Video: Zeke holding out? "Trade him" says Cowherd

Praxit · Jul 17, 2019

.....I can understand one year on contract, but 2?? Dude, needs to play this smart or it could get ugly for him and team.

kskboys · Jul 17, 2019

TwentyOne said:
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Well, i found some time to watch the video.

Of course he is very provocative but he has some very valid points.

Cowherd is generally the most accurate talk show host. No one is right about everything, and if Cowherd is wrong more than some, it's because he welcomes very difficult to judge subjects that often have no real right/wrong answers.

Diehardblues · Jul 17, 2019

stasheroo said:
Two questions:

He says the "Vikings haven't missed the playoffs", who did they play this year, because I missed it?

He keeps talking about "getting this haul" from some team. Please let me know both the haul you think you're getting and the team you're getting it from?

Who is the GM so secure in his job that he will offer up this "haul", then make Zeke the league's highest paid running back, all while clearly having no fear of future suspensions?

Who is that guy?

There probably are some GM’s and HC’s who aren’t concerned about the ramifications down the road cause if they don’t win now they’ll probably be fired anyway.

Diehardblues · Jul 17, 2019

kskboys said:
Cowherd is generally the most accurate talk show host. No one is right about everything, and if Cowherd is wrong more than some, it's because he welcomes very difficult to judge subjects that often have no real right/wrong answers.

I’m trying to recall when a player has held out two years before their Rookie contract is up?

superonyx · Jul 17, 2019

kskboys said:
Not true. Although you can find an owner occasionally agreeing to do something verbally and then not doing it, if it's in the contract, the owners do it.

Can you name some of these broken contracts by owners?

Ok. I see you think you have a winning strategy so you want to waste time going down a hole here. The contract is written to give the owners all the power. Or are we disagreeing on this also just to make a message board argument? The players only leverage they have is to chose whether they want to sell their services at the rate provided.

These contracts can be terminated at any time by the owner. The player is not a slave here. The owner does not own him. Read a contract and tell me it does not cover penalties for a player breaking the agreement.

Stop being a message board argument nerd.
Regardless of what you want to believe and regardless of who you think it right it doesn’t change the facts.

Owners cut players with years left.
Players can hold out for more money or extensions.

Being right or wrong by some message board interpretation of contract law doesn’t mean jack here.

Diehardblues · Jul 17, 2019

If Elliott is considering sitting out this year then my hunch is it’s being driven by he doesn’t think the Cowboys are going to extend him when his contract is up. And doesn’t want to be abused next two years.

So, he wants out now. That’s the only thing that makes sense to me if there’s any validity to these rumors at all.

Reid1boys · Jul 17, 2019

Direwolf63 said:
He makes a compelling case.

comparing the herschel deal to today is absolutely FOOLISH. The Cowboys stunk and were going nowhere with Herschel, so it made total sense. Why didnt Collin compare this to when Emmitt held out? Much more similar situation. Both teams have massive talent around the back.... didnt see Jimmy in any rush to trade emmitt.

Reid1boys · Jul 17, 2019

Keithfansince5 said:
Pay him AFTER his contract is up. Teach these young men to honor their word and commitments. Allowing these delusional kids to break agreements further stunts their maturity.

you do realize the contracts they sign are completely one sided. They have no real freedom or say in their contract. The terms of these contracts are put in place by one party to the agreement, so to say make them honor their word.... that isnt really acurate.

Now im not arguing to give zeke a new deal, actually the opposite. You have him by the balls and should suck aall you can out of him on the cheap while you can.

Diehardblues · Jul 17, 2019

Reid1boys said:
comparing the herschel deal to today is absolutely FOOLISH. The Cowboys stunk and were going nowhere with Herschel, so it made total sense. Why didnt Collin compare this to when Emmitt held out? Much more similar situation. Both teams have massive talent around the back.... didnt see Jimmy in any rush to trade emmitt.

I’m not sure either is comparable to Elliott.

If Zeke doesn’t think we have intentions of offering him a 2nd contract I could see him wanting out now.

