Pay Dak/lose player or pay the others and Franchise Dak

DakPresgoat said:

So if the Cowboys win the super bowl, you want them to trade away the starting QB who helped get them there?

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Read the LVE got hitched thread and you'll understand who you're talking to.

DakPresgoat said:

Name the last time a mid level QB was traded for a first and two seconds.

I’ll wait

This never happens in the NFL. For the reasons I outlined before.

Please name these bottom barrel teams that have recently traded for a mid level QB and given around the same compensation you mentioned.

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Bears gave up two 1st rounders and a 3rd rounder to get Cutler.

ClintDagger said:

Bears gave up two 1st rounders and a 3rd rounder to get Cutler.

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So once in the past 2 plus decades.

That’s a rich history of it happening.

DakPresgoat said:

So once in the past 2 plus decades.

That’s a rich history of it happening.

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Haha, hey don’t get defensive. You asked when it last happened and then said it never happens. All I did was answer the question. Obviously Dak isn’t getting traded so it’s a non issue as far as Dallas goes.

Didn’t Prescott say everyone is getting paid?

atlantacowboy said:

If Dak was worth that much, we should probably sign him.

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Right lol. So people say he’s average but then want to trade him for a Kings ransom lol. It makes no sense. If he’s worth that much to someone why trade him?

Altestic said:

Tell Jacksonville that

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They got further in the playoffs with Bortles than we have with Dak. So why would they trade for Dak? Foles is a super bowl MVP.

They just have higher expectations and more accountability in J-ville than we do in Dallas.

atlantacowboy said:

They got further in the playoffs with Bortles than we have with Dak. So why would they trade for Dak? Foles is a super bowl MVP.

They just have higher expectations and more accountability in J-ville than we do in Dallas.

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They paid 25M a year for a (slightly) below average QB.

Minnesota paid 30M a year fully guaranteed for an average to slightly below average QB.

Last year Arizona paid 22M (granted, very little guarantees) to a bottom tier QB.

Chicago did the same the year before.

Even bad QBs have markets if they have NFL experience.

Who is your 2020 QB without Dak? Or if you franchise him, who is your 2021 QB?

Dak is getting every penny he asks for.

DakPresgoat said:

Name the last time a mid level QB was traded for a first and two seconds.

I’ll wait

This never happens in the NFL. For the reasons I outlined before.

Please name these bottom barrel teams that have recently traded for a mid level QB and given around the same compensation you mentioned.

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Vikings traded a 1 and a 4 for Bradford, Prescott should definitely command more than that.

Chicago gave up 2 1sts, a 3rd and NFL Starter Kyle Orton for Jay Cutler who at the time wasn’t so far removed from what Dak is perceived to be. Cutler was more of a downfield passer of course, but he was a fringe top-10 guy who got his team to the playoffs with not a whole lot of success i the possession. They were really trading for potential there, as you would with Dak.

When NE traded Bledsoe to the Bills for a 1st, he wasn’t making pro bowl anymore, was past 30, and had a string of losing seasons to his name since Parcells left. Dak absolutely should command more than that.

The Bengals traded Palmer to the Raiders for a first and a second. At the time, Palmer was sitting out the season because he refused to play for Cincy, after going 4-12 the year before and His last pro bowl was 5 seasons prior. He was also already on a massive contract and requested a new one altogether AGAIN when he got to Oakland. He was not considered top 10 anymore at the time, and many though he was close to done in the nfl (which obviously may have been true had he not been traded to the cardinals for a Renaissance.)

A long shot definitely, but don’t say it can’t be done. What do every one of these teams have in common? They maybe overpaid, but they were willing to take a chance on a possible franchise QB that his previous team wasn’t. Those possibilities are always out there. Even if you make a slap-in-the-face prediction and say Dak is the 18th or 21st best qb, what you’re really saying is there are 11 teams who should consider themselves lucky to have him.

I think Dallas has managed their cap very well and will be able to get Dak signed and other key members. I'm also sure contracts will get restructured down the line to free up money to get other need players resigned

DakPresgoat said:

So if the Cowboys win the super bowl, you want them to trade away the starting QB who helped get them there?

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The dumb stupid logic of these Dak haters

There are a few problems with y'all comments.

First Dak is a franchise QB, perhaps you guys forgot about what happened before Romo and after Aikman. QBs is the hardest to find and you don't trade away a guy that averages 11 wins per season.

Second, you guys want to franchise Dak and not pay him a contract which would be structured less than what the franchise tag would cost. Sure it looks like 34 million per year average looks high but he won't be getting actually 34 million per season.

Third, these dumb trade comments. If you think Dak isn't good then how are you going to get all these picks?

Fourth, the ones that want to franchise Dak and then look for his replacement....... Unless you are picking at the top of the draft is very hard to find a QB. Not only that now you are wasting the careers of every player on the team cause you got rid of the franchise QB and can't find a replacement.

