The Case Against Extending Elliott

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This is a Fan Forum not a verifiable news source. Speculative rumors rule the roost. As long as it’s not made up. Which Elliott’s potential hold out I didn’t make up. The rest is pure fun..
It becomes an issue to many when people take speculation and guesses as fact. When social media drags a player through the mud when he might not even be planning a holdout.
 

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It becomes an issue to many when people take speculation and guesses as fact. When social media drags a player through the mud when he might not even be planning a holdout.
The price of celebrity.

This reminds me of when I was traveling and in Denver. They had a story in the newspaper that Elway was pissed that someone had counted the number of beers he had (3, I think it was) at dinner with his wife at a popular spot and reported that. There was an editorial response that basically told him to grow up. It read something like you get paid millions of dollars to play a game, you think there isn't another price for you to pay for that privilege? Drink at home.

It's just the way it is. Some try to avoid it but Elliott gets toasty and at 3am and wanders around where there are cameras.

I could care less whether he's thinking of holding out or holds out. Not going to make me think less or more of him than I do now, it's really a non-issue but fun to discuss. If he were my son, I'd advise him to hold the hell out because he doesn't know for sure where his next contract is coming from and that's the one he's playing for.
 

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But we don't have much to discuss so this does serve a purpose.

Posters complain about running with the rumors but hell, that's part of the mojo about being a Cowboys fan. None of these other fans get what we get. Who cares if it's the truth, it's a topic!
While attempting to recreate a higgs boson during my years at cern, many bunny huggers believed we would create a black hole that would swallow the earth. It made for interesting conversations despite the ridiculousness of the assertion. We made a boson. The planet is still here. And rumor mills are still rolling. Fiction is more interesting than reality. You're right again.
 

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The price of celebrity.

This reminds me of when I was traveling and in Denver. They had a story in the newspaper that Elway was pissed that someone had counted the number of beers he had (3, I think it was) at dinner with his wife at a popular spot and reported that. There was an editorial response that basically told him to grow up. It read something like you get paid millions of dollars to play a game, you think there isn't another price for you to pay for that privilege? Drink at home.

It's just the way it is. Some try to avoid it but Elliott gets toasty and at 3am and wanders around where there are cameras.

I could care less whether he's thinking of holding out or holds out. Not going to make me think less or more of him than I do now, it's really a non-issue but fun to discuss. If he were my son, I'd advise him to hold the hell out because he doesn't know for sure where his next contract is coming from and that's the one he's playing for.

I hear ya.

At least Elway did drink the beers though. That was confirmed. And I agree about being in the public eye. If you’re famous... you’re going to be watched.

Also, Elliott being intoxicated in public is fair game as well. If you don’t want TMZ to film you drunk, then don’t be out in public drunk. I didn’t defend Zeke for that. He should know better.

But if Mike Florio says something (he’s been wrong plenty before), then the entire Internet shouldn’t take that as gospel and start persecuting Elliott before we even know if it is true. That’s all I’m saying.
 

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These type of speculative Hot Topics are a blast. And Elliott served it up again. This might be as juicy as his suspension a couple years ago. Lol

I havent commented on anything else in over 24 hours.
Well, that's better than being hooked on internet porn.
 

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While attempting to recreate a higgs boson during my years at cern, many bunny huggers believed we would create a black hole that would swallow the earth. It made for interesting conversations despite the ridiculousness of the assertion. We made a boson. The planet is still here. And rumor mills are still rolling. Fiction is more interesting than reality. You're right again.
I think you guys are just hiding a black hole there. Don’t want to admit you messed up.

It’s probably how the aliens are visiting so often.

I also hope you didn’t kill a tree.
 

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You think the Cheapskate Son will try to convince Big Daddy to go a RB by Committee again. Lol

After all he is running Cowboys Football:)
Zack and tank don't call him cheap. They're too busy counting their money.
 

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I think you guys are just hiding a black hole there. Don’t want to admit you messed up.

It’s probably how the aliens are visiting so often.

I also hope you didn’t kill a tree.
No trees were killed during the filming of the higgs boson movie.
 

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I hear ya.

At least Elway did drink the beers though. That was confirmed. And I agree about being in the public eye. If you’re famous... you’re going to be watched.

Also, Elliott being intoxicated in public is fair game as well. If you don’t want TMZ to film you drunk, then don’t be out in public drunk. I didn’t defend Zeke for that. He should know better.

But if Mike Florio says something (he’s been wrong plenty before), then the entire Internet shouldn’t take that as gospel and start persecuting Elliott before we even know if it is true. That’s all I’m saying.
Couldn't agree more but that's the way of our world now.

We have never been a more "believe what you want to believe" country since I've been alive and that's about everything. There's this rush to judgment about everything and the media used to take pride and responsibility for what they reported but now it's all about being first.

I lost any respect for sports journalism when the reporter for ESPN admitted she totally fabricated that story about the Rams players and Michael Sam in the showers. They showed what they're about when they didn't fire her. A reporter totally fabricating a story is acceptable and the only reason they moved her to another team was Fisher threw her out.

I do not watch any news, sports or otherwise, and only get mine from online and print sources that I feel are reliable and not trying to influence me or tell me what I want to hear and see. If I do get some from one of those influencers, at least I am aware of their agenda and take that into account. I see this stuff posted on the Zone and take that with a grain of salt unless the person the story is about is telling it.
 

