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Yep

I’d only sign Zeke now cause he’s forcing the issue.

We can push Dak until next year and Cooper too. I really can’t see ya signing Cooper long term. I see him more of a Franchise Tag next year.

And unless Dak develops into more than an average passer I’d pay him as such. In the mid 20 million range.
Why cant they sign Cooper? And please dont say the Michael Thomas contract because its basically a this yr at 1mil and 3 yrs after and can either be restructured the following yr or release him with minimal charge in dead cap.
 

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Too late. Don't ask someone what they want for dinner and then tell them you're not cooking.

This should have been kept on the QT but now it's all out in the open and Prescott's value and worth being openly discussed on sports shows the individual's ego will get involved, that is inevitable. No way he's taking anything in the 20's now and he and his agent know the Cowboys limited options but way beyond that is one irrefutable fact, they know the Joneses need to look good. What if they play hardball with Prescott, take a chance at drafting his replacement and they come up snake eyes? We're talking about a team that relies more on luck than skill to find a QB. If not for Payton being there and Elway out bidding them in a trade, we might be wishing we were CLE and DET fans.

Y'all can talk all ya want about Booger being this great businessman but he's a crappy negotiator because he breaks the first cardinal rule of negotiation, never, NEVER, tell the other party what you're thinking. LMAO, he and his idiot son tell everyone.

This is what I think happened and part of it I know. The younger magpie went out there shooting his mouth off without really thinking it through, that's the part I know. Once they sat down and started calculating just how much they would have committed to the O side of the ball and the ultimate effect on the D side, the part they were trying to build, they freaked. Add to that 21M to one D player. This team could have the highest payroll on the O side of the ball and not crack the top 10 in O. Unlike Booger's ridiculous comment about Romo, I do not buy players play better the better they're paid. They could be paying for a Rolls Royce O and watching a Dodge one play.

Damn me, I wish this wasn't my team because I'd really like to watch these two aholes flame out.
If they overpay Dak for his talent level and he can’t eventually carry this team it won’t matter.

And we can root our team on while sitting here saying we saw it coming.
 

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Why cant they sign Cooper? And please dont say the Michael Thomas contract because its basically a thus yr at 1mil and 3 yrs after and can either be restructured the following yr or release him with minimal charge in dead cap.
I didn’t say they couldn’t.
 

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Dak and Cooper are already signed for 2019 they have until March to resign them. Neither of them are holding out and arent concerned that a deal wont get done. Elliot is a different case because RBs are disposable in the NFL, but what he is failing to realize is the Cowboys dont operate like that. They take care of their stars. So IMO hes wrong here especially after the loyalty Jerry has shown him.
The Elliott situation is more critical here than most teams with Elite RB’s. Our offense is built to dominate and the ground. And our QB effectiveness is dependent on Elite talent to keep defenses honest.

Most teams aren’t as dependent on an Elite RB. That’s what makes this situation so delicate. We might look foolish paying our QB big money if he stinks it up without Zeke.
 

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Dallas has been making smart moves and signings for a few yrs now. This will be no different
They have made better moves overall in recent years but still some questionable decisions and timing.

For example while releasing Murray and Dez were sound Cap moves they didn’t realize or anticipate that RB and WR by Committee would have such impacts which forced them the need to over react in following draft with Elliott and a desperate mid season trade last year.

The same could be the case this year by not having a better plan when these difficult Cap decisions are made without suitable replacement which places those seasons in jeopardy.

There’s another big risk here. If they let Zeke walk and over pay Dak that’s not going to look very smart if Dak struggles without Elliott.
 

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The Elliott situation is more critical here than most teams with Elite RB’s. Our offense is built to dominate and the ground. And our QB effectiveness is dependent on Elite talent to keep defenses honest.

Most teams aren’t as dependent on an Elite RB. That’s what makes this situation so delicate. We might look foolish paying our QB big money if he stinks it up without Zeke.
You never know what you got until you let them play.

Everybody thought 2016 was lost because Romo got hurt.
 

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They have made better moves overall in recent years but still some questionable decisions.