Fifth, the longer you wait to sign Dak the more it's going to cost. Had they just agreed to the 30 million before Wentz signed he wouldn't be close to being the highest paid. You wait to next year to sign him, price is going up over 34 million.


To be honest there is no way that some of you watch Dak with an open mind and call it like you see it. It's not possible, you guys have some personal issue with him that has nothing to do with his ability to win games...... Which he does as good as anybody in the league not named Tom Brady.

Aerolithe_Lion said:

Who is your 2020 QB without Dak? Or if you franchise him, who is your 2021 QB?

Dak is getting every penny he asks for.

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2020- White
2021- Lawrence

It's a genius idea.

Irvin88_4life said:

There are a few problems with y'all comments.

First Dak is a franchise QB, perhaps you guys forgot about what happened before Romo and after Aikman. QBs is the hardest to find and you don't trade away a guy that averages 11 wins per season.

Second, you guys want to franchise Dak and not pay him a contract which would be structured less than what the franchise tag would cost. Sure it looks like 34 million per year average looks high but he won't be getting actually 34 million per season.

Third, these dumb trade comments. If you think Dak isn't good then how are you going to get all these picks?

Fourth, the ones that want to franchise Dak and then look for his replacement....... Unless you are picking at the top of the draft is very hard to find a QB. Not only that now you are wasting the careers of every player on the team cause you got rid of the franchise QB and can't find a replacement.

Fifth, the longer you wait to sign Dak the more it's going to cost. Had they just agreed to the 30 million before Wentz signed he wouldn't be close to being the highest paid. You wait to next year to sign him, price is going up over 34 million.


To be honest there is no way that some of you watch Dak with an open mind and call it like you see it. It's not possible, you guys have some personal issue with him that has nothing to do with his ability to win games...... Which he does as good as anybody in the league not named Tom Brady.

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He's LOST us more games than he's won us. Forget the overall team record, the team is built on rushing and defense but largely by necessity due to the limitations at QB.

I'd say he WON us the Eagles home game and Pittsburgh road game his rookie year and the meaningless Giants road game at the end of last year. Name any more? The rest are all on the running game and defense.

He tried his darn best to lose the Saints home game last year but the defense wouldn't let him.

Altestic said:

He's LOST us more games than he's won us. Forget the overall team record, the team is built on rushing and defense but largely by necessity due to the limitations at QB.

I'd say he WON us the Eagles home game and Pittsburgh road game his rookie year and the meaningless Giants road game at the end of last year. Name any more? The rest are all on the running game and defense.

He tried his darn best to lose the Saints home game last year but the defense wouldn't let him.

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The defense sucked rocks before this past season.

davidariust24 said:

I listen to a few shows over a period of time . I may add a link later . The argument is that Dak is an average QB while Zeke, Cooper , Jaylon, and Byron Jones are all in the top 10 at their position. You would have to take Coopers stats over 9 games and project them over the full 16 to get the gist. The question being why lose players that are elite or have the potential to be elite over an average QB? Just pay that you can first and leave enough to FRANCHISE Dak. Someone could be left out like B Jones but you'd have everyone else paid. If Dak is picked up you get 2 first round picks or you work out a deal. If Dak balls out this season of course you'd pay him a big deal.

The question is what if we get the same production this season as these first three seasons? Is his stat line worth 30+ million?

Dak is a good QB but 30+ for some more of the same?

The key is Dak needs 16 games of what he did when Cooper got here. That's what we need and that's what we expect. If he can give me 16 games of the last 9. I'm happy to pay him. If he somehow reverts back to the first 7 then I'm sorry it's time to find another QB.

The BIG question is are you confident we will get the last 9 games Dak plus an off season with Cooper and the crew or that he just isn't enough? What do you guys think?

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I pay everyone else and make Dak a restricted FA and let him shop himself and see what his worth is. Somebody wants to offer him 30 mil and give Dallas a 1st round pick I'm taking it especially a team like Miami.But I doubt anyone would give him 30 mil I'm betting the market in Dak might bring Foles type money. 22 mil

Altestic said:

2020- White
2021- Lawrence

It's a genius idea.

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Implying after having the second best roster in the nfl this year you’re immediately ready to tank. Probably should have mentioned that to DLaw before he signed to a team that’ll be bottom feeding for 2-4 years until Lawrence hits his prime

Altestic said:

They paid 25M a year for a (slightly) below average QB.

Minnesota paid 30M a year fully guaranteed for an average to slightly below average QB.

Last year Arizona paid 22M (granted, very little guarantees) to a bottom tier QB.

Chicago did the same the year before.

Even bad QBs have markets if they have NFL experience.

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So we should look to bad contracts and aspire to them?

Altestic said:

Incorrect. Even if Dak is the 20th best QB in the NFL, he will have a market. Not every team is the Cowboys and some are struggling teams who struggle to fill the stadium. The Cowboys could go 0-16 for a decade and still fill the stadium because of their brand name.

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0-160 would devalue the living #@%!! out of that brand name.