Diehardblues · Jul 17, 2019

Elliott is simply doing the math. If the Cowboys extend Prescott and Cooper, he’s most likely the odd man out.

And doesn’t want to hang around so the Cowboys can abuse him the next two seasons.

Diehardblues · Jul 17, 2019

Reid1boys said:
you do realize the contracts they sign are completely one sided. They have no real freedom or say in their contract. The terms of these contracts are put in place by one party to the agreement, so to say make them honor their word.... that isnt really acurate.

Now im not arguing to give zeke a new deal, actually the opposite. You have him by the balls and should suck aall you can out of him on the cheap while you can.

If that’s our attitude to suck all you can out of Elliott before you let him walk then there might be some validity to these rumors and Elliott wants to force the issue now. Pay me or trade me.

Elliott might be much smarter than I gave him credit for.

Altestic · Jul 17, 2019

Keep the band together for 2019. Attempt to win the SB.

Here's what I do if I'm the GM.

March 2020:
-Trade Zeke Elliott for 1st and either a 2nd or 3rd, whatever I can get.
-Tag and trade Prescott for a 1st and two 2nds plus a mid round pick, or two 1sts and a 2nd. Whatever I can get.
- Get whatever compensation I can for Taco Charlton if it's at least a 5th rounder.
- Sign Amari Cooper 5 years/90 million with a lot of guaranteed money, if he's not already extended by then.
- Sign Jaylon Smith, Byron Jones to long-term contracts.
- Consider extending Chidobe Awuzie, Xavier Woods (if he shines in 2019) and Michael Gallup to save money in the long-term.
- No need to worry about LVE because he's got that 5th year option to leverage another year there.
- Let La'el Collins walk; likely score 2021 3rd-round compensatory pick
- Bring back Antwaun Woods for a few years. Nose tackles aren't expensive in today's NFL and he is young.
- Take it slow on Maliek Collins, re-signing him if the price is right and the comp pick for losing him is low.

April 2020:
- Trade up to draft a premium QB in the 2020 Draft. It is an excellent draft for top-end QBs. This nets us a brand new rookie QB contract.
- Select QB at the top of the 2020 Draft.
- Select a running back high and continue to stockpile on defense, hopefully drafting a stud SS in the process.

This frees up a TON of cap space and blasts open a brand new championship window. It's the best way to run the team, frankly.

ABQCOWBOY · Jul 17, 2019

superonyx said:
Just because a contract is written one sided doesn’t change spirit of the action of reneging on the agreement. I get what you are saying 100%. But in a one sided business agreement this is the only leverage a player has to protect their interest.

We all know this. Some just choose to look at the literal definitions of agreement and contracts to make their case. This topic deserves understanding from both sides of the debate.

Players have agents. There is a union in place to protect them. It's not like the old, old days. Teams just can't break a contract without cause. That doesn't happen. Players sign contracts and teams live up to those contracts. The language in any given contract is agreed upon, by the simple act of both sides signing a deal. Players don't have to sign deals, they have options. To me, it's not debatable. Especially in the case of Zeke. Jerry has treated Zeke very well IMO. He has not been taken advantage of. It was Zeke and his agent who drove the structure of the deal on his Rookie contract and the team has already said that Zeke would get a nice deal. It just won't be a Gurley deal and why? It's because that deal was a truly terrible deal and no good management would ever sign a deal like that, or at least shouldn't. Zeke wants that kind of deal but you can't fault the team for not wanting to sign a really bad deal like that, just because the Rams are idiots. I mean, how in the world could anybody hold the team at fault for not wanting to do that? Zeke is trying to force this by choosing to do this at this exact time, assuming the story is true that he is planning to hold out. It's a tactic I suppose.

Reid1boys · Jul 17, 2019

DuncanIso said:
Zeke held up his side of the deal.

2 rushing titles in 3 seasons.

Hes only making 3.8 mil.

SHOW ME THE MONEY JERRY

and the Cowboys have held up their end of the deal... didnt they? Im assuming Zeke was paid all the money due per the contract??

