NBA Offseason

CowboysRock1980 · Jul 15, 2019

jterrell said:
The guy Philly should target is Bradley Beal. Josh Richardson and/or Ben Simmons would be great bait there.
Then get a tough little PG that can play like the Mavs and Nova's own Brunson as a cheap back up PG.

Wizards said they are not trading Beal so you can forget it

Johnny23 · Jul 16, 2019

jterrell said:
That totally fair just odd to sign a guy over 30 in that scenario.
Stealing someone like Oubre would've appealed more to me.
Then again maybe Thad becomes a value asset at trade deadline.

I just hate improving 2-3 games on poor teams with no upside to it.

I think Otto Porter,Jr. is going to break out this year. I think we'll improve more than 2-3 games especially if Lavine can stay healthy.

jterrell · Jul 16, 2019

RoyTheHammer said:
JJ shot under 40% from 3 last year.

You are failing to understand that his offense didn't make up for his poor defense. I'll gladly take a guy who scores 2 pts less a game and plays much better D.

Also Jimmy only was a 34% 3pt shooter. Very average. Jonah Bolden, Mike Scott and Zhaire Smith all shot higher.percentages.

Also Tobias is clearly not a 32% shooter from 3. He got in a funk last year.but the first half of the season he was over 40% and the past few seasons he's been over 40%.

You simply don't know what you're talking about here. This team will be.a ok without JJ and JB, don't worry.

The one thing I can assure you, is I know exactly what I am talking about. LOL.

Same as I did last year btw when I argued Lakers front office was trash and had so many butt hurt Lakers fans on here. I said they should operate as an over the cap team, trade for AD and use exemptions to fill out with quality veterans that aren't either kids or near retirement. A year later they didn't learn a thing and have an ugly roster again after LBJ and now AD with virtually no upside either short-term or long.

You are spouting homeristic nonsense which I kinda understand but this is a DALLAS team based board so likely not many rabid Philly fans.

Tobias fell off badly in 3PT% ON THIS TEAM IN THIS OFFENSE. That's the issue. This is where he is and the offense has created even less space with the moves made this off-season.
Redick was coming off double screens and hitting hard to get 3PT shots.
He is a weak defender but an elite 3PT shooter.
Currently rated 4th in NBA2K fwiw.

Philly is a very talented team and will be OK. But they aren't elite and that's on them making poor off-season decisions and could go further and hurt them in coming seasons because of the high-priced contracts.

You are more than welcome to your own opinion as I am to mine on an off-season grade. I'd be shocked if any two people agreed on every grade for every team much less if homers agreed with opposing fans takes. But the issues I am bringing up aren't debatable, made up, or reaches of any sort. Philly absolutely did lose their best outside shooter and over 32 a game between two players. They did sign massive contracts for guys that are VERY questionable.

Danny Green got 15m a year as an aging 3 and D guy who only shoots wide open 3s and offers zero on offense but a spot up spacer.
Redick is a create your own 3 guy that shoots off the dribble, comes off screens and obviously can spot up such that he is absolutely worth 13Mx2.

The 76ers simply chose Horford. They 'needed' the cap space for him.
I think that was a terrible move that set the rest of the off-season for them.
They got Richardson but none of the Heat's young highly regarded prospects in that S%T.
Now they are locked in with that roster.
If it doesn't work they will quickly need to pivot to trades.

jterrell · Jul 16, 2019

CowboysRock1980 said:
Wizards said they are not trading Beal so you can forget it

They will eventually trade him. Her has 2 years remaining on his deal and they either pay him 30M plus for 5 years or risk getting nothing.
They are a 1 star team in a 2 star league coming off a 32-50 record and didn't notably improve.

They just weren't going to get much for him this off-season with so many players available to be had.
Next off-season there's nearly nothing out there so Beal will command far more.

jterrell · Jul 16, 2019

Johnny23 said:
I think Otto Porter,Jr. is going to break out this year. I think we'll improve more than 2-3 games especially if Lavine can stay healthy.

I do really like Otto. He's always a fave hypothetical target on Mavs boards.

Meant Bulls improving 2-3 games with just the Thad Young move not in total. Felt like he was more a playoff team type guy at this point.

jterrell · Jul 16, 2019

RoyTheHammer said:
No. Shaun Livingston however would be a great fit.

Livingston is another non-shooter. He didn't even attempt 3s on the best floor spacing team in basketball.

Anyone would take him on the free/vet min which is what it costs at this point but he doesn't help the Sixers shooting at all.
I think he goes to LAC where he can stay in state and provide 2nd/3rd PG duties on a title favorite surrounded by outside shooters.

ABQCOWBOY · Jul 16, 2019

jterrell said:
The one thing I can assure you, is I know exactly what I am talking about. LOL.

