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I kinda get tired of people who say that the only ones who are said to have to honor the contract are the players.

This is a complete fallacy. The contract allows for a player to be cut, that is the reason for the signing bonus and guaranteed money That is how the owners honor the contract according to the CBA. If you don't like the CBA, then fine, but you cannot say that the only ones expected to honor the contract are the players.

The NFLPA agreed to the 5th year option in rookie contracts, they did not have to do that but the older players were fine with limiting younger players salaries for the benefit of their own pocketbook.

Love watching Zeke play but why have a CBA and an NFLPA if you are not going to stick to the agreement? Nobody should be forced to go to work, so stay home Zeke if you want to ruin your career! If he does not show up week 1, I hope the Cowboys take the current offer off the table!
 

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aikemirv said:
I kinda get tired of people who say that the only ones who are said to have to honor the contract are the players.

This is a complete fallacy. The contract allows for a player to be cut, that is the reason for the signing bonus and guaranteed money That is how the owners honor the contract according to the CBA. If you don't like the CBA, then fine, but you cannot say that the only ones expected to honor the contract are the players.

The NFLPA agreed to the 5th year option in rookie contracts, they did not have to do that but the older players were fine with limiting younger players salaries for the benefit of their own pocketbook.

Love watching Zeke play but why have a CBA and an NFLPA if you are not going to stick to the agreement? Nobody should be forced to go to work, so stay home Zeke if you want to ruin your career! If he does not show up week 1, I hope the Cowboys take the current offer off the table!
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If the contract allows for a player to be cut, then cutting him is following the contract.

The players have traded getting huge amounts in a contract for less guaranteed money. They have the choice to get a ton more guaranteed money if they drop the "I wanna be paid more than soandso or I'm going to hold my breath!!!!"
 
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aikemirv said:
I kinda get tired of people who say that the only ones who are said to have to honor the contract are the players.

This is a complete fallacy. The contract allows for a player to be cut, that is the reason for the signing bonus and guaranteed money That is how the owners honor the contract according to the CBA. If you don't like the CBA, then fine, but you cannot say that the only ones expected to honor the contract are the players.

The NFLPA agreed to the 5th year option in rookie contracts, they did not have to do that but the older players were fine with limiting younger players salaries for the benefit of their own pocketbook.

Love watching Zeke play but why have a CBA and an NFLPA if you are not going to stick to the agreement? Nobody should be forced to go to work, so stay home Zeke if you want to ruin your career! If he does not show up week 1, I hope the Cowboys take the current offer off the table!
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Some good points here my friend and I don’t disagree with most of what you’re saying.

But something else to think about from a player's perspective. A player’s window of time to make the most money in their life is between 4-6 years in this league. Compared to the other major sports leagues, NFL players make a smaller piece of the pie despite being the most important piece of the NFL product. I don’t like Zeke’s holdout- I think it is wrong with two years left on his contract. But the owners bear some responsibility here because of the way they have set up the player's power to bargain.

You almost never see holdouts in the NBA, MLB and the NHL. Players in those leagues have better contractual rights and make a higher percentage of the league's profits.

Again, I don’t like these holdouts either. But the owners are just as much to blame for them as the players in my opinion.
 
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Bobhaze said:
Some good points here my friend and I don’t disagree with most of what you’re saying.

But something else to think about from a player's perspective. A player’s window of time to make the most money in their life is between 4-6 years in this league. Compared to the other major sports leagues, NFL players make a smaller piece of the pie despite being the most important piece of the NFL product. I don’t like Zeke’s holdout- I think it is wrong with two years left on his contract. But the owners bear some responsibility here because of the way they have set up the player's power to bargain.

You almost never see holdouts in the NBA, MLB and the NHL. Players in those leagues have better contractual rights and make a higher percentage of the league's profits.

Again, I don’t like these holdouts either. But the owners are just as much to blame for them as the players in my opinion.
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I understand Zeke' s situation and his "playing window" and he absolutely has a concern here. The fact is though that the senior players in the league who negotiate these CBA deals did not take any concern for the rookie deals and their playing window. They sacrificed those concerns for the vets (their own) salaries and contracts.

