Strategic Error Made With Elliott?

Jeffkills · Aug 10, 2019

Can we just pay him $10M bonus this year and have it come off the cap immediately?

If so, and he wouldn’t do that, then he’s defiantly being selfish...

CouchCoach · Aug 10, 2019

glimmerman said:
Lol. His agent was gonna start higher than gurly money regardless. SJ was basically saying he already knows it and has money set to the side. Picked up the 5th year option was a duh thing. Of course they would, he is a potentially great RB. The FO wants him to be A Cowboy for a long time. For once since Emmitt they seem to be dedicated to a RB long term. They didn’t act this way with murray. But I do think the FO thought they had at least this year to put together the contract. They assumed he would honor his 4th year.

That's the point. They assumed. I would have gotten out in front of this because of the money talk being thrown around about the QB and WR and the deal already made for the DE. If my RB is that important to the success of my team, I am sure as hell not assuming anything.

glimm, why does the COO have to say anything about a player with two years left on his contract? This was an unusual situation and called for someone more astute and professional to handle it. When all of this money talk happened, Elliott got pulled into the conversation needlessly and his agent armed with more information than he deserved.

You go to a new car dealership to buy a car, you going to tell the salesman "well, I am at least going to pay you what you're asking"? I think you might start lower and if you really want that car might meet his price but let him work for it.

Little Jr · Aug 10, 2019

408Cowboy said:
Nobody said the agent would start lower. What is being said is that the agent now has every reason not to take a cent less. SJ removed damn near any shot they had of getting it done for cheaper. If anyone here isn't giving the agent credit it would be you.

I think what is being misunderstood id sj saying the FO will start at Gurley money. The agent knew they wouldn't walk in at that. He knew they would come in lower. The agent has no reason to take less than Gurley, regardless of what sj said. Again, your not giving him any credit. If SJ says nothing the agent would give in and take less? If he said it started at bell money the agent would or should take less? No matter what this was going to be stand off.

CouchCoach · Aug 10, 2019

Jeffkills said:
Can we just pay him $10M bonus this year and have it come off the cap immediately?

If so, and he wouldn’t do that, then he’s defiantly being selfish...

Interesting idea but a dangerous precedent as all of the agents are aware of where the teams are cap wise. They'd be wolves at the door.

CouchCoach · Aug 10, 2019

Little Jr said:
I think what is being misunderstood id sj saying the FO will start at Gurley money. The agent knew they wouldn't walk in at that. He knew they would come in lower. The agent has no reason to take less than Gurley, regardless of what sj said. Again, your not giving him any credit. If SJ says nothing the agent would give in and take less? If he said it started at bell money the agent would or should take less? No matter what this was going to be stand off.

The FO said it would start at Gurley money, that was plainly understood.

coult44 · Aug 10, 2019

ghst187 said:
As others have mentioned giving Elliott a new deal now is a huge precedent setting problem. LVE could pull it next....and so on.
It will also strike at the heart of our philosophy of building through the draft.
This is my biggest problem with this entire deal, that and Zeke hasn’t even played all of the games he should’ve bc of suspension, then flirted with another this offseason. Now he’s demanding a huge contract? ****!
He needed to shut his mouth, been on good behavior, played out this season and pulled this next year.
I don’t think we can win without him honestly but if Jerry gets mad and trades him I hope it’s to a toilet team in a miserable location.

Cincinnati would be ironic.
Here’s another thought. What if Zeke came in and played and then faked an injury... Sounds dumb, but I think that’s the type of person he is.

coult44 · Aug 10, 2019

ghst187 said:
As others have mentioned giving Elliott a new deal now is a huge precedent setting problem. LVE could pull it next....and so on.
It will also strike at the heart of our philosophy of building through the draft.
This is my biggest problem with this entire deal, that and Zeke hasn’t even played all of the games he should’ve bc of suspension, then flirted with another this offseason. Now he’s demanding a huge contract? ****!
He needed to shut his mouth, been on good behavior, played out this season and pulled this next year.
I don’t think we can win without him honestly but if Jerry gets mad and trades him I hope it’s to a toilet team in a miserable location.

I just don’t see alot of the the guys on this team pulling this. What Zeke is doing kind of defines who he is. His off the field stuff shows us who he Is every time something comes up.