Same as I did last year btw when I argued Lakers front office was trash and had so many butt hurt Lakers fans on here. I said they should operate as an over the cap team, trade for AD and use exemptions to fill out with quality veterans that aren't either kids or near retirement. A year later they didn't learn a thing and have an ugly roster again after LBJ and now AD with virtually no upside either short-term or long.

You are spouting homeristic nonsense which I kinda understand but this is a DALLAS team based board so likely not many rabid Philly fans.

Edit: I do, however, agree with you that you have been consistent in the fact that you believed the Lakers needed to trade away their young pieces to acquire more experience.

Tobias fell off badly in 3PT% ON THIS TEAM IN THIS OFFENSE. That's the issue. This is where he is and the offense has created even less space with the moves made this off-season.
Redick was coming off double screens and hitting hard to get 3PT shots.
He is a weak defender but an elite 3PT shooter.
Currently rated 4th in NBA2K fwiw.

Philly is a very talented team and will be OK. But they aren't elite and that's on them making poor off-season decisions and could go further and hurt them in coming seasons because of the high-priced contracts.

You are more than welcome to your own opinion as I am to mine on an off-season grade. I'd be shocked if any two people agreed on every grade for every team much less if homers agreed with opposing fans takes. But the issues I am bringing up aren't debatable, made up, or reaches of any sort. Philly absolutely did lose their best outside shooter and over 32 a game between two players. They did sign massive contracts for guys that are VERY questionable.

Danny Green got 15m a year as an aging 3 and D guy who only shoots wide open 3s and offers zero on offense but a spot up spacer.
Redick is a create your own 3 guy that shoots off the dribble, comes off screens and obviously can spot up such that he is absolutely worth 13Mx2.

The 76ers simply chose Horford. They 'needed' the cap space for him.
I think that was a terrible move that set the rest of the off-season for them.
They got Richardson but none of the Heat's young highly regarded prospects in that S%T.
Now they are locked in with that roster.
If it doesn't work they will quickly need to pivot to trades.

I could be wrong but I thought you didn't believe the Lakers could sign AD last year. You believed that they didn't have the cap to afford two max players.

Edit: I do agree, however, that you have been very consistent in the fact that you believed the Lakers should trade away their young pieces to acquire more veterans.

RoyTheHammer · Jul 16, 2019

jterrell said:
Livingston is another non-shooter. He didn't even attempt 3s on the best floor spacing team in basketball.

Anyone would take him on the free/vet min which is what it costs at this point but he doesn't help the Sixers shooting at all.
I think he goes to LAC where he can stay in state and provide 2nd/3rd PG duties on a title favorite surrounded by outside shooters.

He'd be a great leader for our second unit, a vet presence who knows how to win, and has a great mid range game.

Not everything is about 3pt shooters..which again..we have more of then you know about on this team.

RoyTheHammer · Jul 16, 2019

jterrell said:
The one thing I can assure you, is I know exactly what I am talking about. LOL.

Same as I did last year btw when I argued Lakers front office was trash and had so many butt hurt Lakers fans on here. I said they should operate as an over the cap team, trade for AD and use exemptions to fill out with quality veterans that aren't either kids or near retirement. A year later they didn't learn a thing and have an ugly roster again after LBJ and now AD with virtually no upside either short-term or long.

You are spouting homeristic nonsense which I kinda understand but this is a DALLAS team based board so likely not many rabid Philly fans.

Tobias fell off badly in 3PT% ON THIS TEAM IN THIS OFFENSE. That's the issue. This is where he is and the offense has created even less space with the moves made this off-season.
Redick was coming off double screens and hitting hard to get 3PT shots.
He is a weak defender but an elite 3PT shooter.
Currently rated 4th in NBA2K fwiw.

Philly is a very talented team and will be OK. But they aren't elite and that's on them making poor off-season decisions and could go further and hurt them in coming seasons because of the high-priced contracts.

You are more than welcome to your own opinion as I am to mine on an off-season grade. I'd be shocked if any two people agreed on every grade for every team much less if homers agreed with opposing fans takes. But the issues I am bringing up aren't debatable, made up, or reaches of any sort. Philly absolutely did lose their best outside shooter and over 32 a game between two players. They did sign massive contracts for guys that are VERY questionable.

Danny Green got 15m a year as an aging 3 and D guy who only shoots wide open 3s and offers zero on offense but a spot up spacer.
Redick is a create your own 3 guy that shoots off the dribble, comes off screens and obviously can spot up such that he is absolutely worth 13Mx2.

The 76ers simply chose Horford. They 'needed' the cap space for him.
I think that was a terrible move that set the rest of the off-season for them.
They got Richardson but none of the Heat's young highly regarded prospects in that S%T.
Now they are locked in with that roster.
If it doesn't work they will quickly need to pivot to trades.

