News: Schein:Cowboys 2nd best D

erod · Aug 14, 2019

rocyaice said:
Well I came in to argue against the #2 best defense......but then I looked at the list.......maybe you can argue the Bears are better...hell I'd even agree but its not too many more units I'm taking over the Cowboys. Cowboys are flawed and not perfect by any means but so is everyone else on that list.

Weak up the middle, below average at safety, middle of the pack pass rush.

Now, it is true that defense in general these days pretty much sucks, so maybe we are elite by default.

TheMarathonContinues · Aug 14, 2019

erod said:
Weak up the middle, below average at safety, middle of the pack pass rush.

Now, it is true that defense in general these days pretty much sucks, so maybe we are elite by default.

They all have flaws though thats the thing. Cowboys have youth on their side though and they have premier talent at positions.

bigdnlaca · Aug 14, 2019

Red Dragon said:
The most famous example of this is Larry Brown's 2nd INT in Super Bowl XXX. Cowboys blitzed, O'Donnell panicked and threw the ball to a spot, had miscommunication with receiver, and Brown was the only player in the area.

Although, notably, that blitz wasn't so much well-executed as it was that Dallas got lucky. The defense left Hastings completely open. Had O'Donnell just kept his calm for 1 second longer and scanned downfield properly, it could have been a deep Pittsburgh touchdown pass.

If you even look at the Packer game in the NFC championship, the Cowboys got burnt on two td passes both were zone coverage and they didn't blitz on those plays. The interceptions they forced came from a blitz and I think the Brown pick in the 4th qtr that Favre threw was a bad play call and pass.

We can't expect high Interceptions numbers from the secondary if man coverage is always called and/or only rushing 4 with a line that doesn't get consistent pressure from all 4 guys. If we want to see interceptions, there will need to be aggressive playcalling that will result in taking risks at the LOS and in the secondary which would result in giving up huge plays if the offense calls the right play.

texbumthelife · Aug 14, 2019

erod said:
LOL

No, they're not.

Above average, but not elite.

This is how I feel too. Until this d proves they can take over a game and get more turnovers, I can't put them in that elite category.

I think the D has had the same issues as the offense. Vanilla, predictable playcalling and soft play in crunch time.

erod · Aug 14, 2019

texbumthelife said:
This is how I feel too. Until this d proves they can take over a game and get more turnovers, I can't put them in that elite category.

I think the D has had the same issues as the offense. Vanilla, predictable playcalling and soft play in crunch time.

Nobody overrates their players like Cowboys fans. We've already got Pollard, Jaylon, Vander Esch, and Gallup in the Hall of Fame.

Seeing is believing.

WillieBeamen · Aug 14, 2019

2nd best D maybe in the NFC East

Certainly not in the entire league

Need better play inside from the DTs and the corners need to learn to turn their head and make plays on the ball.

Old-fella Marinelli will be exposed come playoff time as usual

Keithfansince5 · Aug 14, 2019

EGTuna said:
And not just turnovers, but pick-6s from your DBs. In the Jason Garret Era, there have been 7 pick 6s from DBs (thank you profootballreference player game finder). Dallas went 6-1 in those games.

In the 92-95, SB years (less than half the time), they had the same 7.

Turnover in general from Jason Garret Era mid2010-2018: 95 interceptions, 87 fumbles - 182 total in 8 1/2 season
Turnovers from 92-95: 81 interceptions (81),

For comparison, I selected the Browns from 2010-2018, and that sorry team had 6 pick-6s from DBs. The Bears have had 21. Even the despicable, dysfunctional Skins have had 7.

Fumbles recovered not tracked by pfr, so no data But the interceptions are 81 in 4 seasons vs. 95 in 8 1/2. Pick-6s from DBs are the same. The DBs on this team need to make more plays and they can be helped by a better pass rush. Until this defense is more than just a get off the field defense (that often surrenders leads in the 4th quarter as they wear down), it won't be a championship defense.

Sounds more like a coaching philosophy to me. Watching some of the practices now, NO ONE is yelling at Awuzie to turn around and look for the dang ball. NOT ONE. If I were there, I would make him hear me to turn your head dude and look for the ball. Stop just running along with the guy. Look for his eyes to get bigger and immediately turn your head and raise your arms to swat the ball away or pick it off. Why the check are the DB coaches not making these guys practice this? Mind boggling to me.

jsb357 · Aug 14, 2019

Dallas...

