NBA Offseason

darthseinfeld · Jul 12, 2019

Are the Thunder gonna trade Paul now

Manwiththeplan · Jul 12, 2019

CowboysRock1980 said:
Bad trade by Thunder, they could have done better

I don’t think the market was there

Manwiththeplan · Jul 12, 2019

kskboys said:
2 firsts and the option to swap firsts in two other drafts? Don't see how.

The swap will go unused, there is almost no chance the Rockets pick lands ahead of Oklahoma’s

CowboysRock1980 · Jul 12, 2019

darthseinfeld said:
Are the Thunder gonna trade Paul now

No, Thunder said they are going to keep him, that is why Thunder traded for him

CowboysRock1980 · Jul 12, 2019

Now I just saw that Paul's agent will talk to Thunder in the coming days to see what is next but if Paul does not want to be in Oklahoma City then Thunder is going to try to trade him to his preferred destination but good luck with that, it will be harder to move him

RoyTheHammer · Jul 12, 2019

CowboysRock1980 said:
Bad trade by Thunder, they could have done better

Are you kidding? They won this trade for sure. Got just as good of a player back, a smaller contract, 2 1sts and 2 1st round swaps.

They now have aquired 8 first round picks over the.next 6 years..plus.4 swaps. Meaning they'll have 14 1sts over the next 6 years..many of them lottery picks most likely. They did great as far as speeding up the rebuild. Also got a good young player in SGA to start to build.

Russ in Houston though? Don't see that working out. Love to watch him play but he and Harden seem like an odd couple together.

RoyTheHammer · Jul 12, 2019

CowboysRock1980 said:
I mean get a better player than Paul plus those picks are so far away

Lol who do you think was knocking down the door to take Russ?

RoyTheHammer · Jul 12, 2019

Manwiththeplan said:
The swap will go unused, there is almost no chance the Rockets pick lands ahead of Oklahoma’s

The swaps are for later years. A few years from now I can see the Thunder being better than Houston. I don't see Houston as being a very good team even now tbh. Either way though..just means they get the better picks those years. If they don't need to use them..they still have 14 1sts in the next 6. Lol

CowboysRock1980 · Jul 12, 2019

RoyTheHammer said:
Are you kidding? They won this trade for sure. Got just as good of a player back, a smaller contract, 2 1sts and 2 1st round swaps.

They now have aquired 8 first round picks over the.next 6 years..plus.4 swaps. Meaning they'll have 14 1sts over the next 6 years..many of them lottery picks most likely. They did great as far as speeding up the rebuild. Also got a good young player in SGA to start to build.

Russ in Houston though? Don't see that working out. Love to watch him play but he and Harden seem like an odd couple together.

You forgot Harden and Westbrook played together in Oklahoma City? You are right, Thunder did get a good player back except he is older, declining, and always get hurt

RoyTheHammer · Jul 12, 2019

CowboysRock1980 said:
You forgot Harden and Westbrook played together in Oklahoma City?

A decade ago, yup. They're games don't mesh though. Both ball dominant. Both low efficiency players on offense. Both average to below average defensive players.

I don't see it.going well and the rest of that roster is pretty questionable as well.

jterrell · Jul 12, 2019

Good trade for both sides.

OKC wanted to collect assets and they were able to jettison Westbrook and gain a lot more assets.

Russ actually DOES fit in HOU.
It's a weaker league without the GSW or TOR of last year.
Russ is a great athlete that is more than fine so long as he doesn't shoot the ball.
He is a superb rebounder.

Russ and Harden play to have fun.
CP3 is a killjoy dictator type.

HOU was maxed out in every way so this works out well for them EXCEPT that they could be pretty bad when some of those picks finally do hit.
Give up a couple top 10 picks and this deal looks very different than if they are in the 20s.

OKC likely will want to move CP3 and may have to pay freight to do so but someone like say CHA?
Perhaps they'd take CP3 with an R1 and out-going bad contract salary to match.

visionary · Jul 12, 2019

Decent trade for Houston, not sure how it’ll work but at least they have a chance. All depends on how Harden and Russ work together.

