Maybe the Millennials are truly ruining football

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CyberB0b said:
Was Emmitt Smith a millennial? End of thread.
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Nope. He was a player who was playing in an era where there was no cap and there was no rookie wage scale and he was also a player who didn't get paid the money an NFL rookie gets paid for being taken in the top 5. He also didn't try and do this in a season where Aikman and Irving were also up for new contracts so the answer to the question is no.

I think we can now safely open the thread again.

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ABQCOWBOY said:
Nope. He was a player who was playing in an era where there was no cap and there was no rookie wage scale and he was also a player who didn't get paid the money an NFL rookie gets paid for being taken in the top 5. He also didn't try and do this in a season where Aikman and Irving were also up for new contracts so the answer to the question is no.

I think we can now safely open the thread again.

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Who is Irving?

My point was holdouts have been happening for 30 years. It has nothing to do with when he was born. Athletes have always been entitled.
 
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Actually Jerry is responsible for Goodell. And "deflategate" puts a pretty big hole in your theory.
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After deflate-gate they won the Superbowl, and they got their 'punishment' the next year ... a few games suspension , thats all .
They went on to the superbowl , after cheating ! That is insane .
so actually, it proves my point .
 
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OMG, enough already. Zeke is not Bell, not even close. Jerry is not the Steelers and he has never underpaid Zeke. Stop already, this is propaganda.
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Of coarse he's not Bell, he's much better!
 
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ABQCOWBOY said:
Nope. He was a player who was playing in an era where there was no cap and there was no rookie wage scale and he was also a player who didn't get paid the money an NFL rookie gets paid for being taken in the top 5. He also didn't try and do this in a season where Aikman and Irving were also up for new contracts so the answer to the question is no.

I think we can now safely open the thread again.

Thank you,
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Bob-Lillys-War said:
After deflate-gate they won the Superbowl, and they got their 'punishment' the next year ... a few games suspension , thats all .
They went on to the superbowl , after cheating ! That is insane .
so actually, it proves my point .
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They also lost a first round pick. Goodell actually came down way too hard. The CBA says tampering with equipment is a 25k fine. Furthermore, the investigation proved nothing........other than the NFL front office doesn't understand basic physics.

And just FYI, Aikman did the same and said so. He liked a little less air when the ball was wet. I think you are going way out on a limb here. The Pats win the super bowl every other year.
 
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atlantacowboy said:
They also lost a first round pick. Goodell actually came down way too hard. The CBA says tampering with equipment is a 25k fine. Furthermore, the investigation proved nothing........other than the NFL front office doesn't understand basic physics.

And just FYI, Aikman did the same and said so. He liked a little less air when the ball was wet. I think you are going way out on a limb here.
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Aaron Rodgers said he liked his a little over the limit and it was crickets.
 
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Who is Irving?

My point was holdouts have been happening for 30 years. It has nothing to do with when he was born. Athletes have always been entitled.
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Holdouts have been happening for years, longer then 30 BTW but this business of holding out two years prior to your original contract, especially when your original contract was generous, that's relatively new. This business of holding out when you know you have key personnel in contract years, that's also something you didn't really see a lot of. Players used to know and understand that everybody gets a turn. Well, Zeke and his agent don't seem to care about that. Point being, if you are going to hold up Emmitt as the example or the standards and "see, same same!" Then you have to, at the very least, acknowledge the differences in each situation.

It has everything to do with when he was born because this did not exist, in this fashion, until recently.
 
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Of coarse he's not Bell, he's much better!
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That is debatable but that's not the point. He's Bell not because he didn't play for 1.7 Mil in his rookie year, 592K in his 2nd year, 731K in his 3rd year and 853K in his 4th year. This discussion is about money, not talent and you can easily discern that if you just read the thread so please, don't waste my time by making these kind of comments. It's crystal clear that we are talking about contracts here and not actual player comparisons based on skills.

So no, Zeke is not Bell and was never even close to Bell in terms of contracts. To compare the two situations and say they are the same is frankly, disingenuous.

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ABQCOWBOY said:
Holdouts have been happening for years, longer then 30 BTW but this business of holding out two years prior to your original contract, especially when your original contract was generous, that's relatively new. This business of holding out when you know you have key personnel in contract years, that's also something you didn't really see a lot of. Players used to know and understand that everybody gets a turn. Well, Zeke and his agent don't seem to care about that. Point being, if you are going to hold up Emmitt as the example or the standards and "see, same same!" Then you have to, at the very least, acknowledge the differences in each situation.

