Twitter: NFL will not suspend Tyreek Hill; unlike Ezekiel Elliott **merged**

Kevinicus

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Did you hear the tapes? I spent the last year taking a 4 year old to counseling for PTSD symptoms thanks to her mother. I was told to always listen in on her when she was playing alone with toys. Kids will act out things that happen to them with their toys and talk about it. I heard some disturbing ****. So when my daughter is humping things and trying to touch her little brother inappropriately and I ask her why she does that and she says "mommy taught me" there's a reason for it. Now his kid always seems to say his dad did it. He doesn't deny his kid says it he even says his kid says he does lots of things. Then there's the whole "you should be terrified of me too *****" he doesn't deny his kid is terrified of him instead he takes the chance to reinforce the idea that she should be too. People that aren't abusive wouldn't do that.

Did you hear ALL the tapes? Are you aware of everything else going on in the case? Munchausen by proxy? Her texts? Etc?

Actually he said his son respects him. She said he is terrified...that is when he says that line. He was telling her she needs to respect him.
 

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no....legal crap sucks, huh?
By law it's not a threat. So you won't go to jail for it. But anyone who says I better fear them, I'm taking it as as a threat, law or no law.

Just like I agured in the Zeke case against him and other cowboy fans, the NFL doesn't have the burden of proof like the "law " does. They don't even have the same "laws" as the law does. The personal conduct policy states,

"Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent
victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for
the NFL. We must endeavor at all times to be people of high character; we must show respect for others
inside and outside our workplace; and we must strive to conduct ourselves in ways that favorably reflect on
ourselves, our teams, the communities we represent, and the NFL."

If "you need to fear me too, *****", doesn't fall under, "violent, dangerous or irresponsible", then there is a issue. Then you have, "damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect." They, you and others can argue all they want but if, "you need to fear me too, *****" doesn't fall under the conduct policy, then there is a problem with the policy.
 

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The legality and formal charges against Hill are moot points. I personally think the NFL screwed up yet another domestic violence case.

What can't be argued is the inconsistency in how they handle these things. If they can't get this stuff right, how can they be trusted with anything?
 

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I never said he was innocent, but there are all sorts of gray in that case. In the case of T Hill, he has NOTHING on his record as of today... NOTHING. No matter how much you still want to hold 2015 against him.

Just because it was expunged doesn’t mean he didn’t plead guilty and wasn’t convicted.

He was guilty. You’ve presented zero evidence that he didn’t do it, other than “sometimes people plead guilty to not risk trial” which isn’t evidence at all.
 

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No, it is not. It doesn't meet the definition.

And in the context of the conversation doesn't mean what you think it does.
I donereplied to someone else so I'll leave the law of the statement alone in this commwnt.

And it means EXACTLY what I think it does. Lol
 

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And why would the NFL take into account something he did in college?

Because it’s part of the NFL personal conduct policy.

The policy clearly states that the NFL can take “conduct prior to joining the NFL” into consideration when deciding discipline.
 

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Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not enough evidence like less then Zeke ? thats preposterous, Zeke should have not been suspended and IMO collusion the KC HYPE machine is going strong and losing hunt then Hill would hurt that new hype machine and they let it go...its enough evidence to get him 2 just for phone call and other things that they do know about Detrimental to the league= 2 games, consistency problem..zeke was suspended on rumor only no charges no proof and a terrible accuser..6 games!!..
 

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I donereplied to someone else so I'll leave the law of the statement alone in this commwnt.

And it means EXACTLY what I think it does. Lol

You think he's telling her she needs to respect him?

Good.
 

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Did you hear ALL the tapes? Are you aware of everything else going on in the case? Munchausen by proxy? Her texts? Etc?

Actually he said his son respects him. She said he is terrified...that is when he says that line. He was telling her she needs to respect him.
I heard all the tapes. He calls his sons fear respect then tells her to be terrified too and you are saying in the context given terrified is just another word for respect. Correct?

You think abusive people don't view fear as a form of respect? Considering it's the tactic used to keep their victim inline? They use fear to achieve obedience and call it respect all the f****** time.
 

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By law it's not a threat. So you won't go to jail for it. But anyone who says I better fear them, I'm taking it as as a threat, law or no law.

Just like I agured in the Zeke case against him and other cowboy fans, the NFL doesn't have the burden of proof like the "law " does. They don't even have the same "laws" as the law does. The personal conduct policy states,

"Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent
victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for
the NFL. We must endeavor at all times to be people of high character; we must show respect for others
inside and outside our workplace; and we must strive to conduct ourselves in ways that favorably reflect on
ourselves, our teams, the communities we represent, and the NFL."

