Ball control or 30 points a game

ondaedg · Jul 22, 2019

There is no advantage to ball control in 2019.

Players don't "wear out" anymore.

Ball control doesn't equal points.

Eagles won a super bowl with an anti-ball control style of offense.

Modern teams think of ball control as a more methodical approach of moving chains. Not running the football.

Red Dragon · Jul 22, 2019

Ball control only works if you have a good defense. Otherwise it is playing with fire; you are only nursing a small lead that could be snatched away within minutes.

Take Super Bowl XXV and the 2007 Cowboys-Giants playoff game as an example. In Super Bowl XXV (Giants vs. Bills,) the Giants consumed an enormous amount of clock by playing textbook ball-control offense; yet they only barely escaped defeat when Norwood's kick went wide right.

In the Cowboys-Giants playoff game, Romo and the Cowboys scored on two massive textbook clock-eating drives of 90 and 95 yards to take a 14-7 lead over New York; yet Eli Manning and Co. easily marched downfield in less than fifty seconds to score a game-tying touchdown, making it look like child's play.

Ball control offense is really overrated if your defense can't make a stop despite having been gifted all that time to rest.

So I say give me the 30 points per game offense. If nothing else, it's more fun to watch.

DFWJC · Jul 22, 2019

It's possible to do both, or very close.
See 2014

just needed a better D

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 22, 2019

I like the thread topic and will answer it differently.

First off for anyone that likes emulating the Patriots they were the fastest pace team in the league in neutral situations.

What I would do is go no huddle in all situations where I am not 8+ points ahead. This doesn't mean I'm fast paced, I would just get to the line quickly. The no huddle makes it difficult for the opposing team to switch our personnel groups. Like what the Packers do. I would then take as much time needed at the line to call audibles and move my chest pieces around to the desired match ups. This is ball control with no huddle.

1. Doesn't allow the opposing defense to sub
2. Rests your defense
3. See mismatches at the LOS

I do not think this style would lead to 30+ points, but I do think it would result in points efficiently and maximize points per drive.

ondaedg · Jul 22, 2019

Red Dragon said:
Ball control only works if you have a good defense. Otherwise it is playing with fire; you are only nursing a small lead that could be snatched away within minutes.

Take Super Bowl XXV and the 2007 Cowboys-Giants playoff game as an example. In Super Bowl XXV (Giants vs. Bills,) the Giants consumed an enormous amount of clock by playing textbook ball-control offense; yet they only barely escaped defeat when Norwood's kick went wide right.

In the Cowboys-Giants playoff game, Romo and the Cowboys scored on two massive textbook clock-eating drives of 90 and 95 yards to take a 14-7 lead over New York; yet Eli Manning and Co. easily marched downfield in less than fifty seconds to score a game-tying touchdown, making it look like child's play.

Ball control offense is really overrated if your defense can't make a stop despite having been gifted all that time to rest.

So I say give me the 30 points per game offense. If nothing else, it's more fun to watch.

Yep the Cowboys-Giants game was exactly what I was thinking as soon as I saw this post.

LandryFan · Jul 22, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
This is funny. This team loses more games when we score 30 than any other team by far im sure of it.

Might be true of some games in years past, but I'm guessing that the current defense will yield 30 pts in a game very few times. They gave up 35 to the Giants in the last regular season game last year (and won, 36-35), and gave up 30 to the Rams in the playoffs (lost). I'll stand by my theory that 30 pts wins most games in 2019.

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 22, 2019

kskboys said:
Your answer cannot be "both".

A high octane scoring O means long plays and quick scores. This type of O rarely rarely wins the super bowl. ATL almost did, and they're the only high octane scoring team I can remember even making it.

Our problem is that we are kicking too many FG's.

2018- Rams and Pat's both huh octane (3rd anand 1st respectively)
2017- Pat's (2nd)
2016- Falcons and Pat's ( 4th and 6th respectively)
2015- Denver (6th)

CowboysFaninHouston · Jul 22, 2019

12+88=7 said:
Which offense do you believe will achieve winning a Super Bowl?

I believe the way Dallas is constituted right now the defense is the strength of the team. If Dallas had a high scoring offense(30 points a game) they would be the NFC favorites, if not thee league favorites.

But when I read some of the post, others believe a ball control offense would be better, you don't need to pass more. That it would protect the defense better.

I fear more for Dallas when they play a high scoring offense than when they play a ball control offense. I believe running a ball control offense will not let you keep up if the game gets away.

When two high scoring teams meet, the team with the best defense should be favorites. Is this the best way to win a championship?

I am using 12 as a cut off, just so we can compare....