It has everything to do with when he was born because this did not exist, in this fashion, until recently.
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You can also acknowledge that the league's revenue has gone up exponentially since Emmitt's days, so that definitely accounts for the increase in wages and salaries across the board. Again, it has nothing to do with him being a millennial, and everything to do with him being a pro athlete.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2573085-20-infamous-sports-contract-holdouts-who-won#slide2

Here's 20 of the most famous holdouts over the years. It spans decades.
 
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You can also acknowledge that the league's revenue has gone up exponentially since Emmitt's days, so that definitely accounts for the increase in wages and salaries across the board. Again, it has nothing to do with him being a millennial, and everything to do with him being a pro athlete.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2573085-20-infamous-sports-contract-holdouts-who-won#slide2

Here's 20 of the most famous holdouts over the years. It spans decades.
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Absolutely true and I certainly get that. My main point is that you just don't have the flexibility, in terms of cap, to go ahead and give out substantial contracts to players who hold out, just because they want money now. The cap needs to be managed much more closely now because while Jerry probably has more then enough money, the rules dictate how much can be spent in any single cap year and it's not just 2019, for example, it's also all the out years. I mean, I know you know this but I'm just making the point that it's different now then it was then. Not only do you have to look at this cap year but 10 years out. It's certainly not something you can do when you know you have two other major deals you need to get closed and while I do get that a lot of fans look at this and say to themselves, Zeke is the best skill player we have and it's not even close, the fact of the matter is that it's just not something that the team is going to give as much weight to. They are going to look at position value, they are going to look at talent pool and they are going to look at where each player is, in terms of contract and FA. If a team knows they have 2 to 4 years before they have to hammer out a contract with one player, regardless of who the player is but they have one year to do a deal with the Starting QB, the priority is always going to be signing the QB. I mean, that's just how it works.

This is not to say that a deal can't be done but my opinion is that a deal won't be done with Zeke by giving him what he wants and getting Dak and Cooper to take much less. That's not going to happen IMO and proof of that is the fact that Zeke, himself, is taking the same position here. He wants to get paid and he wants to get paid at the top of the food chain. Why would he look at this and think that it would be any different for Dak or Cooper? They are going to want the same and that's why he's not going to get what he is asking for IMO. If he waited and realized the situation, he might but I suspect that this is not as much about money as it is to try and force the teams hand. I suspect that Zeke and his agent, want to try and force the Cowboys to use the tag on one of the other players so that it's not available to use on Zeke. They don't want the Cowboys to have four years. I get that but I don't think it will work.
 
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Every generation is different. The Millennials are uniquely different than my Generation X. They are a generation that doesn't respect authority, age, or status as their predecessors did. They expect those in charge to earn their respect rather than recognize titles.

This posses problems in careers that are built upon those traditional hierarchies as you may find in the military, police, and organized sports.

A millennial believes they are entitled to certain privileges and opportunities upon being hired. Hence the super star athletes who have been catered to their entire lives (21-27 years) believe they to are entitled hito thee highest salaries and statue.

EzE is a prime example of said entitlement. He agreed to his contact, yet his millennial ego is so fragile, he's demanding a contract compatible to the highest of stature....the team's QB.

The Millennials have done their best to damage the image of the NFL from the outside, and now they have began their campaign from within. They don't care about the team, but they are only "Out For Self."

The days of reconstruction of a player's contract for the betterment of the team is dead. Think about it, no millennial has done that as of late.....
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Set the salary cap down to say, $50 million. Let them split that up across the roster. Only those who love football will continue to play.
 
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408Cowboy said:
There wouldn't be football
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Yes, there would be football and a whole lot less prima donnas. Back in the '50s and '60's, most players did not make doodley squat. Most were probably under the poverty line. They had to work other jobs in the off season.
 

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Yes, there would be football and a whole lot less prima donnas. Back in the '50s and '60's, most players did not make doodley squat. Most were probably under the poverty line. They had to work other jobs in the off season.
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The players today don't even want hard practices. You going to tell these guys

"no more generational wealth contracts now you can fight over this 50 mill. remember there's 63 of you so make sure you split it evenly. oh yeah uh I guess the PS guys can take a little less. just make sure you give them something"

Meanwhile the owner is still making billions.

Yeah, there's no football after that.
 
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ABQCOWBOY said:
That is debatable but that's not the point. He's Bell not because he didn't play for 1.7 Mil in his rookie year, 592K in his 2nd year, 731K in his 3rd year and 853K in his 4th year. This discussion is about money, not talent and you can easily discern that if you just read the thread so please, don't waste my time by making these kind of comments. It's crystal clear that we are talking about contracts here and not actual player comparisons based on skills.

So no, Zeke is not Bell and was never even close to Bell in terms of contracts. To compare the two situations and say they are the same is frankly, disingenuous.

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What's crystal clear is that Zeke has clearly outplayed his contract and should be compensated for doing so immediately!
 
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