Twitter: Extension Elliott looking for would exceed Gurley's 4yr $57.5 million deal

NotForLong · Jul 26, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
So basically you have no clue what you're talking about.

Zeke runs into league average fronts. This phony narrative has been debunked ad nauseam. Don't be one of those guys that makes silly comments.

Debunked? By who "Experts" with "Agendas"

My eyes don't lie son

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 26, 2019

NotForLong said:
Debunked? By who "Experts" with "Agendas"

My eyes don't lie son

They either lie or you need to get them checked. It's one or the other.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#yards

Diehardblues · Jul 26, 2019

glimmerman said:
SJ said he has money set to the side for negotiations. He said he knows it starts with gurly money and goes up some. I am guessing this is why the Cooper contract isn’t done. The FO isn’t dumb, they anticipated this happening.

Good points.

Initially I though Elliott might have caught our ownership off guard like he has the fans but the more I think about it maybe not. This might explain why they haven’t extended Prescott or Cooper yet.

NotForLong · Jul 26, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Now there’s a thought This could save us millions on Prescott to pay Elliott. Lol

Exactly

AbeBeta · Jul 26, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
Lol it's not per catch to per run, it's the totality of the season.

It even says explicitly on the x-axis total plays, and thinking Beasley adds 40 point per catch would be something else.

AGAIN folks, you have to be knowledgable of the topic.

You cannot compare expected points on runs to expected points on passes. They are two completely different things.

It obviously isn't per play on the y axis, otherwise the x axis would not be there.

Also - I reiterate. The statistical model used to generate this graph has Beasley as adding 40 points. He scored 3 TDs all year. Yet, you are telling me that this model is accurate?

Statistical models are PREDICTIONS. To assess the relative value of a model we compare the PREDICTED outcomes to the ACTUAL outcomes.

The actual outcomes do not match the predictions ... in fact they are way off. The only conclusion in that situation is that your model does not accurately represent reality.

But please - keep pushing your agenda - now supported by meaningless statistics.

Man, this analytics revolution has people thinking they know something when they really have no clue.

Diehardblues · Jul 26, 2019

NotForLong said:
Exactly

This might be why we haven’t extended Dak or Coop yet.

Maybe we want to see what they or our offense is without Elliott and then react accordingly.

NotForLong · Jul 26, 2019

aria said:
Lol, another bitter Dak hater who hasn’t gotten over Romo and is dreaming of the past while making ridiculous matter of fact statements such as “if Tony was QB in 2016 we would have won a Super Bowl already”. Lol, I thought your kind was near extinction by now yet here you are.

Zeke should get all the credit? Zero mention of the O line which is where the credit truly belongs. Without that O line Zeke is just another slightly above average RB.

Like I've said before. My last account was banned for criticizing Romo . . . So what's your Narrative Now

aria · Jul 26, 2019

NotForLong said:
Like I've said before. My last account was banned for criticizing Romo . . . So what's your Narrative Now

Same as it was, you’re ridiculous for making a matter of fact statement about how we would have won a Super Bowl if Romo started in 2016. I really don’t care why your account was banned.

NotForLong · Jul 26, 2019

aria said:
Yeah, 13-3 was the result of a stupid decision. How many times did your boy go 13-3 in his career? Please spare me the “they wasted his career” excuse.

Not to mention Romo would have never even made it through the season.

I give the Credit of 13-3 to the Oline and Zeke.
It was at a time when the Dime defense was the base formation of 90% of the NFL . . . Or do you have Amnesia

Diehardblues · Jul 26, 2019

AbeBeta said:
You cannot compare expected points on runs to expected points on passes. They are two completely different things.

It obviously isn't per play on the y axis, otherwise the x axis would not be there.

Also - I reiterate. The statistical model used to generate this graph has Beasley as adding 40 points. He scored 3 TDs all year. Yet, you are telling me that this model is accurate?

Statistical models are PREDICTIONS. To assess the relative value of a model we compare the PREDICTED outcomes to the ACTUAL outcomes.

The actual outcomes do not match the predictions ... in fact they are way off. The only conclusion in that situation is that your model does not accurately represent reality.

But please - keep pushing your agenda - now supported by meaningless statistics.

Man, this analytics revolution has people thinking they know something when they really have no clue.