For example while releasing Murray and Dez were sound Cap moves they didn’t realize or anticipate that RB and WR by Committee would have such impacts which forced them the need to over react in following draft with Elliott and a desperate mid season trade last year.

The same could be the case this year by not having a better plan when these difficult Cap decisions are made without suitable replacement which places those seasons in jeopardy.

There’s another big risk here. If they let Zeke walk and over pay Dak that’s not going to look very smart if Dak struggles without Elliott.
How did that desperate trade work out?
 

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You never know what you got until you let them play.

Everybody thought 2016 was lost because Romo got hurt.
Roll the dice then with Daks career. I suspect if it starts like last year Jerry will be dashing out the sky box to sign Zeke.
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How did that desperate trade work out?
I’d say the verdict is still out. It probably saved Daks career for now and extended the season.

The bigger point is a desperate move was needed. They aren’t always going to work out.
 

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Dak and Cooper are already signed for 2019 they have until March to resign them. Neither of them are holding out and arent concerned that a deal wont get done. Elliot is a different case because RBs are disposable in the NFL, but what he is failing to realize is the Cowboys dont operate like that. They take care of their stars. So IMO hes wrong here especially after the loyalty Jerry has shown him.
Can't argue with that.
 

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...now he doesn't know whether to slay it or feed it!
Jerry going around and telling every open mic that we were going to sign Dak, Coop and Zeke. What did he expect? If he doesn't sign these guys it's gonna be a long tension filled season. Zeke gets signed and Dak doesn't, I don't think Dak will be happy and vice versa. He needs to find a way to sign them all before the season. IMO
Your post is just conjecture. You nor I have any idea of the inner workings of the Cowboys organization and contract negotiations. Just keeping it real.
 

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Dak and Cooper are already signed for 2019 they have until March to resign them. Neither of them are holding out and arent concerned that a deal wont get done. Elliot is a different case because RBs are disposable in the NFL, but what he is failing to realize is the Cowboys dont operate like that. They take care of their stars. So IMO hes wrong here especially after the loyalty Jerry has shown him.
Loyalty, funny word in the NFL. Booger wasn't loyal to Elliott, he wanted him to play for him. And he didn't get pissed because Elliott was suspended, he got pissed because he shot his mouth off saying he would not get suspended and was embarrassed.

We don't know if Prescott or Cooper is concerned because the Joneses are the ones that started this new contract talk and now that has opened Pandora's Box. If they capitulate to Elliott, they set a precedent for future players to hold out with two years left on their contract.

The NFL is stupid and invites these issues that overshadow the game. There is a simple solution to this in the future but it won't stop all holdouts. The 5th year option and franchise tags are all for the owners to take advantage of 1st round overperformers, like Elliott, and the tags are rewards for poor cap management. Dump both of these and if a team cannot come to terms with a player by the FA date, he's a FA. The franchise tag has contributed more to the escalating salaries than anything else. Cousins tag became the base mark for QB's. And tagging Lawrence is what led to that contract.
 

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Your post is just conjecture. You nor I have any idea of the inner workings of the Cowboys organization and contract negotiations. Just keeping it real.
No, it's not, both of the Joneses started this whole extend them thing and have now boxed themselves in.

It is true we do not know the behind the scenes, and we all offer conjecture on what we think is happening, but part of what Ranching put up there is public knowledge, we all could hear and see that.

They took what could have been just rumor and made it fact and now you have Booger asking the media if he's ever failed to sign a star. Think Elliott's agent isn't liking that?

The real problem with this team is that father-son showoff team that can't keep their mouths shut. They're so focused on being media darlings and pushing celebrity status, they do what many celebrities do, they talk too much.
 

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Your post is just conjecture. You nor I have any idea of the inner workings of the Cowboys organization and contract negotiations. Just keeping it real.
Have you ever met Jerry? I have. I know how he thinks. Let me call him and I'll get back to you.
 

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Why cant they sign Cooper? And please dont say the Michael Thomas contract because its basically a this yr at 1mil and 3 yrs after and can either be restructured the following yr or release him with minimal charge in dead cap.
Pay too many players huge contracts, and we'll be left w/ subpar backups and JAG's.
 
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