Lame Duck Coach

glimmerman · Jul 7, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Ya know, let me offer myself up for ridicule. I think Garrett is a good coach. Not a great coach but I don't see many of those around and none available. That said, I wouldn't object to a change but I do not assume that will be a positive change.

This is kind of like that old debate about Dak that I couldn't get a good answer to, if not him, then what HC will it be? Sean Payton? Is he that great? Really? He's a good offensive mind but is he a great HC? Want Riley from OU? The Big 12, they view defense as some guys we have to have to call it a team. And there again, he's an offensive guy.

And while I am on Payton, do me a favor, if you get the chance. Take a look at how he handled the play calling at the end of that Rams game. That PI didn't cost them the game, his play calling did. If that had been the Cowboys with Garrett, this site would have brought the internet down.

So, you good with Marinelli or Richard as the DC with an offensive HC pulling double duty? Because the Rams were smart and got McVay one of the best DC's in the league.

Oh wait, you think the Joneses are going to let this new HC hire his own crew? Don't think so. And Riley is in the same boat as Kingsbury, he doesn't know any NFL guys. Which would make him the perfect choice so the Joneses can fill out the coaching staff.

So, until something better comes along, I can live with Garrett because I do give him credit with getting through to Booger about the foundation. I think Garrett is one of those good voices in Booger's ear. And he's not as bad a sideline coach as he used to be so I do think he could bring in that 6th ring, under the right circumstances.

What is the right circumstances though.. I have said before that in order to get a ring that these players have to win despite some of the staff.. JG conservative nature cost us a game or 2, then all the sudden he goes for every 4th and short.. I think in the rams game that Marinelli called the plays and ran the scheme, our up and coming future DC was off all week interviewing for HC jobs before the rams game, IMO the front office should have requested that he interviews after the season was over. Or maybe he should have told the teams he would interview after the season was done. We need all hands on deck with our staff during the playoffs. I think bellycheat is one of the best HC in the league and he of course has the best QB that helps, but if he was our HC for the rams game do you think it would have went different. Not just during the rams game but the week leading up to it..

CouchCoach · Jul 7, 2019

glimmerman said:
What is the right circumstances though.. I have said before that in order to get a ring that these players have to win despite some of the staff.. JG conservative nature cost us a game or 2, then all the sudden he goes for every 4th and short.. I think in the rams game that Marinelli called the plays and ran the scheme, our up and coming future DC was off all week interviewing for HC jobs before the rams game, IMO the front office should have requested that he interviews after the season was over. Or maybe he should have told the teams he would interview after the season was done. We need all hands on deck with our staff during the playoffs. I think bellycheat is one of the best HC in the league and he of course has the best QB that helps, but if he was our HC for the rams game do you think it would have went different. Not just during the rams game but the week leading up to it..

Right circumstances would be the talent to be a true contender and health. And most teams that win the SB have a little bit more luck on their side.

I look at this team, talent wise, as objectively as a I can and did not see them any better than 4th or 5th last season. That's where they ended up so they didn't over or underachieve. I do feel in 2016 they overachieved and followed that in 2017 with an under.

Here's my main problem with Garrett, where are the tactics when the strategy isn't working? Is there anyone in the room when they devise that week's game plan to ask "what if this doesn't work? What if they're prepared for what we want to do"?

Was there anyone in the room when they were preparing to go to ATL to face a team fighting for their season to ask "what if Chaz Green can't do this? What's our backup plan"? They should have gone in expecting him to fail. They were lucky ole CC wasn't the owner or not only would I have not let that offensive coaching staff on a plane headed home, I would have called the police and had them arrested for trespassing in the locker room.

Diehardblues · Jul 7, 2019

glimmerman said:
What is the right circumstances though.. I have said before that in order to get a ring that these players have to win despite some of the staff.. JG conservative nature cost us a game or 2, then all the sudden he goes for every 4th and short.. I think in the rams game that Marinelli called the plays and ran the scheme, our up and coming future DC was off all week interviewing for HC jobs before the rams game, IMO the front office should have requested that he interviews after the season was over. Or maybe he should have told the teams he would interview after the season was done. We need all hands on deck with our staff during the playoffs. I think bellycheat is one of the best HC in the league and he of course has the best QB that helps, but if he was our HC for the rams game do you think it would have went different. Not just during the rams game but the week leading up to it..