Jeffkills · Aug 10, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Interesting idea but a dangerous precedent as all of the agents are aware of where the teams are cap wise. They'd be wolves at the door.

Way better than an extension though, and it’s a very special circumstance considering our window is essentially this year...

Just need to make sure we could do it for Dak and Coop also, if either decided to act a fool like Zeke..

glimmerman · Aug 10, 2019

CouchCoach said:
That's the point. They assumed. I would have gotten out in front of this because of the money talk being thrown around about the QB and WR and the deal already made for the DE. If my RB is that important to the success of my team, I am sure as hell not assuming anything.

glimm, why does the COO have to say anything about a player with two years left on his contract? This was an unusual situation and called for someone more astute and professional to handle it. When all of this money talk happened, Elliott got pulled into the conversation needlessly and his agent armed with more information than he deserved.

You go to a new car dealership to buy a car, you going to tell the salesman "well, I am at least going to pay you what you're asking"? I think you might start lower and if you really want that car might meet his price but let him work for it.

Why did he say that early. Because it runs on the family. Lol. They like to be on the media and make that splash. The attention equals more money for them.

The reason SJ assumed he would play his 4th year is because a player has never held out on the 4th year of there rookie deal. Players honor it no matter the position.

This situation is going to be a game changer for the whole NFL. If we sign him to a new contract now then don’t be surprised if other players do it to not just us but other star players will do it on other teams. Other owners are hoping JJ don’t cave on this.

If we don’t cave then it let’s players know they can’t do that. But if Elliot holds true then we are without a star RB for this year.

Elliot IMO is a idiot. JJ could hurt him. Let him sit and fine him and he don’t get paid not just this year but next year. He can show up by game 11 and accrue the year. He could want to play next year and we could pay him and tell him to not even show up for the game because he ain’t playing. We both know this won’t happen.

I can tell you now coach that it wouldn’t be good for me to be in JJ’s position. That whole thing with D-Law holding out on getting his surgery till he got a contract. I would pay him and tell that agent I will never work with him again. Any player that has him for a agenti would let them know ahead of time if they want a contract from me then they need a different agent. I would have put that agent out of business for that advise. Same with Elliot’s agent, advising him to hold out on the 4th year of his rookie deal is a deal breaker for me.

Change the contracts for RB in the next CBA. Make it 2 or 3 year deals for them since there careers are shorter. It will open a new can of worms though.

Just divide the cap up and pay every player the same amount and it will solve the problem. Lol.

Hawkeye0202 · Aug 10, 2019

waldoputty said:
if we are a real superbowl contender, we would not go 3-7 in the first 10 games.
we may lose an extra game or so.
if we go 5-5, then we were never a superbowl contender, so nothing matters besides better draft position.

Waldo.........just not feeling you on this (LOL). Your post seems to imply we don't need Zeke to be a contender, Am I misreading or missing some?

408Cowboy · Aug 10, 2019

Little Jr said:
I think what is being misunderstood id sj saying the FO will start at Gurley money. The agent knew they wouldn't walk in at that. He knew they would come in lower. The agent has no reason to take less than Gurley, regardless of what sj said. Again, your not giving him any credit. If SJ says nothing the agent would give in and take less? If he said it started at bell money the agent would or should take less? No matter what this was going to be stand off.

Immediately after SJ makes that comment his phone rings:

"This is Zeke's agent speaking and I just wanted to remind you that you don't speak on my behalf nor do you represent my client in his negotiations. I would also like to add I just saw you on TV and while we appreciate the offer it's not going to be acceptable. Goodbye"

You're not seeing how the agent spins this to benefit them while saying those that do aren't giving him credit because they thought it would be less.

Whyjerry · Aug 10, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
I wasn't a fan of taking Zeke at #4 but knew how good he was. I loved the kid the first year or two. Even believed him with the GF nonsense. But after all this stuff I don't believe him anymore. Hes a bad apple. If the Cowboys could go back, I don't think they take Zeke.

You don’t build around RBs. Classic case of the Jones hubris. Guy thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

ESisback · Aug 10, 2019

Can’t WAIT until watching football is the focus, instead of the ENDLESS speculation of ridiculously skyrocketing compensation for entitled athletes!

aria · Aug 10, 2019

CouchCoach said:
S'ok, you can disagree with me, anybody can, I take none of this personally. Like everyone else I watch and listen and form an opinion.