Diehardblues · Jul 17, 2019

Altestic said:
Keep the band together for 2019. Attempt to win the SB.

Here's what I do if I'm the GM.

March 2020:
-Trade Zeke Elliott for 1st and either a 2nd or 3rd, whatever I can get.
-Tag and trade Prescott for a 1st and two 2nds plus a mid round pick, or two 1sts and a 2nd. Whatever I can get.
- Get whatever compensation I can for Taco Charlton if it's at least a 5th rounder.
- Sign Amari Cooper 5 years/90 million with a lot of guaranteed money, if he's not already extended by then.
- Sign Jaylon Smith, Byron Jones to long-term contracts.
- Consider extending Chidobe Awuzie, Xavier Woods (if he shines in 2019) and Michael Gallup to save money in the long-term.
- No need to worry about LVE because he's got that 5th year option to leverage another year there.
- Let La'el Collins walk; likely score 2021 3rd-round compensatory pick
- Bring back Antwaun Woods for a few years. Nose tackles aren't expensive in today's NFL and he is young.
- Take it slow on Maliek Collins, re-signing him if the price is right and the comp pick for losing him is low.

April 2020:
- Trade up to draft a premium QB in the 2020 Draft. It is an excellent draft for top-end QBs. This nets us a brand new rookie QB contract.
- Select QB at the top of the 2020 Draft.
- Select a running back high and continue to stockpile on defense, hopefully drafting a stud SS in the process.

This frees up a TON of cap space and blasts open a brand new championship window. It's the best way to run the team, frankly.

That’s not crazy . If we accumulated enough 1st round picks we might be in position to draft Trevor Lawrence in 2 years.

Altestic · Jul 17, 2019

Diehardblues said:
That’s not crazy . If we accumulated enough 1st round picks we might be in position to draft Trevor Lawrence in 2 years.

The downside of that particular route is that we're basically punting the 2020 season without a QB. Even with such a talented roster around the QB, if we give Mike White the 2020 season with next to no experience we're probably looking at 4-12 or possibly worse. But, on the bright side, that would mean a top 5 pick in 2020, which combined with all those other picks we could easily trade up to #1 if necessary.

But... honestly, missing the playoffs and being terrible is the same to me as getting there and losing. So...

- Win the SB in 2019
- Go 3-13 in 2020 and find a way to get the #1 pick, either by draft status or by trade
- Contend for another SB in 2021 and many years beyond

may not be a bad thing.

Diehardblues · Jul 17, 2019

Altestic said:
The downside of that particular route is that we're basically punting the 2020 season without a QB. Even with such a talented roster around the QB, if we give Mike White the 2020 season with next to no experience we're probably looking at 4-12 or possibly worse. But, on the bright side, that would mean a top 5 pick in 2020, which combined with all those other picks we could easily trade up to #1 if necessary.

But... honestly, missing the playoffs and being terrible is the same to me as getting there and losing. So...

- Win the SB in 2019
- Go 3-13 in 2020 and find a way to get the #1 pick, either by draft status or by trade
- Contend for another SB in 2021 and many years beyond

may not be a bad thing.

We could always pick up a formidable back up or aging veteran as QB in 2020. Even a later than 1st round pick who could eventually serve as Trevor’s backup or competition until he’s fully developed and ready. We wouldn’t have to concede to a 4-12 type season.

Sydla · Jul 17, 2019

cern said:
This will end up costing you more.

How so?

Diehardblues · Jul 17, 2019

For the sake of argument If we didn’t have Elliott are we as sold on keeping Prescott?

darthseinfeld · Jul 17, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
I think we gotta get more then just a first round pick for him but I think we can Catch. Look, if he wants to sit the season and play it that way and we got a decent offer, I'd trade him too. I think he's a great player but I don't see him as a guy who might be here producing at a high level for a really long time. I don't think he's E. Smith.

I dont see his trade value as high. Whoever trades for him is going to be expected to sign him after the traded. Likely to a contract that makes him the highest paid HB in the NFL. Thats going to lessen his trade value. A really doubt a team would trade a 1st for him

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