Strategic Error Made With Elliott?

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Would not even have made him an offer.

The Cowboys did...it should have been a lowball deal if he wanted to get paid early.
There it is. They open this can of worms on the radio and then begin to negotiate, the anger of the posters here is aimed at the wrong person.

They should have kept their mouths shut about all contracts, exercised the option and remained silent.
 

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He never said he deserved Gurley money. He said it "Probably" started at Gurley money. Not that they were going to start at Gurley money, that the agent will start at Gurley money. He talks too much but to blame him for saying it out loud where it was going to start, as if he gave the agent some kind of new parameters is just silly. People act like Zeke agent is his uncle joe and never done and never done a NFL contact before. While he was sitting around the house having a beer he heard SJ say, it probably starts at Gurley money, and he was like, wow, I was going to start at bell money but now I'll move it up. SJ comment changed nothing where Zeke agent came in at. He has the 2 time leading rusher in the past 3 years, yards per game leader the past 3 years, a team built around the run and listening and reading people who say we can't win without him and cheery picking numbers to try to prove it. Cooper has a better argument that we can't win without him than Zeke does. Really not even close. Every one knew, or should've known, where the agent was coming in at.
I guess if we can't blame them for talking out loud, we should ask ourselves why they're the only ones that do that? Any GM or COO starts talking about any player's contract at the zenith at that position, that's not going to affect the agent and the player?

We do not know where Elliott's agent came in at but we do know what the COO came out with and he immediately put Elliott in Gurley territory. Excusing that is nothing more than excusing stupidity. Think you will find that in any book on negotiating?
 

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There it is. They open this can of worms on the radio and then begin to negotiate, the anger of the posters here is aimed at the wrong person.

They should have kept their mouths shut about all contracts, exercised the option and remained silent.
And why Jethro Jone$ continues to be a conflict on interest for Cowboys Football.

He’s too busy promoting their label at every turn and don’t know when to shut up or don’t care because it spins their message regardless of a negative effect in negotiations. What a frikin Football Idiot.
 

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True, Elliott has less time. But my point is that you can just tell the difference in the two players in how they do things. One is a true leader of his team and one isn't.
You are comparing leadership of a QB and RB? One position requires it and the other doesn't, think Emmitt was a leader?
 

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And why Jethro Jone$ continues to be a conflict on interest for Cowboys Football.

He’s too busy promoting their label at every turn and don’t know when to shut up or don’t care because it spins their message regardless of a negative effect in negotiations. What a frikin Football Idiot.
It goes beyond the label, they're both promoting themselves, that's the major problem with Booger and it will get worse with his son.
 

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Not arguing, just keeping things in perspective here..

What you said may be true, but there is a big difference that seemingly gets over looked by most posters. If Dak has another statistical year like the three seasons before and shows reasonable growth in the coming years.. he has a chance to continue playing well into his 30’s as most of today’s QBs have demonstrated.

On the other hand, if Zeke continues to be a workhorse RB that he has been the last three years..statically he will undoubtedly be done by age 30, if not sooner.

All I’m saying is.. is not good practice to compare the two. One has a legitimate reason to be concerned about his future more than the other.
Especially with a team giving him the most carries per game since he came into the league.
 

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For sure, there are a lot of people here that severely overrate his value. Out of all the teams that have had top RB’s in the past two decades, I don’t recall any of them falling off a cliff solely due to that RB leaving. It’s been proven over and over that RB’s are replaceable.

Would we get a RB as good as Zeke next year? Probably not. Could we get one that is much cheaper and serviceable enough to help win games with a good OC and O line? Absolutely. This chump wants to play hardball, if I were Jerry, I would play hardball right back but I doubt that will happen.
Of course JJ will sign him. You know when I knew.. When they interviewed him and he said when have I never got a deal done. That let me know he will get his money and before the season starts. He wants a ring before he is gone.
 

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Dak’s contract situation is much different than Zeke’s. Dak’s value should continue to climb. He has yet to enter his prime. The longer he waits the more he is likely to get, assuming he improves.

Zeke’s value will decline the longer he waits. He is at his peak value now and probably entering his prime this year, possibly next. He has to get max money now or risk not getting it.

The only strategic error made here was in how the CBA sets up that first contract. Owners didn’t want to hand out Sam Bradford deals to rookies, understandably so, but now players like running backs with shorter shelf lives are taking the hit and having to hold out to reset the scale.
 

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You are comparing leadership of a QB and RB? One position requires it and the other doesn't, think Emmitt was a leader?

Nonsense. Being a leader has nothing to do with position. You are either a leader or you arent.
 

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Its pretty much a given for teams to exercise the 5th year, as long as the player has shown any flashes of talent.
Agree but it is not a given that the COO goes on the radio and starts talking new contract and admitting he thinks he's the best RB in the game. Wait, I take that back. On this team, that is a given.

If any owner were to hear his GM go on the radio and do what his did, what do you think he'd do? Come unglued and at least tell him to shut up. This is what you get when his Daddy runs the team. The unaccountable holding the unaccountable unaccountable.
 

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Cooper is probably a guy you could franchise for a few years and he would play.
The Cowboys Break show stated the team can use both franchise and exclusive tag next offseason. I would use both tags on Cooper and Dak then try to sign J-train and Byron to long term contracts.
 

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The Cowboys Break show stated the team can use both franchise and exclusive tag next offseason. I would use both tags on Cooper and Dak then try to sign J-train and Byron to long term contracts.

Not a Dak fan then?
 

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Yes but you go for the big long term contract next year with a bit more leverage
There’s really no reason for JJ to pay him now and many reasons not to...
Zeke is bluffing with a pair of twos.
And what if he catches that injury that's just waiting to happen this year? Some seem to think he's indestructible, he's not. He's tough but tougher guys tear cartilage, ligaments and screw up joints and he's going to pull that hurdle stunt once too often.

And he and his agent have that last season Murray was there for history how they treat RB's toward the end of their contract and how they reward them.
 

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I guess if we can't blame them for talking out loud, we should ask ourselves why they're the only ones that do that? Any GM or COO starts talking about any player's contract at the zenith at that position, that's not going to affect the agent and the player?

We do not know where Elliott's agent came in at but we do know what the COO came out with and he immediately put Elliott in Gurley territory. Excusing that is nothing more than excusing stupidity. Think you will find that in any book on negotiating?
I've *****ed for years that they talk too much. But do I think what he said changed the parameters of Zeke agent? Not at all. Anyone who has payed attention the past 20 years, or however long they have watched football, knew where the negotiations were going to start. SJ said what we all knew, or should've known. So you honestly think that his agent was going to start below Gurley money? Zeke is arguably the best RB in the league and you think his agent would come below the top paid RB?

I think people are trying to use this a "see" moment to show why they need to shut up. There are PLENTY of examples to use, this isn't one of them.
 
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