My point was that the QB position just about demands leadership which is why guys like Cutler moved from team to team. And some individuals have the leadership gene and the position doesn't matter.

The poster's point was Elliott is not a leader and Prescott is. I agree, he isn't and neither was Emmitt or Dorsett but Calvin Hill? Yes, but not because he was a RB.

Kinda figured that’s what ya meant, and I agree in that sense, thanks for not taking it personal like some

aria · Aug 10, 2019

blueblood70 said:
NOT THE WAY THE LEAGUE SEES THE MILES THAT ARE ON THEM, THEY WILL USE HIM 3 MORE YEARS FOR LESS THEN CUT HIM OR LOW BALL HIM..EITHER WAY ITS EXACTLY WHY ZEKES WANTS HIDS MONEY NOW, hes in prime position to get his best deal NOW..

He wont let his Next 3-4 great years be at a lower contratc ie 2019, 202, and possible FT and low ball offer now they can say hes 28-29 with tons of miles, yes he would agree he can easily do this 3-4 more years at the same level and earn every penny of the 15 per..he wont get 15 at 27 or 28 and he knows it we know it and he decided to bank on himself now to get his big money and i dont blame him..

Zekes not slipping he had his best year when you look at Running yards and receiving yards togethe and is playing at high level.

why are you yelling at me?

Hawkeye0202 · Aug 10, 2019

Toruk_Makto said:
Would not even have made him an offer.

The Cowboys did...it should have been a lowball deal if he wanted to get paid early.

Actually, this is similar to the position the Jags took with Ramsey. Word is they told his agent they would not even discuss contract extension or new deal until AFTER his 4th year. Notice Ramsey reported to camp on time....pixxed off, but he's there. Makes you wonder, Jerry and Stephen apparently have no problem with the two-year issue.

DandyDon52 · Aug 10, 2019

CouchCoach said:
AC, I would be a lot hotter at Elliott had those two magpies not shot off their mouths on the radio about extending him and the dumbest one actually said Gurley's was the starting point. How in the hell can we blame the agent or the player when they started this entire mess with their mouths?

LOL they are the circus masters !! That is them having fun being the big bosses, that is what they love.

you make a good point about the extension, I think that gives feed me boy a good reason, but I think feed me has a blind eye about
his off the field issues, and suspensions. He does not see that it affects the willingness to invest in him long term.
I dont think he gets that at all.
I think both sides need to compromise.
Feed me needs to forget about the whole highest paid ever, and the jones boys need to give him more G $ for next 3 years.

buybuydandavis · Aug 10, 2019

gmoney112 said:
I have a hard time comparing him to Dak when Zeke got more 5x more money before he even showed up for camp, than Dak made on his entire rookie contract, which he's playing out. And Dak didn't get suspended and have multiple meetings with Goodell by the time he was going into his 4th year.

Zeke made more money before he showed up for camp, than any RB in the NFL is making this year in salary.

He was going to make $33million on a rookie deal, and got a $16 million check before he showed up. He played 2.5 years, is a risk to get suspended for longer any season, and after 2.5 years wants to be the highest paid RB in the league with 2 years left on his deal.

I wouldn't even worry about his contract this year. If he wants to sit out, sit out. Don't care.

Is Zeke really underpaid relative to *every other player* on their rookie contract?

Seven · Aug 10, 2019

CouchCoach said:
For that year only, he has no future contract or guarantee in place.

Yes. But that will show us what he's made of......... you'd think in the original contract that fullfilling a signed agreement is to be honored to the end of said document. No interruptions. JMO, of course.

waldoputty · Aug 10, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
Waldo.........just not feeling you on this (LOL). Your post seems to imply we don't need Zeke to be a contender, Am I misreading or missing some?

No that is not what I am saying.

I am saying IF we are a superbowl contender, we should still be in a strong position to make the playoffs if Zeke takes off 10 weeks.
If we are 3-7 without Zeke, then we are not good enough to be a superbowl contender when Zeke comes back.
If we are not good enough to be a superbowl contender, then I rather tank the season.
All or nothing.

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