Bad trade for OKC. Got aging player who has a massive contract and has injury history. The rd 1 picks are many years out so no way to know. The only way it works for OKC us if they are both lottery picks and they can trade away Paul

RoyTheHammer · Jul 12, 2019

People who think this was a bad trade for.OKC.. lol

darthseinfeld · Jul 13, 2019

RoyTheHammer said:
People who think this was a bad trade for.OKC.. lol

Just think of the amount of options they will have in a couple years. So much capital. For the immediate future they can build a new young core out of there own draft picks ( with SGA as a solid starting building block) if by 2021 or 2022 they haven't had much luck in the draft (especially considering the NBA draft is even more of a crapshoot than the NFL), they can use those picks in trade to build a core

jterrell · Jul 13, 2019

CowboysRock1980 said:
I mean get a better player than Paul plus those picks are so far away

Hard to move that kind of salary once cap space is all spent and you gotta send him where he wants to go.
Doing right by Russ was big.
Getting all those picks was huge.
Far away, yes but at a time when Rockets should be tailing off badly and very trade-able after a couple seasons once you've tanked and added top 5 draft picks to build around and they have so many they can include them to dump salary.
Sped up version of Philly's Process.

MIA apparently refused to include the young guys so not much else was really out there.
Not sure Russ was keen on Detroit.

Do like the deal for HOU big-time short-term but was a bit of desperation. Chemistry and defense improve big-time but offensive efficiency likely suffers.

jterrell · Jul 13, 2019

Manwiththeplan said:
The swap will go unused, there is almost no chance the Rockets pick lands ahead of Oklahoma’s

Not sure that's true come 2023-5.
Harden and Russ at 80m cap alone and big guards aged 32-33 to 34-35..
That team could tail off badly.
But it'd be worth it if they win a title now.

CalPolyTechnique · Jul 13, 2019

The thought of CP3 ending his career in OKC makes me smile.

jterrell · Jul 13, 2019

My NBA FA/off-season Grades
Eastern Atlantic

TOR: F. Obvious one here with KL and Green both moving on. Stings a lot less with a title in your pocket tho.
PHI: D. Tough grade here perhaps but they lost Jimmy Butler for very little, Redick for nothing, overpaid Tobias and overpaid Horford. Philly might be really good next year but the off-season wasn't kind at all and could see them step back.
BOS: C. BOS lost Kyrie, Horford and Morris for nothing. They snagged a perfect fit in Kemba but paid a small shooter the max. Like their chances next year better than I liked their off-season.
BRK: A-. If you win 2 superstars in FA then you win. But paying surly Kyrie and injured KD all that money is definitely a risk but one with huge upside.
NYK: D-. Rating this anything other than an F is just acknowledging they didn't mess up their ability to truly top the next 2 seasons.

jterrell · Jul 13, 2019

My NBA FA/off-season Grades
Eastern Central

MIL: B+. Resigned everyone they wanted except Brogdon whom they were able to slip for a 1st. Added value good chemistry vets.
IND: C. Added Brogdon who fits really nicely next to Oladipo but paid handsomely, lost Thad Young and Bogan.
DET: C-. .500 club that tread water. Swapped Wayne Ellington for Derrick Rose.
CHI: C+. Added Thad Young and and Satoransky wothout losing anything of note.
CLE: D-. Really bad team that stood pat. Needs to get something for aging but quality vets but cap space has dried up all over. Paying off title debt.

jterrell · Jul 13, 2019

My NBA FA/off-season Grades
Eastern Southeast

ORL: B+. Resigning Vucevic and snagging Aminu were key. Re-upping Terrence Ross was simply smart business. Team has collected assets now that can be moved for a star player.
CHA: D-: I don't love paying 6'1" shooters max dollars long term but losing Walker for nothing and overpaying for a substandard replacement seems really, really bad.
MIA: C. MIA was aggressive and got a star but MINN tried Jimmy plus good kids and that failed big-time possibly ruining Wiggins for life.
WAS: C: Essentially sat out off-season. Beal deal or osme miracle is needed to give the team direction.
ATL: C-: Lost Dedmon but mostly stood pat with their building project.Two lotto picks will add to young core.

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