Tobias main struggle was his role in the offense. He had to take a back seat to everyone else on offense which never allowed him to find his groove.

Also..you assure.me you know the Sixers..then use a video game rating to back your point?

Lol ok dude..we will see how elite or not they are when they make it to the finals.

jterrell · Jul 16, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
I could be wrong but I thought you didn't believe the Lakers could sign AD last year. You believed that they didn't have the cap to afford two max players.

Edit: I do agree, however, that you have been very consistent in the fact that you believed the Lakers should trade away their young pieces to acquire more veterans.

Lakers did not have two max slots. They traded for AD so never even really had 1.
They had AD waive his 4M trade kicker then had WAS take on players for free with assets further gutting their roster(to 3 players under contract lol)... to not use the money on a star player at all.
That was shrewd maneuvering by them (and extremely genorous of AD) to get space but ultimately it was used on Danny Green and KCP because it wasn't secured earlier and they waited out KL who wanted LAC. So they could have simply operated above the cap the entire time and kept everyone they had and wanted the last TWO seasons plus had better trade chips for that AD trade.
Rondo/Lance those guys weren't trade options.

I argued trading the kids for AD LAST YEAR was in line with what they really wanted to do and they were wasting a year of LBJ at the end of his career.
They waited and a lot of those assets lost value. But they did make the trade because AD was going to be going somewhere via trade. Getting AD is huge.
He's a superstar, top 10 guy in his prime. Not sure LAL would have been appealing enough in another year to land him. LBJ another year older....
But that roster is a dumpster fire after those 2 guys and really should be built by a basketball man that understands coaching principles and not an agent.

I hated their roster make up and everyone swore they were a 2 or 3 seed. I said 5 or 6. They actually failed to make the playoffs at all which is REALLY hard to do when you have LBJ.

But they were intriguing last year and could be again this year. The Lake Show has issues but they aren't boring.
They have go to stop with this cap space crap and build an actual team.
Players love LA and the Lakers history but the team won't sign anyone to deals longer than a 1+1 beyond the stars so even mediocre players go elsewhere.
It really makes no sense to not use their built in advantages and then trade the guys if you must but give the team some continuity and fill out an actual NBA roster.

That team can't play LBJ and AD 40 mpg. Both require some load mgmt.

LAL should NOT be operating under the cap. Stars will force trades to you anyway.
Get enough players that when they do you can ya know actually win.
Offer role players 3-4 year deals at 10-12M and LAL would clean up on that secondary player market and build real depth.

jterrell · Jul 16, 2019

RoyTheHammer said:
Tobias main struggle was his role in the offense. He had to take a back seat to everyone else on offense which never allowed him to find his groove.

Also..you assure.me you know the Sixers..then use a video game rating to back your point?

Lol ok dude..we will see how elite or not they are when they make it to the finals.

You are crying to be crying at this point. LOL.
I gave you actual stats and you tossed out nonsense.
I promise I know Zhaire Smith FAR better than you.
If you don't think the Sixers need more floor spacing you simply lack basketball IQ or refuse to use it for want of homerism.

You just paid Tobias 180M and he didn't have the right role of offense? LOL.

Guys have to stop getting all their team info from homer blogs and fan posts.
Sharing that outside the confines of the fan base is not a good look and when their homer bubble gets abused they get sensitive.

I think Philly is a 4 seed now.
Feel free to grade ME on that at the end of the year... but don't be surprised if Philly makes a move in season to add SHOOTING.
The Philly starting 5:
Ben
Josh
Harris
Horford
Embiid

is arguably the worst non-tanking 3PT shooting team in basketball.

ABQCOWBOY · Jul 16, 2019

jterrell said:
Lakers did not have two max slots. They traded for AD so never even really had 1.
They had AD waive his 4M trade kicker then had WAS take on players for free with assets further gutting their roster(to 3 players under contract lol)... to not use the money on a star player at all.
That was shrewd maneuvering by them (and extremely genorous of AD) to get space but ultimately it was used on Danny Green and KCP because it wasn't secured earlier and they waited out KL who wanted LAC. So they could have simply operated above the cap the entire time and kept everyone they had and wanted the last TWO seasons plus had better trade chips for that AD trade.
Rondo/Lance those guys weren't trade options.

I argued trading the kids for AD LAST YEAR was in line with what they really wanted to do and they were wasting a year of LBJ at the end of his career.
They waited and a lot of those assets lost value. But they did make the trade because AD was going to be going somewhere via trade. Getting AD is huge.
He's a superstar, top 10 guy in his prime. Not sure LAL would have been appealing enough in another year to land him. LBJ another year older....
But that roster is a dumpster fire after those 2 guys and really should be built by a basketball man that understands coaching principles and not an agent.

