The Case Against Extending Elliott

JoeKing · Jul 17, 2019

Rockport said:
So I’ll ask you the same question, who are you going to replace Zeke with?

I'll let you know when the time comes. There are so many RB's out there that could do a comparable job, just too numerous.

cern · Jul 17, 2019

JoeKing said:
I'll let you know when the time comes. There are so many RB's out there that could do a comparable job, just too numerous.

There might be some close to his abilities, but they're under contract to other teams. I think we're most fortunate to have him under contract.

CouchCoach · Jul 17, 2019

Rockport said:
Bull****. You think the Patriots win all those SB’s without Brady?

Actually I think they win some because he would have had another QB that executes the offense like he wants. Don't know if he wins them all but Brady is a hell of a lot more dependent on him than he is on Brady.

He sure as hell did a lot better than the coaches we have when QB1 was out.

Rocky, I can't make you see what you don't want to see but this staff has been terrible when starters are out and PHL actually had more out than the Cowboys and won a SB.

I know, you will say I am being negative but I see what I see, not what I want to see.

JoeKing · Jul 17, 2019

cern said:
There might be some close to his abilities, but they're under contract to other teams. I think we're most fortunate to have him under contract.

I'm saying trade him for one of those other players and a boat load of draft picks.

Corso · Jul 17, 2019

cern said:
There might be some close to his abilities, but they're under contract to other teams. I think we're most fortunate to have him under contract.

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CouchCoach · Jul 17, 2019

cern said:
There might be some close to his abilities, but they're under contract to other teams. I think we're most fortunate to have him under contract.

Watch college ball this season for these guys: Taylor, WIS, Etienne, CLEM, Swift, GA, Dillon, BC, Benjamin, AZ St. and Vaughn, Vandy. All will be draft eligible and there will be at least 3-4 others that could step into a starting role or rotations with Weber and Pollard.

The RB position is the best position to draft each year because many teams do not value it and it's the easiest position to transition to the NFL besides P and PK.

I can be much more easily convinced that Prescott and Cooper are necessities than any RB.

And none of us knows the importance to the offense of that position with this new OC. Hell, if Booger thinks Elliott is going to hold out in 2020, he may have Moore not feature him as much to see what else they've got. If they're paying the QB and WR 50M combined, that's 27% of the cap, why in the hell would you feature the RB?

Whirlwin · Jul 17, 2019

ghst187 said:
Except that we cannot win without Zeke so there’s that.....
Zeke is the diff between 10-6 and 6-10

we won without Elliott on the field before and we don't even know what this new offense is going to look like.

Praxit · Jul 17, 2019

..meh, blame it on the coaches, Zeke is not top 5 in scoring. Now, let me flip this. Say the coaches did call the right plays for him and scoring was a magnet.

Right now, he would be saying he's holding out on the season until Jerry brings that little pink piggy with him. These are dangerous times be top 5 in anything...

Petrifying if your top 3.

aria · Jul 17, 2019

Whirlwin said:
we won without Elliott on the field before and we don't even know what this new offense is going to look like.

If Moore is worth his salt, this offense won’t be so reliant on Zeke. I’m not saying another RB would be as productive as Zeke but with this O line another back should be more than serviceable and not cost the money and liability that Zeke does. People who use the 6 games he was out act like we would have won the other 3 games, there’s no way to say that with certainty. Plus we have Amari now which changes A LOT.

Personal feelings of Zeke aside, I don’t think any RB is worth that high of a pick unless a team has literally every other piece in place with back ups to boot and I certainly don’t think giving a RB that much money is worth it. Add in the guys we have locked up on the O line for awhile...I’d tell Zeke “see ya Ewok”.

Whirlwin · Jul 17, 2019

aria said:
If Moore is worth his salt, this offense won’t be so reliant on Zeke. I’m not saying another RB would be as productive as Zeke but with this O line another back should be more than serviceable and not cost the money and liability that Zeke does. People who use the 6 games he was out act like we would have won the other 3 games, there’s no way to say that with certainty. Plus we have Amari now which changes A LOT.

Personal feelings of Zeke aside, I don’t think any RB is worth that high of a pick unless a team has literally every other piece in place with back ups to boot and I certainly don’t think giving a RB that much money is worth it. Add in the guys we have locked up on the O line for awhile...I’d tell Zeke “see ya Ewok”.

I'm looking at Prescott game against the Giants in the Ravens. That's when they turned him loose put the ball in his hands. He was nothing less than brilliant in both those games. I believe we play Smash Mouth football for two reasons. First of all we don't want to overexpose leave this young defense on the field too long. And Prescott still is a rookie in training this is the first season where he should take over this team and what we are truly know what we having a quarterback

Whirlwin · Jul 17, 2019

aria said:
If Moore is worth his salt, this offense won’t be so reliant on Zeke. I’m not saying another RB would be as productive as Zeke but with this O line another back should be more than serviceable and not cost the money and liability that Zeke does. People who use the 6 games he was out act like we would have won the other 3 games, there’s no way to say that with certainty. Plus we have Amari now which changes A LOT.