Champions of the pre-season...again

rnr_honeybadger · Aug 14, 2019

I will believe it when I see it. Sorry i have no confidence in Rod Marinellis defense.

beware_d-ware · Aug 14, 2019

The run defense isn't bad so much as it's just coached really vanilla. With Carolina, Cam Newton ate us up because we weren't ready to contain the QB run play (that and Sean Lee got caught out of position and missed a bunch of tackles - thank God we drafted Vander Esch because he REALLY showed his age last season). With the Rams, they just ran where our DTs weren't and the LBs weren't ready to handle Sean McVay's pre-snap motion.

Run downhill at the Cowboys and we can stuff those plays all day, but showing us something new and it will really have our heads spinning. We simply never adjust.

Risen Star · Aug 14, 2019

The Achilles heel of this defense is the DT position. They aren't good enough there to be the 2nd best defense in the league.

And you can thank Relic Rod for that.

Of course ultimately the blame is on the fake personnel guys. They should know better but they don't and are too easily influenced by a coordinator 20 years past his prime.

GhostOfPelluer · Aug 14, 2019

To me the questions are pass rush and turnovers. Our run D will be fine. Covington gives us nice depth at the 1T and Collins is going to have a great year if he stays on the field. Another year for LVE and Jaylon will help their reaction time and feel for what offenses are doing to them. We need Lawrence and Quinn to do their thing and another DE to step up and contribute to the pass rush.

I think the back 7 will be elite. I don't know if they will generate turnovers but they will be sound across the board. Woods and Chido are entering their prime and they appear to be turning a corner if camp reports are to be believed. Even with a replacement player at SS we should be nasty in the back end. If we get anything out of Hill up front and Taco keeps improving that's just a cherry on top. We have a realistic chance to be a top 3 unit.

We just need Zeke to not screw it all up.

xwalker · Aug 14, 2019

Mr_C said:
Sounds good to me.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...es-for-2019-nfl-season-chargers-lead-the-pack

It's too early to know how teams are going to look by game 1 of the regular season and definitely too early to know how they'll look by mid-season.

It's difficult to project the difference between last season and this season for just 1 team (Cowboys), especially from the viewpoint of fans/media. Projection all teams defensive capabilities at this point is just a WAG based on last season and adding/subtracting big name players.

JoeKing · Aug 14, 2019

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Bill Parcells 2003 defense was number one in points number 2 in yards. (or vice versa) But if we can reach that level of success again we won't miss Zeke that much at all.

I don't recall Bill's defense winning us any NFC titles or SBs. This D having a high ranking alone won't make us forget about Zeke. We need to win some bling!

EMMITTnROY · Aug 14, 2019

So what’s the deal with Randy Gregory? Is he gonna play or no?

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Aug 14, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
This is so true.

Seeing a pick 6 as a cowboys fan, is like seeing a unicorn.

LLLOOOLLL, is the last one when our most expensive FA EVER picked off Ben and ran it back in Texas.

xwalker · Aug 14, 2019

Risen Star said:
The Achilles heel of this defense is the DT position. They aren't good enough there to be the 2nd best defense in the league.

And you can thank Relic Rod for that.

Of course ultimately the blame is on the fake personnel guys. They should know better but they don't and are too easily influenced by a coordinator 20 years past his prime.

Cowboys Defense in 2018

6th in points allowed.
7th in total yards allowed.
4th in yards/carry allowed.

I guess the 25 teams that allowed more points much have D-Coordinators that are 30 years past their prime.

The Saints Defense was 14th in points allowed and 14th in total yards allowed. Their D-Coordinator must have been maxed out when he was 16...

StarBoyz83 · Aug 14, 2019

They were 6th last year and should get better.

davidariust24 · Aug 14, 2019

Mr_C said:
Sounds good to me.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...es-for-2019-nfl-season-chargers-lead-the-pack

I love defense and we have a good one. If Woods can take his game from training camp and bring it to Sundays look out for the Cowboys. Awuzie in my opinion has the right temperament to be a shutdown corner. He is looking to create havoc. I really feel he will get some INTs this season. If Byron Jones comes back healthy this defense will be very good. LVE and Jaylon could be the best Duo in the league and with Lee the best trio. DLaw and Quinn, Gregory, and Armstrong at DE. Maliek Collins should have a big season this year. I'm really excited about the defense this year especially after the beatdown experienced by the hand of the Rams. These guys should be motivated and ready to rumble.

Risen Star · Aug 14, 2019

xwalker said:
Cowboys Defense in 2018

6th in points allowed.

7th in total yards allowed.

4th in yards/carry allowed.

I guess the 25 teams that allowed more points much have D-Coordinators that are 30 years past their prime.

The Saints Defense was 14th in points allowed and 14th in total yards allowed. Their D-Coordinator must have been maxed out when he was 16...

I'm sure in your brain you thought you were making a good point here, copy and paste boy.

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