Thirty Seasons Under the Joneses

Big_D · Aug 13, 2019

Jimmy didn't need Deion, Jerry did. That's the difference. He had no idea how to draft or build a team so he purchased a free agent to get him over that hump. Like his splash free agent was some kind of accomplishment? And at the same time he won the all important merchandising battle. If you can't beat'em, join'em.

ScipioCowboy · Aug 13, 2019

In the aggregate, his accomplishments are impressive. However, you don’t retain personnel based on past success. Otherwise, Landry would never have been fired.

PA Cowboy Fan · Aug 13, 2019

Big_D said:
Jimmy didn't need Deion, Jerry did. That's the difference. He had no idea how to draft or build a team so he purchased a free agent to get him over that hump. Like his splash free agent was some kind of accomplishment? And at the same time he won the all important merchandising battle. If you can't beat'em, join'em.

and it led to other problems later on. He thought he could do it again with Joey Galloway and Roy Williams.

blueblood70 · Aug 13, 2019

PAPPYDOG said:
With Jimmy's team......

you mean Jerrys team,

Jerry was jimmys boss, the owner... who hired who, who made the deals the trades and paid everyone?

did jimmy answer some sort of wanted ads for the Cowboys HC? no Jerry sought him out they were friends old college buddies and JERRY gave Jimmy the job going against the entire DC Fanbase who were irate over the new ownership the new coaches and all the firings etc..Jerry took that risk all the heat paid all the bills, he bought the team and made it what it was an is..somehow this gets lost..who was whos boss? without Jerry theres no Jimmy and no jimmy =no SBs..and??

Asklesko · Aug 13, 2019

Stupid that you count the SB years. There is 5 times as much failure to the Jones era than success. This era has been absolute Hell.

MichaelValentino · Aug 15, 2019

MichaelValentino said:
The OP (whom I generally like and often agree with, but not here, not this time) selected a 32-year span because there are 32 NFL teams. Hence, by "average," that amounts to one SB win per team over a 32-year span. Since 64 teams must play in those 32 Super Bowls, that amounts to two SB appearances per team, on average, over the course of 32 years. Since there are 32 CCGs in each conference with two teams participating in each among 16 teams per conference, that amounts to four NFC or AFC championship game appearances per team over a 32-year span. The same assumptions and process apply to division titles and playoff appearances.

When one considers the Dallas Cowboys appeared in 8 of the first 30 SBs, winning 5 of them, and have not appeared in any in the past 23 years it should not make any Cowboys fan feel comfortable or appreciative for what JJ has done (save for the sheer genius of hiring Jimmy Johnson as HC) but instead should make us all the more frustrated. I think whatever the OP hoped to accomplish here, for the most part, I think he succeeded in producing just the opposite.

Had the Cowboys, from 1995 to the present, continued the team legacy "average" of one SB appearance every 0.267 years and one SB victory every 0.167 years from SBI to SBXXX, Valley Ranch's trophy case would now house not 5 but 9 Lombardi's, and the Cowboys would not be 5-3 in SBs but 9-5, or three ahead of the dreaded Steelers and now, the Patriots.

Admittedly, that is asking a lot from any franchise (other than the Yankees), to maintain such excellence over not a decade but five, but for the first 30 years of the SB era, Cowboys fans were spoiled. Dallas fielded championship caliber teams in the mid to late 60s, throughout the 70s, in the early 80s and for a brief stretch in the 90s. It has been nearly a quarter-century long dry spell since 1995.

No, the Cowboys have not been the Lions or Browns, but they have been a huge disappointment, and far less successful than the Steelers who've won two SBs since the Cowboys last reached a conference championship game.

^correcting my own error....... that should read 0.267 SB appearances per year and 0.167 SB wins per year. 0.167 SB wins per year corresponds to 5 Lombardi's over 30 years, or one trophy every 6 years.

TheRomoSexual · Aug 15, 2019

erod said:
You and I live by different standards.

Now go mow my lawn.

Let me tell you, I’ve found that people who demand unquestioned excellence from their “favorite” team to be “satisfied” tend to be real winners in life.

erod · Aug 15, 2019

TWOK11 said:
That may be, but the standard set forth in this thread was the Lions and Browns since 1995. You set the bar, not I.

The concept of hyperbole escapes you.

OK, I'll address you like one of my kids from now on.

erod · Aug 15, 2019

TheRomoSexual said:
Let me tell you, I’ve found that people who demand unquestioned excellence from their “favorite” team to be “satisfied” tend to be real winners in life.

I've just never been one to be easily impressed. Success in a league that has no outside competition should happen periodically just by the simple law of averages. The Commanders won the division a few years ago with RG3 for gawd's sake. Stuff happens.

Things are better today, but the way Jerry ran this jalopy of a franchise into the ground for two decades was beyond embarrassing. They won a Super Bowl in '95 by a miracle (remember 4th-and-1 in Philly and Troy ranting all year about the lack of structure?), and that was the kind of wildcatting that makes Jerry salivate.

