Twitter: Extension Elliott looking for would exceed Gurley's 4yr $57.5 million deal

NotForLong · Jul 26, 2019

aria said:
Oh, now you bring up the O line after I mentioned it. Convenient. That’s not what you said in your original post. Figure out what you’re trying to say then use your words, not the other way around.

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Read every post I ever written 2016 was all about the Oline and Zeke. Never about Dak any football enthusiasts new that.

NotForLong · Jul 26, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
Right on cue with proving you wrong*

Go get then eyes check boy!

Umm what?

I said I go by what my eyes see, not stats.

You post a stat

And now you claim you proved what I see because of a stat.

Your brain doesn't work that well does it?

Diehardblues · Jul 26, 2019

Do the Daksters really want to start the season without Elliott?

Falco78 · Jul 26, 2019

408Cowboy said:
Looking through this thread I see a bunch of people that got upset with Irving for leaving millions of dollars on the table. Too bad they're all now throwing a fit for someone else not doing the same.

They did the same thing, but not having league intervention due to suspension for weed makes a huge difference.

408Cowboy · Jul 26, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Do the Daksters really want to start the season without Elliott?

I would be interested in seeing how that goes

Diehardblues · Jul 26, 2019

It’s much like with Romo rooters. No one is safe from the wrath from Daksters. They’ll bash anyone to prop their boy up. The drama

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Diehardblues · Jul 26, 2019

408Cowboy said:
I would be interested in seeing how that goes

We might get to find out. Too bad we don’t have any history to reference. Oh wait...

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 26, 2019

NotForLong said:
Umm what?

I said I go by what my eyes see, not stats.

You post a stat

And now you claim you proved what I see because of a stat.

Your brain doesn't work that well does it?

If you can't understand that making a claim, somebody coming back with stats that were based off someone watching every play and chatting the men in the box debunking your claim, and then you brushing off those stats/facts and you deferring to your untrained eye test as a better measure is an EXTREMELY bad look for you, then there's not much left to be said here.

You go by what your eyes see? That's great. It'll lead you to being wrong many times if that's all you're going to use, but if you're okay with being wrong then continue on. Your eyes nor your brain are functioning properly.

What will be said is to get those eyes checked! We need them ready for week 1, and they aren't working properly as of right now!

AbeBeta · Jul 26, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
I'll reiterate: You don't gain EPA just from TDs, just like an 8 yard catch on 3rd and 7 adds more EPA than a 15 yard run on 3rd and 20. I already stated this, and I guess it didnt click with you.

You saying TWICE now that since Beasley had 18 points scored, his EPA can't be 40 highlights you do not understand the graph.

You can compare runs and passes, it's in the graph.

This graph isn't saying Beasley is a better player than Zeke. This graph is saying last year Beasley far and away helped to team win more than Zeke on their touches. This is partly to do with play calling, partly to do with the fact that running backs don't really help you win, and partly because of performance. That's all.

The only conclusion we can make is that you can't correctly digest the graph. Unless of course you think you know way better than Vegas, which you obviously do not.

This statistical model IS NOT A PREDICTION, IT WAS AN OUTPUT AS RESULTS. It's not predicting what will happen in 2018, IT ALREADY HAPPENED

I will end the conversation here.

"This statistical model IS NOT A PREDICTION, IT WAS AN OUTPUT AS RESULTS. It's not predicting what will happen in 2018, IT ALREADY HAPPENED"

Hilarious. EPA - EXPECTED points added. Statistical models ARE PREDICTION MODELS that attempt to fit actual outcomes based on complete data. That's what statistical modelling is. You suggest is it correct because you have "results" - that's just plain ignorance to statistical modelling.

More generally, you need to compare statistical models to reality.

Is Cole Beasley more valuable to the team than Ezekiel Elliot? Any reasonable person knows the answer to this question.

Finally, I'll note that Elliott's value is far more than the #s he puts up. How'd it go for Bease when Elliot was suspended? 12 catches for 137 yards with 0 TDs. That's some value!!!!

Corso · Jul 26, 2019

Diehardblues said:
It’s much like with Romo rooters. No one is safe from the wrath from Daksters. They’ll bash anyone to prop their boy up. The drama

Lol... "Romo rooters". Hilarious.

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 26, 2019

AbeBeta said:
"This statistical model IS NOT A PREDICTION, IT WAS AN OUTPUT AS RESULTS. It's not predicting what will happen in 2018, IT ALREADY HAPPENED"

Hilarious. EPA - EXPECTED points added. Statistical models ARE PREDICTION MODELS that attempt to fit actual outcomes based on complete data. That's what statistical modelling is. You suggest is it correct because you have "results" - that's just plain ignorance to statistical modelling.