Yep

They pick and choose stats to support their opinion, narrative and or agenda.

NotForLong · Jul 26, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
They either lie or you need to get them checked. It's one or the other.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#yards

Right on cue a link to a "Stat" so pathetic

aria · Jul 26, 2019

NotForLong said:
I give the Credit of 13-3 to the Oline and Zeke.
It was at a time when the Dime defense was the base formation of 90% of the NFL . . . Or do you have Amnesia

Oh, now you bring up the O line after I mentioned it. Convenient. That’s not what you said in your original post. Figure out what you’re trying to say then use your words, not the other way around.

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 26, 2019

AbeBeta said:
You cannot compare expected points on runs to expected points on passes. They are two completely different things.

It obviously isn't per play on the y axis, otherwise the x axis would not be there.

Also - I reiterate. The statistical model used to generate this graph has Beasley as adding 40 points. He scored 3 TDs all year. Yet, you are telling me that this model is accurate?

Statistical models are PREDICTIONS. To assess the relative value of a model we compare the PREDICTED outcomes to the ACTUAL outcomes.

The actual outcomes do not match the predictions ... in fact they are way off. The only conclusion in that situation is that your model does not accurately represent reality.

But please - keep pushing your agenda - now supported by meaningless statistics.

Man, this analytics revolution has people thinking they know something when they really have no clue.

I'll reiterate: You don't gain EPA just from TDs, just like an 8 yard catch on 3rd and 7 adds more EPA than a 15 yard run on 3rd and 20. I already stated this, and I guess it didnt click with you.

You saying TWICE now that since Beasley had 18 points scored, his EPA can't be 40 highlights you do not understand the graph.

You can compare runs and passes, it's in the graph.

This graph isn't saying Beasley is a better player than Zeke. This graph is saying last year Beasley far and away helped to team win more than Zeke on their touches. This is partly to do with play calling, partly to do with the fact that running backs don't really help you win, and partly because of performance. That's all.

The only conclusion we can make is that you can't correctly digest the graph. Unless of course you think you know way better than Vegas, which you obviously do not.

This statistical model IS NOT A PREDICTION, IT WAS AN OUTPUT AS RESULTS. It's not predicting what will happen in 2018, IT ALREADY HAPPENED

I will end the conversation here.

NotForLong · Jul 26, 2019

Diehardblues said:
This might be why we haven’t extended Dak or Coop yet.

Maybe we want to see what they or our offense is without Elliott and then react accordingly.

I am thinking this may be closer then the truth then we realize.

I just want to thank you for your posts in this thread . . . you Owned it. Its nice to read the opinions of someone who can see clearly

iceberg · Jul 26, 2019

put in the contract that if he gets suspended for any games at all due to conduct issues, he loses the salary for the entire year.

408Cowboy · Jul 26, 2019

Looking through this thread I see a bunch of people that got upset with Irving for leaving millions of dollars on the table. Too bad they're all now throwing a fit for someone else not doing the same.

NotForLong · Jul 26, 2019

aria said:
Same as it was, you’re ridiculous for making a matter of fact statement about how we would have won a Super Bowl if Romo started in 2016. I really don’t care why your account was banned.

I am telling you this because your preconceived notion of me is 100% wrong.

I say Super Bowl as a matter of Fact because a saw a mediocre Rookie QB go 13-3 with a team that had the biggest advantage in 20 yrs.

A dominate Oline and RB in a league with defenses designed to stop the Pass (most teams couldn't even put 3 good LB's on the field because GM's were "Looking" for the next Honey Badger

Falco78 · Jul 26, 2019

PAPPYDOG said:
Emmitt had Aikman who would gut the Rams out as they we're playing 8 in the box to Stop Zeke.
Where was our Passing game in the 1st half?
Once again when it was garbage time Dak started to move the team with dinkers and runs....

Neither did anything which is more a showing of the HC or OC

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 26, 2019

NotForLong said:
Right on cue a link to a "Stat" so pathetic

Right on cue with proving you wrong* :thumbup:

Go get then eyes check boy!

Diehardblues · Jul 26, 2019

Cowboys offense still runs through Elliott

https://insidethestar.com/despite-changes-cowboys-offense-still-runs-through-ezekiel-elliott/

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