Good questions..

In many cases like in the playoffs we don’t have an advantage in coaching so we need an advantage in talent. That is the “right circumstance” we probably need.

Our coaching on the most part isn’t costing us games against equal or lesser talented teams. Just not able to overcome against greater coaching and similar talent.

ArtClink · Jul 7, 2019

ESisback said:
No matter what happens, he’ll likely enjoy life with far more fame and fortune and happiness than most.

Garretts post head coaching career will be viewed as a eunich, puppet hc who not in charge of anything but gametime clock mgt. Instead of hiring a winning hc w winning track record (no salary cap on hiring coaches), we continue to take Garretts and Kellen "Doc" Moore, guys with no experience, and hand them the keys to the kingdom and let them learn on the job. The results speak for themselves (ref 24 yr nfc championship appearance drought).

Diehardblues · Jul 7, 2019

Great or elite coaching is simply an asset Jerry’s not going to allow.

It’s going to be very challenging for this franchise to seriously contend for a Super Bowl without a #1 defense and or Elite QB. Especially without an Elite HC.

Diehardblues · Jul 7, 2019

ArtClink said:
Garretts post head coaching career will be viewed as a eunich, puppet hc who not in charge of anything but gametime clock mgt. Instead of hiring a winning hc w winning track record (no salary cap on hiring coaches), we continue to take Garretts and Kellen "Doc" Moore, guys with no experience, and hand them the keys to the kingdom and let them learn on the job. The results speak for themselves (ref 24 yr nfc championship appearance drought).

Right

And why I’m not as critical on our coaching. Not sure why we expect more from them? It appears to me they’re probably doing all they’re capable of. I’m more critical of who’s keeping them in place and not recruiting greater coaching.

ArtClink · Jul 7, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Right

And why I’m not as critical on our coaching. Not sure why we expect more from them? It appears to me they’re probably doing all they’re capable of. I’m more critical of who’s keeping them in place and not recruiting greater coaching.

Exactly. Jones handicap #27 is the self limitation of only hiring whipping boy, soft coaches Jerry is comfortable with. 24 years and counting ...

ESisback · Jul 7, 2019

ArtClink said:
Garretts post head coaching career will be viewed as a eunich, puppet hc who not in charge of anything but gametime clock mgt. Instead of hiring a winning hc w winning track record (no salary cap on hiring coaches), we continue to take Garretts and Kellen "Doc" Moore, guys with no experience, and hand them the keys to the kingdom and let them learn on the job. The results speak for themselves (ref 24 yr nfc championship appearance drought).

Unhappy people will always complain and criticize far more accomplished people.

Bullflop · Jul 7, 2019

big dog cowboy said:
Not only no, but hell no.

Why should Garrett be worried?

If a miracle happened and he was replaced he would just get kicked upstairs.

The Jones' family won't completely cut that cord.

Judging by the fact that JG has already lasted this long, that seems pretty reasonable to conclude! :laugh:

The Joneses evidently have their favorites. They're fans not only of players but some coaches, too. :muttley:

Jipper · Jul 7, 2019

CouchCoach said:
LMAO, you do not take into consideration the depth of the loathing some have for him. They blame him for everything and give him credit for nothing.

Other franchises come from 3-5 to winning their division and a playoff game, the fans aren't calling for the HC's head. Sone here actually blame him for losing the playoff game.

Jipper, this forum is exactly like our old one in one main regard. Once they get down on a coach or a player, they will never let him up. He could win the SB and Prescott be MVP and not one will make a retraction. Some still bring up icing his own kicker. That was 8 years ago. How in the hell would anyone here like their mistakes of 8 years ago brought up?

This is just like the lack of credit given to Booger for changing, learning and improving. The talent gets better but anyone else is responsible, he couldn't have learned from his mistakes. How convenient and narrow minded.

People make mistakes and they either learn from them or they don't. While Garrett is not my choice, the man has gotten better and won the East 3 of the last 5 seasons and the ignorance of the comment he could never win the SB, he'd find a way to screw it up, is one of the more ridiculous comments put forth here.

very well said my friend...people forget Garrett got the job a bit early and lacking experience bc he was highly sought aftwr....that means he was likely to make mistakes esp in the early years, many of which he has non put behind him. I hope with linehan gone and Moore calling plays we will see a much more edgy cowboys that will be exciting....a 4th nfc championship in 6 yewrs this year and 2 playoff wins is my hope

Falco78 · Jul 7, 2019

Overpaid, under coached....