I do think the players have as much bargaining power as they can stomach though!
 
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The main issue I have with Zeke is the timing. This is not the year to hold out. He has 2 years left on his current deal and we have other players we must sign THIS year. I get the man wants his money and all that and I don't blame him for wanting that but after everything this team has done for him to hold out this year is just wrong. He should have showed up to camp and getting prepared to play this year. Most of the time, I don't think the players owe a team anything, do what you go to do to get yours, after all, you are one play away from retirement every day. So I get it.. but in this case, I think Zeke does owe Jerry and the FO something, after they have went to battle for him. To me this is just him spitting in the face of Jerry after everything Jerry has done for him and that is what makes me the most upset about this. If I was Jerry, I wouldn't budge, play or stay at home and get 0 money, those are the two options if I am Jerry.
 
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Bobhaze said:
Some good points here my friend and I don’t disagree with most of what you’re saying.

But something else to think about from a player's perspective. A player’s window of time to make the most money in their life is between 4-6 years in this league. Compared to the other major sports leagues, NFL players make a smaller piece of the pie despite being the most important piece of the NFL product. I don’t like Zeke’s holdout- I think it is wrong with two years left on his contract. But the owners bear some responsibility here because of the way they have set up the player's power to bargain.

You almost never see holdouts in the NBA, MLB and the NHL. Players in those leagues have better contractual rights and make a higher percentage of the league's profits.

Again, I don’t like these holdouts either. But the owners are just as much to blame for them as the players in my opinion.
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I'm not begrudging anyone of exercising their rights.

Teams have the right to cut players if they feel they're not worth the money. That's not honoring the original contract both parties agreed to.

And Elliott has the right to stay away and hold out for more money.

And the Cowboys have the right not to pay him more than they're comfortable with. And they have the right to fine him, under the CBA. And the also have the right to sign or trade for any running back they choose in an effort to replace him.

All parties involved are within their rights to act they way they are.
 

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I'm not begrudging anyone of exercising their rights.

Teams have the right to cut players if they feel they're not worth the money. That's not honoring the original contract both parties agreed to.

And Elliott has the right to stay away and hold out for more money.

And the Cowboys have the right not to pay him more than they're comfortable with. And they have the right to fine him, under the CBA. And the also have the right to sign or trade for any running back they choose in an effort to replace him.

All parties involved are within their rights to act they way they are.
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Yeah, I have to agree w/ that.

Almost any person has the right to quit their job at any time. (Might be some exceptions in the govt or something, don't know). And the employer has the right to take action against them.
 
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I dont begrudge players anything.
These guys are almost certainly shortening their lives and risking later life health.

All that said, the system is the system and I on;t begrudge teams from trying to manage cap space to provide the most talent per dollar in this system.

I am mad at no one for any of these deals.
I'm not mad Dez held out, not mad Dez was paid then got hurt.
Not mad about Crawford making a ton nor mad the team let Hitchens go get his bankbag elsewhere.
It is what it is and these things arent easy.
 
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stasheroo said:
I'm not begrudging anyone of exercising their rights.

Teams have the right to cut players if they feel they're not worth the money. That's not honoring the original contract both parties agreed to.

And Elliott has the right to stay away and hold out for more money.

And the Cowboys have the right not to pay him more than they're comfortable with. And they have the right to fine him, under the CBA. And the also have the right to sign or trade for any running back they choose in an effort to replace him.

All parties involved are within their rights to act they way they are.
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Sure it is because it is in the contract language that they can do so, otherwise they would be sued. To honor the contract Zeke should have to start paying some fines!
 
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kskboys said:
If the contract allows for a player to be cut, then cutting him is following the contract.