If "you need to fear me too, *****", doesn't fall under, "violent, dangerous or irresponsible", then there is a issue. Then you have, "damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect." They, you and others can argue all they want but if, "you need to fear me too, *****" doesn't fall under the conduct policy, then there is a problem with the policy.
im not arguing with you at all... really...kind of, sort of....lol
 

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According to a Stillwater Police Department arrest report, his girlfriend at the time, Crystal Espinal, showed up in an emergency room with cuts and bruises on her face and neck. (The officer who filed the report noted that her lip was busted, that she was wincing with pain and that the mark under her eye was turning purple as she spoke.) Espinal, who was eight weeks pregnant at the time, said Hill had grabbed her neck with his hands, pinned her against the wall and then thrown her to the ground like a “rag doll.” She told an officer that Hill had picked her up by her hair and put her in a headlock. After Espinal had screamed “I can’t breathe” several times, she alleged, he released her, then sat on top of her, punching her in the stomach losing thier 8 week old unborn child..
UNless she had documented evidence that she was prgnant is what I meant. Yes, she SAID she was prgnant, that doesnt make it so.
 

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Maybe because the Cowboys aren't making the same dumb, illegal mistakes as the other teams. We don't collude or talk to players before it's legal, or any of the other dumb stuff teams do for a competitive edge.
This has nothing to do with that, look at the fines and what they were for. Most were on the field penalties as well.
 

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I heard all the tapes. He calls his sons fear respect then tells her to be terrified too and you are saying in the context given terrified is just another word for respect. Correct?

You think abusive people don't view fear as a form of respect? Considering it's the tactic used to keep their victim inline? They use fear to achieve obedience and call it respect all the f****** time.
the Mobs use those same terms... its threat of violence in passive aggressive manner in case someones listening..:rolleyes::popcorn:
 

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I hear sports raido talking about Ray Rice, Hardy, Peterson... forget all of those cases. Rice had a video showing him knock out his fiance. Hardy had been convicted in court, even though that was esentially reversed. Peterson, also had evidence he beat his son, even though it was questionable as far as beat or discipline.


All of those case are NOT comparable IMO. Zeke.... Zeke's case is the real elephant in the room. The NFL is saying no charges were filed and they really had no evidence to prove Hill did what he was accused of. Well f this is not a DIRECT comparison with Zeke, I do not know what is. The others are not, but Zeke's case also had NO evidence, no charges, and the NFL own investigator said there was not enough here to do anything. So IMO, this is the only case Id like to hear some explanation of why Zeke got 6 games and Hill got zero. Please, someone on this board even, please explain how the Zeke and Hill cases are different?
 
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No if that were Elliot then it would be considered DV and his second count and he would be barred from the NFL.
C’mon now! Zeke just put his hands on a security guard after turning around, and confronting him while he said “what did you say”? and all he got was a talk in the principles office. Don’t act like he would have been suspended over those words, I know you’re smarter than that.
 
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I hear sports raido talking about Ray Rice, Hardy, Peterson... forget all of those cases. Rice had a video showing him knock out his fiance. Hardy had been convicted in court, even though that was esentially reversed. Peterson, also had evidence he beat his son, even though it was questionable as far as beat or discipline.


All of those case are NOT comparable IMO. Zeke.... Zeke's case is the real evidence in the room. The NFL is saying no charges were filed and they really had no evidence to prove Hill did what he was accused of. Well f this is not a DIRECT comparison with Zeke, I do not know what is. The others are not, but Zeke's case also had NO evidence, no charges, and the NFL own investigator said there was not enough here to do anything. So IMO, this is the only case Id like to hear some explanation of why Zeke got 6 games and Hill got zero. Please, someone on this board even, please explain how the Zeke and Hill cases are different?


KIa Roberts was the lead investigator for the NFL who stated recommended no punishment. Here is the article. Steam steams me.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...tt-case-reportedly-recommended-no-suspension/
 

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You think he's telling her she needs to respect him?

Good.
Lol if he didn't have the background like he does I would ALMOST get on board with you that he meant respect, not "fear". But considering his background and the fact that comment came after them discussing him punching his kid in the chest(not directly after) but directly after them debating if his kid respected him ot feared him, I can't get on board that fear meant respect.

Edit: it wasnt feared that was used, it's was terrified, my bad.
 
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