Ranched · Jul 7, 2019

Ranching said:
I coached a long time and I saw many lame duck coaches. Thank goodness I was never in that situation, but those that were did not handle it very well. I was close to five coaches that went through that and spoke to them regularly. The pressure they were under was immense. Beyond worrying about paying their bills, the hit to their ego that they might be fired was tough. Do you think Garrett is worried? Yes or no?

Lol. Someone had to have read your post Ranchy. Two-time Super Bowl winner believes Dallas Cowboys can win NFC: https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0MGw8AvK?s=a2&pd=02Mc933E

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CowboyRoy · Jul 7, 2019

Idgit said:
A lame duck would be a coach playing out the string when a successor had already been named.

Garrett’s just on a one year deal. Something he’s done frequently in his career as a backup QB, and something he’s been through before as a HC.

Besides, in the NFL, a lot of people have job security that’s only as good as their last season. It’s the nature of the game. Maybe it provides a bit of extra incentive for him or for the players who all seem to like him. Though I don’t think it ends up being much of an issue, either way.

And look who swoops in to defend his hero?

Sorry, but the EXACT definition of a lame duck coach is Garrett. He is the in the last year of a contract. There is NOTHING you can do or say to alter the definition.

Garrett is currently a "Lame Duck" coach at the moment. Doesn't matter if he has been it before. He is still a "Lame Duck" coach.

And he currently resides in that status for no other reason then the Owner isn't satisfied with the job he is doing.

Ironic how even one of the teams best seasons under Garrett, the Owner isn't buying it.

ESisback · Jul 7, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
And look who swoops in to defend his hero?

Sorry, but the EXACT definition of a lame duck coach is Garrett. He is the in the last year of a contract. There is NOTHING you can do or say to alter the definition.

Garrett is currently a "Lame Duck" coach at the moment. Doesn't matter if he has been it before. He is still a "Lame Duck" coach.

And he currently resides in that status for no other reason then the Owner isn't satisfied with the job he is doing.

Ironic how even one of the teams best seasons under Garrett, the Owner isn't buying it.

He’s right though. Whether or not Garrett is his “personal hero” is irrelevant. The definition of lame duck includes the naming of a successor.

Idgit · Jul 7, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
And look who swoops in to defend his hero?

Sorry, but the EXACT definition of a lame duck coach is Garrett. He is the in the last year of a contract. There is NOTHING you can do or say to alter the definition.

Garrett is currently a "Lame Duck" coach at the moment. Doesn't matter if he has been it before. He is still a "Lame Duck" coach.

And he currently resides in that status for no other reason then the Owner isn't satisfied with the job he is doing.

Ironic how even one of the teams best seasons under Garrett, the Owner isn't buying it.

That’s not what a lame duck is. A lame duck is a person in his last term who already has a successor in place and is finishing out his term anyway. Sorry you’re wrong again.

Idgit · Jul 7, 2019

ESisback said:
He’s right though. Whether or not Garrett is his “personal hero” is irrelevant. The definition of lame duck includes the naming of a successor.

Of course I’m right. It’s CowboyRoy.

Fire407 · Jul 7, 2019

Whatever you want to call his status, I'm just glad that he's unextended beyond this season and I hope he stays that way.

CowboyRoy · Jul 7, 2019

ESisback said:
He’s right though. Whether or not Garrett is his “personal hero” is irrelevant. The definition of lame duck includes the naming of a successor.

LOL....…...so is he just lame or just a duck then?

Either way you slice it, if he was going a great job, he would already have a contract.

But I think we all know that his hero will get a new contract even if we go 8-8 this season.

CowboyRoy · Jul 7, 2019

Idgit said:
That’s not what a lame duck is. A lame duck is a person in his last term who already has a successor in place and is finishing out his term anyway. Sorry you’re wrong again.

Actually, I stand corrected.

For once, you are right.

Unlike you, I can easily admit when I am wrong.

CCBoy · Jul 7, 2019

Idgit said:
That’s not what a lame duck is. A lame duck is a person in his last term who already has a successor in place and is finishing out his term anyway. Sorry you’re wrong again.

Did someone mention a 'lame duck?'

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