More generally, you need to compare statistical models to reality.

Is Cole Beasley more valuable to the team than Ezekiel Elliot? Any reasonable person knows the answer to this question.

Finally, I'll note that Elliott's value is far more than the #s he puts up. How'd it go for Bease when Elliot was suspended? 12 catches for 137 yards with 0 TDs. That's some value!!!!

This is so bad :facepalm:

Tenkamenin · Jul 26, 2019

Cowboysfan1975 said:
Well he is better than Gurly and doesn't have a chronic injury that could shorten his career. Just pay him and lets get this season going.

Yup, pay the man and let's move forward.

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 26, 2019

Tenkamenin said:
Yup, pay the man and let's move forward.

Or move backward, depending how you see it.

aria · Jul 26, 2019

NotForLong said:
I am telling you this because your preconceived notion of me is 100% wrong.

I say Super Bowl as a matter of Fact because a saw a mediocre Rookie QB go 13-3 with a team that had the biggest advantage in 20 yrs.

A dominate Oline and RB in a league with defenses designed to stop the Pass (most teams couldn't even put 3 good LB's on the field because GM's were "Looking" for the next Honey Badger

So no credit to Dak and Romo would have got us a Super Bowl. Gotchya

NotForLong · Jul 26, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
If you can't understand that making a claim, somebody coming back with stats that were based off someone watching every play and chatting the men in the box debunking your claim, and then you brushing off those stats/facts and you deferring to your untrained eye test as a better measure is an EXTREMELY bad look for you, then there's not much left to be said here.

What will be said is to get those eyes checked! We need them ready for week 1, and they aren't working properly as of right now!

How are my eyes untrained? I've been watching football for over 35 years.

I speak Nothning but truth. I don't watch ESPN I don't watch NFL Network. I simply watch the game. . . So unlike you Ibdont have Talking Points or Stats to support a Narrative or Agenda.

If my eyes saw something else. . . I would support Dak

But you on the Other hand Support Dak and use Talking Points and "Stats" to fit your agenda.

PAPPYDOG · Jul 26, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Cowboys offense still runs through Elliott

https://insidethestar.com/despite-changes-cowboys-offense-still-runs-through-ezekiel-elliott/

Anyone with half a brain can pretty much confirm this.
It's either Zeke or Die for our offense!

aria · Jul 26, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Cowboys offense still runs through Elliott

https://insidethestar.com/despite-changes-cowboys-offense-still-runs-through-ezekiel-elliott/

So they already know all about Moore’s plans, very impressive! If this offense still runs through Zeke with little change, which is what the article implies, then why should we pay a RB that much money only to be ranked in the bottom half of the league offensively?

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 26, 2019

NotForLong said:
How are my eyes untrained? I've been watching football for over 35 years.

I speak Nothning but truth. I don't watch ESPN I don't watch NFL Network. I simply watch the game. . . So unlike you Ibdont have Talking Points or Stats to support a Narrative or Agenda.

If my eyes saw something else. . . I would support Dak

But you on the Other hand Support Dak and use Talking Points and "Stats" to fit your agenda.

"How are my eyes untrained?" You thought Zeke ran into 9 man boxes when he ran into league average boxes!?!??! How much more untrained could they be?

Talking points and stats I provide > nothing you provide

Diehardblues · Jul 26, 2019

NotForLong said:
How are my eyes untrained? I've been watching football for over 35 years.

I speak Nothning but truth. I don't watch ESPN I don't watch NFL Network. I simply watch the game. . . So unlike you Ibdont have Talking Points or Stats to support a Narrative or Agenda.

If my eyes saw something else. . . I would support Dak

But you on the Other hand Support Dak and use Talking Points and "Stats" to fit your agenda.

Remember he was apparently a Quincy supporter as well. If not then a reminder how awful that era was. Sounds fishy to me

aria · Jul 26, 2019

NotForLong said:
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Read every post I ever written 2016 was all about the Oline and Zeke. Never about Dak any football enthusiasts new that.

I’m not reading all your posts, nor do I care to, the post I referenced was in this thread in which you said Zeke deserves all the credit and you made zero mention of the O line until I brought it up.

Twitter: Extension Elliott looking for would exceed Gurley's 4yr $57.5 million deal

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There are no Dak haters just Cowboy lovers!!!

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