. It's not all about getting a ring, it's about the image projected and reflected on the franchise. No coach is as comfortable in front of a mic or at ease with the media as Garrett.

Garrett is the poster boy for "You're Always 17 in Your Hometown". He is far more appreciated by others than here, your world is not the universe.

TWOK11 said:

I didn’t say that, you just better be pretty damn sure you’re making the right move because 8 to 13 wins and consistently in the playoff hunt every year is something many franchises would kill for. Since JG became the HC, we have either clinched a playoff birth or been in contention going into the final week in 7 out of 8 seasons.

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It’s a huge point for sure...he has his weaknesses no doubt and earlier in his coaching career made some big game management mistakes but he has shown that he can take the team to the playoffs. He needs to take them deeper which I think he does this year and then the conversation starts to change

OmerV said:

I don’t see it quite the same. Yes it’s true Garrett doesn’t have some of the power many coaches do, put he does actually coach the team. Jerry isn’t calling schemes or plays or running practices or making in game decisions. But you are right that Jerry keeps his name in the middle so he can take credit. Part of that is having the GM title, but part is him putting himself in front of the camera much more than other GMs. He essentially does the same with the NFL as a wholee, speaking on league issues and sitting on committees.

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Show me another owner that wants the mic. These men aren't media mavens, they eschew the media like taxes.

Booger saw the celebrity status that Johnson got in Dallas and wanted him some of that. And who could blame him. He caught all of the Landry heat, time to bask in a little glory. And as he ages, he only becomes worse because there's nothing more a 75 year old man fears more than irrelevancy. That's why we know about the price of his toys, he's just showing off.

Those that think Garrett would languish on the beach do not take into consideration the pass he gets because of who he works for. These owners regard him about like they did Crazy Al. The only difference is that Al really did know football.

PA Cowboy Fan said:

Any mediocre coach can get us between 8 and 10 wins each year with our roster. JG is living proof of that. If that's all you want than stick with Garrett.

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A lot of coaches with no more success than Garrett have had second chances with other teams.

CouchCoach said:

Show me another owner that wants the mic. These men aren't media mavens, they eschew the media like taxes.

Booger saw the celebrity status that Johnson got in Dallas and wanted him some of that. And who could blame him. He caught all of the Landry heat, time to bask in a little glory. And as he ages, he only becomes worse because there's nothing more a 75 year old man fears more than irrelevancy. That's why we know about the price of his toys, he's just showing off.

Those that think Garrett would languish on the beach do not take into consideration the pass he gets because of who he works for. These owners regard him about like they did Crazy Al. The only difference is that Al really did know football.

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This is why I shake my head when people suggest Jerry has turned the team over to Stephen and McClay. Jerry may be a little better about allowing input and making collective decisions than he used to be, but he is still the guy that wants the credit and has the final say and can override anyone else in the front office when he chooses. And he will stay in front of the camera.

I still say that as long as jerry jones is the gm and garrett is the head coach this team will be average at best jerry likes the credit and the money and being in the spotlight to much to allow any one else to share it with him that's why he let jimmy go you have pretty much seen the ceiling of this team the last couple years

Jipper said:

It’s a huge point for sure...he has his weaknesses no doubt and earlier in his coaching career made some big game management mistakes but he has shown that he can take the team to the playoffs. He needs to take them deeper which I think he does this year and then the conversation starts to change

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LMAO, you do not take into consideration the depth of the loathing some have for him. They blame him for everything and give him credit for nothing.

Other franchises come from 3-5 to winning their division and a playoff game, the fans aren't calling for the HC's head. Sone here actually blame him for losing the playoff game.

Jipper, this forum is exactly like our old one in one main regard. Once they get down on a coach or a player, they will never let him up. He could win the SB and Prescott be MVP and not one will make a retraction. Some still bring up icing his own kicker. That was 8 years ago. How in the hell would anyone here like their mistakes of 8 years ago brought up?

This is just like the lack of credit given to Booger for changing, learning and improving. The talent gets better but anyone else is responsible, he couldn't have learned from his mistakes. How convenient and narrow minded.

People make mistakes and they either learn from them or they don't. While Garrett is not my choice, the man has gotten better and won the East 3 of the last 5 seasons and the ignorance of the comment he could never win the SB, he'd find a way to screw it up, is one of the more ridiculous comments put forth here.

Ranching said:

I coached a long time and I saw many lame duck coaches. Thank goodness I was never in that situation, but those that were did not handle it very well. I was close to five coaches that went through that and spoke to them regularly. The pressure they were under was immense. Beyond worrying about paying their bills, the hit to their ego that they might be fired was tough. Do you think Garrett is worried? Yes or no?

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he deserved it, didnt earn another deal given the colts game and them no real answer for the Rams..this is what happens when you havnt made a NFCCG in 10years you've been coaching..hes not bad but Jerry wants better, some progress.. do it or lets move on..

OmerV said:

This is why I shake my head when people suggest Jerry has turned the team over to Stephen and McClay. Jerry may be a little better about allowing input and making collective decisions than he used to be, but he is still the guy that wants the credit and has the final say and can override anyone else in the front office when he chooses. And he will stay in front of the camera.

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It is nothing more than wishful thinking and selective deductive reasoning but what it really is unawareness of the mind of a man his age.

I am a few years behind him but I think I understand his reluctance to back off. He might if he could get that ring but he's basking in his own relevance. If men here don't think once you cross over into that 70 area it affects you, they should try it. And a man that has accomplished what he has comes face to face with mortality and legacy. The clock is ticking in his head and the score is still Jimmy 2, Booger 0. And he's reminded every time Jimmy shows up in the Metroplex and the local media anoints him all over again. He can make all the money he can but he can't buy that feeling away.

Might sound childish and trivial to us but emotional IQ's are a funny thing. I have a friend that is in his late 70's and has accomplished twice what I could have dreamed of accomplishing and when we get together and have a couple of cocktails, it will eventually get around to comparing himself to his brother and in his mind, he can never measure up. It is a filter he puts over the lens when he looks in the mirror and it is baffling.