I think you take the points.

if you have a average to bad defense, then you take the TOP to protect the defense...teams with bad defenses rarely win shootouts consistently and their offenses must be out of this world (ala KC).....

last year, of the 12 playoff teams, ravens and philly were outside of top 12 scoring teams....with steelers who missed the playoff surprisingly at 6

for teams with TOP...4 of the top 12 didn't make the playoffs. with Detroit surprisingly at 7 (and surprisingly a top 10 defense)

surprisingly...of the top 12 defensive teams, 6 didn't make the playoffs.

so seems like in today's NFL...you need to score (which has made it easier for teams to pass, get yards in chunks and score)…...and a good to above average defense is the key....

the teams in the NFC championship game....top 4 scoring teams were Chiefs, Rams, Saints and Patriots.
none had a top 15 defense....only saints and patriots were in top 10 TOP

McKDaddy · Jul 22, 2019

ondaedg said:
Modern teams think of ball control as a more methodical approach of moving chains.

Exactly. It's taking what is there whether it be run or pass BUT taking the big chunks when they are available.

Ultimately, points on the board are what put pressure on the opposition and lead to their mistakes.

KJJ · Jul 22, 2019

You’re not going to win a championship in today’s NFL with a ball control offense. All the rules have been bent to promote scoring. The two teams in the Super Bowl last season were top five offenses. Forget that the Super Bowl was a low-scoring defensive battle those teams got there with offense. All the top defenses in the playoffs last season were knocked off by good offensive teams. To win a low-scoring game with ball control you have to have a great defense that can make critical stops. The Cowboys defense continues to get them beat in the playoffs. No matter how good your defense is you have to be able to score. To win consistently you need a solid offense that can put points on the board and a defense that can make critical stops in the 4th quarter.

InTheZone · Jul 22, 2019

30 points a game, every time. Take romos offense with our current defense, game over

Does our offense even score 2 tds a game anymore?

erod · Jul 22, 2019

Legitimate teams do both.

OmerV · Jul 22, 2019

InTheZone said:
30 points a game, every time. Take romos offense with our current defense, game over

Does our offense even score 2 tds a game anymore?

To me it doesn't matter which way, as long as at the end of possessions we are scoring. If we score it really doesn't matter if we do it in 3-4 minutes or eat up 7-8 minutes.

Fletch · Jul 22, 2019

12+88=7 said:
Which offense do you believe will achieve winning a Super Bowl?

I believe the way Dallas is constituted right now the defense is the strength of the team. If Dallas had a high scoring offense(30 points a game) they would be the NFC favorites, if not thee league favorites.

But when I read some of the post, others believe a ball control offense would be better, you don't need to pass more. That it would protect the defense better.

I fear more for Dallas when they play a high scoring offense than when they play a ball control offense. I believe running a ball control offense will not let you keep up if the game gets away.

When two high scoring teams meet, the team with the best defense should be favorites. Is this the best way to win a championship?

Both. But that wasn’t your question. It’s either, or. Give me 30 points a game with my Cowboys defense, which if healthy, should be scary for everyone on the schedule.

KJJ · Jul 22, 2019

InTheZone said:
30 points a game, every time. Take romos offense with our current defense, game over

Does our offense even score 2 tds a game anymore?

Romo’s offense’s produced too many turnovers and our defense still has a long way to go, we found that out against the Colts and the Rams.

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 22, 2019

Points per game do not matter

Points allowed per drive, points scored per drive, turnovers created per drive, and turnovers committed per drive are what matters.

Hawkeye0202 · Jul 22, 2019

I seriously doubt you will find an NFL coach going into a game expecting his team to drop 30 or more points, but most, if not all will admit their goal/hope is control their opponent, keep the game close with a chance to win at the end. Averaging 30 points game is rare. Only three teams did it last year, none 2017 and one 2016. Remember John Madden would always make a point of which teams D was on the field the longest before halftime. Don't care how good of D you have, players get tired. When it happens human nature kicks in ( mistakes, taking plays off, fatigue). Other words, give me ball control/TOP every day.

Hennessy_King · Jul 22, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
Points per game do not matter

Points allowed per drive, points scored per drive, turnovers created per drive, and turnovers committed per drive are what matters.

Yessir. Everyone worries about how the defense is in total yards. Means absolutely nothing. Our defense is still bottom half of the league in turnovers. Hence everytime our offense has to score they have to drove 80 yards

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 22, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
Yessir. Everyone worries about how the defense is in total yards. Means absolutely nothing. Our defense is still bottom half of the league in turnovers. Hence everytime our offense has to score they have to drove 80 yards

Starting field position HAS to improve this year. Special teams has to step up as well.

Jake · Jul 22, 2019

12+88=7 said:
Ball control or 30 points a game

Which offense do you believe will achieve winning a Super Bowl?

The Dallas Cowboys have never won a playoff game when the opponent puts up 30 (or more), so give me 30 points a game AND ball control.

Opponents have scored 86 points in Dak's three playoff games. The one time they didn't hit 30 is the one the Cowboys won.

Ball control or 30 points a game

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