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I don't think paying an above average QB like an elite QB a good football decision. I don't want to overpay any position.
I think all of them will overpay at least one, even Belichick does that, but the key is to not have too many. I think the Cowboys are going to get butt ugly with the cap again, I just hope they can capitalize this time.
 

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I think all of them will overpay at least one, even Belichick does that, but the key is to not have too many. I think the Cowboys are going to get butt ugly with the cap again, I just hope they can capitalize this time.

Me too, it's been a long 23 years!
 

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Ya know, I get that pet cat thing, I used to have my untouchables as well but I've spent a lot of time watching how that guy in NE does things and it all begins with one principle, no one isn't expendable. That includes the QB and if Kraft hadn't interceded and got Brady to go along with that contract, he would be playing somewhere else.

He doesn't get himself into situations where a player can hold him up and take him out of his formula because he doesn't get too dependent on one player. Flowers was right there with Lawrence except he actually showed up in crunch time and Belichick didn't blink, didn't even tag him and try to work something out. Just wished him well and will probably see him again after this contract like he did Jamie Collins.

There is this imaginary point where a good player crosses it and begins to hurt his team because he's taking too much of the cap. Example, Lawrence. If he's only as good as he was, he's a liability. He must step up and be, by far, the best player on that defense and he wasn't last season. He wasn't the best and he wasn't consistent, he's yet to show he's a crunch time asset. However, he's pulling 11% of this year's cap. But that's not really what he's doing.

Considering that the team isn't going to commit anymore than 45% of the total cap to the D side, and with the triplets pending they won't come close to that if they sign them they could take close to 35% of the total cap...just the 3 of them. So, let's assume 45% to the D side, Lawrence is taking 22% of that, 1 player accounting for almost a quarter of the available money with a CB and LB in the wings waiting for their payday. Don't know if you've seen the chart but 4 of that starting back 7 is up next year and 2 of the front 4. Half the defense is up and 22% going to one player already.

I am pretty sure Belichick would have loved to have kept Flowers. He played for my Hogs and stayed his senior season to help his HC out, he's as good a team guy as you'd ever want and a good player but Belichick knew he couldn't pull the trigger on that and stay true to his formula. That's why he's the best of this era, he has a formula and that takes priority over any player because it benefits all of his players.

Do you think Belichick would even be considering an extension for Elliott, even if he is the best RB in the league?
Of course Bill wouldn’t ..but the Pats except for their QB haven’t really been as talent dependent as we are with Big Daddy, Cheapskate Son and the Clapper leading the way. Lol

If we aren’t a talent laden team. We got nothing to fall back on.
 

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I'm fine with giving him a 4 or even 5 year extension. RB peak at 27 typically and he is 24. His age 28 and even 29 years are still going to be similar to what we see now.

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As the chart clearly shows the next 3 years should see him improve, 29 is similar to age 23, and the cliff is after 30. His best years are likely to be the next three. Cutting/trading him now is plain ignorant.
 

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Zack and tank don't call him cheap. They're too busy counting their money.
Ahhhh. I’m so heartbroken . You don’t like my nickname. Cheapskate Son.

Ask Murray and Dez how they like it. And probably soon to be Ezekiel “ bustin balls” Elliott. Lol
 

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Me too, it's been a long 23 years!
That would make some happy but not all. That's the difference in Cowboys fans and Marlin fans. I know a group of Marlin fans and not one of them regrets selling out to get the ring and the whole thing coming undone afterwards, at least they got that ring.

I am not about the ring so I prefer to contend for longer so I care more about the cap but I understand the other as well and neither is right or wrong. Some like longer foreplay and some are "let's get'er done".
 

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I'm fine with giving him a 4 or even 5 year extension. RB peak at 27 typically and he is 24. His age 28 and even 29 years are still going to be similar to what we see now.

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As the chart clearly shows the next 3 years should see him improve, 29 is similar to age 23, and the cliff is after 30. His best years are likely to be the next three. Cutting/trading him now is plain ignorant.
Wow, that is a terrible plot. It comes from: https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/123542/inside-slant-running-back-cliff-after-age-27

The big problem with it is survivorship bias. The age 27 data includes all RBs who had 75+ carries at age 27...but it doesn't include the RBs who played from ages 21-26 but were out of the league by age 27. So anyone who declined earlier or faster is excluded. And the problem only gets worse as the ages increase: there are fewer and fewer guys who are actually still in the league. What that means is the actual average decline is much more precipitous than shown here. Other, better-constructed studies show that RBs on average peak at age 25 and decline after that, and (again, on average) drop off precipitously after age 28. (See for instance https://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/des.htm).
 

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That would make some happy but not all. That's the difference in Cowboys fans and Marlin fans. I know a group of Marlin fans and not one of them regrets selling out to get the ring and the whole thing coming undone afterwards, at least they got that ring.

I am not about the ring so I prefer to contend for longer so I care more about the cap but I understand the other as well and neither is right or wrong. Some like longer foreplay and some are "let's get'er done".
I can tell you after one Miracle on the Brazos in 50+ years and then when Briles restored Belief on the Brazos we’d of sold our souls and the neighbors girls for a Nat’l Championship. One Ring would have been worth another 50 years of mostly dormant football.

The problem with not selling out for the Ring is you really never know if treading along will bring it or not. But if you’ve ever followed a Dormant team it’s a completely different mindset and attitude than following a championship history team.

We have 5 Rings in our pocket. Our plate is pretty full. 25 years hasn't scraped it out that much . We really don’t know what we’d feel if we were Brown or Lion fans. Well, I think I know cause I’ve been following Baylor as long as I have the Cowboys.
 
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