I hated their roster make up and everyone swore they were a 2 or 3 seed. I said 5 or 6. They actually failed to make the playoffs at all which is REALLY hard to do when you have LBJ.

But they were intriguing last year and could be again this year. The Lake Show has issues but they aren't boring.
They have go to stop with this cap space crap and build an actual team.
Players love LA and the Lakers history but the team won't sign anyone to deals longer than a 1+1 beyond the stars so even mediocre players go elsewhere.
It really makes no sense to not use their built in advantages and then trade the guys if you must but give the team some continuity and fill out an actual NBA roster.

That team can't play LBJ and AD 40 mpg. Both require some load mgmt.

LAL should NOT be operating under the cap. Stars will force trades to you anyway.
Get enough players that when they do you can ya know actually win.
Offer role players 3-4 year deals at 10-12M and LAL would clean up on that secondary player market and build real depth.

The Lakers easily could have had two max slots and you know it. It so happens that they didn't but who cares? You believed they wouldn't get AD because of that reason and that didn't happen. Regardless of the max contracts available, they were able to get AD. That's the reality.

jterrell · Jul 16, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
The Lakers easily could have had two max slots and you know it. It so happens that they didn't but who cares? You believed they wouldn't get AD because of that reason and that didn't happen. Regardless of the max contracts available, they were able to get AD. That's the reality.

They got AD exactly how I said they would (trade) and for pieces I said (Lonzo plus large mix of other kids) they'd use.
AD wasn't a free agent.
For cripes sake what are you even talking about??

Are you arguing they should have waited another year and gotten him in free agency??
What exactly are you arguing???

RoyTheHammer · Jul 16, 2019

jterrell said:
You are crying to be crying at this point. LOL.
I gave you actual stats and you tossed out nonsense.
I promise I know Zhaire Smith FAR better than you.
If you don't think the Sixers need more floor spacing you simply lack basketball IQ or refuse to use it for want of homerism.

You just paid Tobias 180M and he didn't have the right role of offense? LOL.

Guys have to stop getting all their team info from homer blogs and fan posts.
Sharing that outside the confines of the fan base is not a good look and when their homer bubble gets abused they get sensitive.

I think Philly is a 4 seed now.
Feel free to grade ME on that at the end of the year... but don't be surprised if Philly makes a move in season to add SHOOTING.
The Philly starting 5:
Ben
Josh
Harris
Horford
Embiid

is arguably the worst non-tanking 3PT shooting team in basketball.

I'm not sure where you saw crying..I'm simply telling you you're clueless. Lol..sorry for the confusion.

Tell me.more about JJs video game rankings though..it's all very entertaining.

Bottom line is..I watch the team..you don't. You overvalue JJ for that reason and that's why you don't understand just why he won't be missed as much as you think. The offense we run next season won't be the same one we ran this season..and Tobias will fill a much bigger role and be able to get in rhythem and get back to his old self on offense.

But we could disagree until we are blue in the face..let's just wait and see.

You say they aren't elite and will be a 4 seed. Lol..let's revisit that at the end of the season.

RoyTheHammer · Jul 16, 2019

jterrell said:
The Philly starting 5:
Ben
Josh
Harris
Horford
Embiid

is arguably the worst non-tanking 3PT shooting team in basketball.

Harris over 40% past 2 years..

Horford 40% past 2 years..

JRich 37% past 2 years..

Tell me more about your bball expertise? Lol

ABQCOWBOY · Jul 16, 2019

jterrell said:
They got AD exactly how I said they would (trade) and for pieces I said (Lonzo plus large mix of other kids) they'd use.
AD wasn't a free agent.
For cripes sake what are you even talking about??

Are you arguing they should have waited another year and gotten him in free agency??
What exactly are you arguing???

They got AD exactly how a lot of people said they would. The difference is that you didn't believe AD would go to LA and you never believed he would give up 4 mil in the bargain.

I am not arguing anything. I am simply saying that you didn't believe AD was coming to LA last year.

RoyTheHammer · Jul 16, 2019

RoyTheHammer said:
Harris over 40% past 2 years..

Horford 40% past 2 years..

JRich 37% past 2 years..

Tell me more about your bball expertise? Lol

Not to mention the ol Embid fake 3, drive for the dunk. People respect him when he's out there as well.

RoyTheHammer · Jul 16, 2019

Philly in talks with a certain former Sixers sharpshooter..

darthseinfeld · Jul 17, 2019

Looks like Paul is gonna play this year in OKC, so tanking is pushed back a year

CowboysRock1980 · Jul 17, 2019

darthseinfeld said:
Looks like Paul is gonna play this year in OKC, so tanking is pushed back a year

I am not surprised

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