Personal feelings of Zeke aside, I don’t think any RB is worth that high of a pick unless a team has literally every other piece in place with back ups to boot and I certainly don’t think giving a RB that much money is worth it. Add in the guys we have locked up on the O line for awhile...I’d tell Zeke “see ya Ewok”.

The team was in such turmoil That season the distraction alone was upsetting. The camaraderie is Disturbed. And people don't understand how important that is. Go Cowboys it just wasn't not having Elliott on the field. You just couldn't even put a game plan together not knowing

TwoDeep3 · Jul 17, 2019

CouchCoach said:
What RB's did NE win the SB with? When all of those backs you mentioned played, what was the % of run/pass? Between 55-60% run, an elite back was a much hotter commodity back then and those SB teams had top defenses as well. But most of all, none had a cap that would force them to pay Dorsett or Smith and give up some of those players on the D side.

There are few comparisons that can be made pre cap and post cap NFL. It's a different game now.

But even if you could make them. What if the Cowboys didn't have Dorsett but another quality RB? Same with Smith. We don't know but those were good teams beyond the RB.

We clearly know what happened after Dallas got Dorsett. They went to the Superbowl his rookie season.

cern · Jul 17, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Watch college ball this season for these guys: Taylor, WIS, Etienne, CLEM, Swift, GA, Dillon, BC, Benjamin, AZ St. and Vaughn, Vandy. All will be draft eligible and there will be at least 3-4 others that could step into a starting role or rotations with Weber and Pollard.

The RB position is the best position to draft each year because many teams do not value it and it's the easiest position to transition to the NFL besides P and PK.

I can be much more easily convinced that Prescott and Cooper are necessities than any RB.

And none of us knows the importance to the offense of that position with this new OC. Hell, if Booger thinks Elliott is going to hold out in 2020, he may have Moore not feature him as much to see what else they've got. If they're paying the QB and WR 50M combined, that's 27% of the cap, why in the hell would you feature the RB?

I would bet huge sums of money that Moore will use him 50% of the time just as norv used emmitt. Balance is the key to successful offenses. Without zeke, the scales are out of balance.

ArtClink · Jul 17, 2019

CouchCoach said:
A good RB is a necessity, a top 5 paid one is a luxury.

Agreed Coach. Let him walk and let's get three players with his salary. The 81 49ers won a Super Bowl with Bill Ring (who?) as their starting RB!

aria · Jul 17, 2019

Whirlwin said:
I'm looking at Prescott game against the Giants in the Ravens. That's when they turned him loose put the ball in his hands. He was nothing less than brilliant in both those games. I believe we play Smash Mouth football for two reasons. First of all we don't want to overexpose leave this young defense on the field too long. And Prescott still is a rookie in training this is the first season where he should take over this team and what we are truly know what we having a quarterback

Giants game was a good point. Even as bad as they were, we did better without Zeke. I think a lot of that was because we spread the ball around more and weren’t so predictable.

Again, if Moore is creative then we shouldn’t be near as reliant on Zeke.

cern · Jul 17, 2019

JoeKing said:
I'm saying trade him for one of those other players and a boat load of draft picks.

Draft picks are the most valued commodity in the nfl. It's hard to get them from another team.

Whirlwin · Jul 17, 2019

aria said:
Giants game was a good point. Even as bad as they were, we did better without Zeke. I think a lot of that was because we spread the ball around more and weren’t so predictable.

Again, if Moore is creative then we shouldn’t be near as reliant on Zeke.

The Giants wanted to win that game so bad. Division game they're always important no matter how meaningless some may think. We took the youngest starting team in the league, third-youngest overall to the second round of the playoffs. The experience alone was priceless

Whirlwin · Jul 17, 2019

cern said:
Draft picks are the most valued commodity in the nfl. It's hard to get them from another team.

Nobody wants to embarrass themselves giving too much for a player I totally agree

Whirlwin · Jul 17, 2019

aria said:
Giants game was a good point. Even as bad as they were, we did better without Zeke. I think a lot of that was because we spread the ball around more and weren’t so predictable.

Again, if Moore is creative then we shouldn’t be near as reliant on Zeke.

Imagine not having to have to rely on him. Current but still have him. That's what's priceless

bsbellomy · Jul 17, 2019

CouchCoach said:
That's not going to happen and the options they have if they don't extend Prescott are much more limiting than replacing a RB. They're only option is to draft a QB next year and that's not a great option.

I am assuming they're going to extend Prescott and Cooper, that's the reason I do not think extending Elliott is wise.

I get what you are saying, but the honest mistake is further entrenching yourself with a toxic contract in a guy who can only let those around him elevate his play.

Cowboys made the wrong decision by making the popular one in keeping Tony Romo on the bench. They are about to make another huge one for the same reason.

It honestly wouldn't be that hard to replace the guy, and if he's our ceiling I'd rather just be bad while positioning for a real franchise QB.

But to your point, you want to really see the team go in the toilet, just let Zeke sit out and watch what happens. See 6 games in 2017 which ended our playoff hopes.

The Case Against Extending Elliott

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