The players have traded getting huge amounts in a contract for less guaranteed money. They have the choice to get a ton more guaranteed money if they drop the "I wanna be paid more than soandso or I'm going to hold my breath!!!!"
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This x100

Funny thing with Zeke is his contract is fully guaranteed. He gets a career ending injury this season his payout is 34 million dollars with only having to play 2 full NFL seasons...... (would love his agent to repeat that sentence to the front office then immediately after with a straight face say "your ruining/screwing my clients life")
 

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aikemirv said:
I kinda get tired of people who say that the only ones who are said to have to honor the contract are the players.

This is a complete fallacy. The contract allows for a player to be cut, that is the reason for the signing bonus and guaranteed money That is how the owners honor the contract according to the CBA. If you don't like the CBA, then fine, but you cannot say that the only ones expected to honor the contract are the players.

The NFLPA agreed to the 5th year option in rookie contracts, they did not have to do that but the older players were fine with limiting younger players salaries for the benefit of their own pocketbook.

Love watching Zeke play but why have a CBA and an NFLPA if you are not going to stick to the agreement? Nobody should be forced to go to work, so stay home Zeke if you want to ruin your career! If he does not show up week 1, I hope the Cowboys take the current offer off the table!
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I am kind of confused by your post a little bit. The contract cuts both ways. Owners can cut a player anytime they want, the only impact for the team is the dead money. The players risks not getting paid the salary for when he holds out.
In the Zeke situation, I understand both sides of the argument.
Zeke's perspective: He doesn't buy the argument that RB's are a replaceable position, and they matter to winning. Why did the Cowboys draft me at #4 if they didn't want to offer me a second contract? The success of the team relies on him much more than Dak or other players.
Plus Jerry is old and he will not see another SB if this latest iteration of the Cowboys don't get there.

Cowboys perspective: We drafted you because we thought you were a good player. You have two years left. The Gurley contract was absurd and we should have drafted Ramsey ( I added the Ramsey part).
Hold out. We will not pay you Gurley's contract number. We have offered you a deal and you want to break the bank.
 
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stasheroo said:
I'm not begrudging anyone of exercising their rights.

Teams have the right to cut players if they feel they're not worth the money. That's not honoring the original contract both parties agreed to.

And Elliott has the right to stay away and hold out for more money.

And the Cowboys have the right not to pay him more than they're comfortable with. And they have the right to fine him, under the CBA. And the also have the right to sign or trade for any running back they choose in an effort to replace him.

All parties involved are within their rights to act they way they are.
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But if cut the player usually has already pocketed their bonus monies.
 
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kskboys said:
Yeah, I have to agree w/ that.

Almost any person has the right to quit their job at any time. (Might be some exceptions in the govt or something, don't know). And the employer has the right to take action against them.
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Or more importantly, to replace them.

The fact is that the Cowboys offense is the ideal situation for any running back in the league. Nowhere will you find more of an investment having been made in the offensive line and running game. No other team has such a commitment to it either. The conditions are perfect for any prospective running back. Just the way they were for:
  1. Demarco Murray
  2. Darren McFadden
  3. Ezekiel Elliott
  4. The next running back
The pattern of success is both clear and irrefutable. This team was successful running the ball before Elliott, and they will be successful after him as well. That's not taking away from his obvious abilities, it's a statement of fact, with the productivity and statistics to back it up. Devoid of emotion.
 

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I am kind of confused by your post a little bit. The contract cuts both ways. Owners can cut a player anytime they want, the only impact for the team is the dead money. The players risks not getting paid the salary for when he holds out.
In the Zeke situation, I understand both sides of the argument.
Zeke's perspective: He doesn't buy the argument that RB's are a replaceable position, and they matter to winning. Why did the Cowboys draft me at #4 if they didn't want to offer me a second contract? The success of the team relies on him much more than Dak or other players.
Plus Jerry is old and he will not see another SB if this latest iteration of the Cowboys don't get there.

Cowboys perspective: We drafted you because we thought you were a good player. You have two years left. The Gurley contract was absurd and we should have drafted Ramsey ( I added the Ramsey part).
Hold out. We will not pay you Gurley's contract number. We have offered you a deal and you want to break the bank.
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I agree w/ everything but the Ramsey part!!!!!!
 
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