That followed with Gailey, Shante, Kavika, Campo, Larrimore, Pepi, Quincy, Hutch, Hambrick.....those years absolutely were reminiscent of the Browns. Thank God for that stadium, which is the only reason Jerry put his ego aside to go get Parcells and fix this.

What Parcells did here was singly the greatest bit of coaching I've ever seen in my life.

Then, Jerry went rogue again. Felix Jones in the first round for crying out loud. Scrap-heap offensive linemen as an actual policy. It was once again, embarrassing.

The only reason this thing is so much better now is that Jerry is about to turn 77 years old and he doesn't have the time to keep guessing and rebuilding.

NoLuv4Jerry · Aug 15, 2019

plasticman said:
In a 32 year span the average NFL team will:

Win 8 division titles

Go to the playoffs 12 of those seasons

Play in 4 conference championship games

Win 2 conference championships

Play in 2 Super Bowls

Win 1 Super Bowl

________________________

Since Jerry Jones has purchased the team the Cowboys have:

Won their division 11 times.

Gone to the playoffs 15 times

Played in four conference championships

Won three NFC championships

Played in three Super Bowls

Won 3 championships.

________________________________

They still have two more seasons to complete the 32 years averages.

I am not a big Jerry Jones fan. However, in all fairness, it cannot he said that his tenure as owner was unsuccessful. On the contrary, the Cowboys have been one of the more successful franchises during that period.

With that said, fans typically have the attitude expressed by a Janet Jackson song.....

“What have you done for me lately?”

These next two seasons close a window, not for the Cowboys, but, I suspect, for Jerry himself. This is why I believe these next two seasons are very special to him. I don’t know how this specifically translates to contracts and acquiring more talent but don’t rule out some very imaginative opportunities.

Chart it since jimmy Johnson influence left the building. Downright embarrassing!

CouchCoach · Aug 15, 2019

When I look back on this phase of the Cowboys, I think of what would have happened if one of the other bidders had bought the Cowboys?

What if Booger hadn't hired Johnson and turned the football side over to someone he trusted?

What if Johnson doesn't pull off one of the most lopsided trades in history and jump starts the turnaround?

What if Johnson doesn't hire Norv Turner, his 3rd choice, as OC?

Johnson was already in Dallas with the clock ticking, if he doesn't get it turned, does he bail and head back to college like Petrino, Spurrier and Saban?

What if he gets James Francis with that Emmitt pick?

What if he decides to trade Aikman and keep Walsh because Aikman really struggled before Turner?

The questions above intrigue me but none more than that second one. Want to blame someone for Booger? Blame Jimmy for turning the team into the black so quickly because if he doesn't, chances are Booger sells the team to one of those bidders that lost out. He was not well heeled enough to stand the red ink, which is why Bright had to sell.

So, if Booger doesn't buy the team and doesn't hire Jimmy who in turn doesn't hire Turner, trades Aikman and doesn't have Emmitt, how many years are we discussing of ineptitude?

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times and we have to take the bitter with the sweet. If I were to tell you the Cowboys will win 3 of the 4 next SB's but will have a drought for the following 24 years, you OK with that? You would most likely say Oh hell yeah! Until you started enduring those 24 years.

birdwells1 · Aug 15, 2019

plasticman said:
I am not a big Jerry Jones fan. However, in all fairness, it cannot he said that his tenure as owner was unsuccessful. On the contrary, the Cowboys have been one of the more successful franchises during that period.

With that said, fans typically have the attitude expressed by a Janet Jackson song.....

“What have you done for me lately?”

These next two seasons close a window, not for the Cowboys, but, I suspect, for Jerry himself. This is why I believe these next two seasons are very special to him. I don’t know how this specifically translates to contracts and acquiring more talent but don’t rule out some very imaginative opportunities.

I was a straight A student from K-3rd, from 4th-12th I maintained a C average. overall I'd say that I was a successful student. Yes it is what have you done for me lately as it should be when what you've done was almost 25 years ago.

CouchCoach · Aug 15, 2019

TheRomoSexual said:
Let me tell you, I’ve found that people who demand unquestioned excellence from their “favorite” team to be “satisfied” tend to be real winners in life.

LMAO, how does any fan demand unquestioned excellence from their team? Sounds eerily like a bandwagon fan to me.

And speaking for all the losers in life here that do not demand that, thank you.

birdwells1 · Aug 15, 2019

jsb357 said:
Forbes ranking is the bar these days.

Important but hollow if you’re a football fan

Can you believe that some fans actually take pride in this?

CouchCoach · Aug 15, 2019

jsb357 said:
Forbes ranking is the bar these days.

Important but hollow if you’re a football fan

You can bet that's what's important at those owners' meetings, who cares who in the hell won the SB if they can't parlay that into more money?

Jake · Aug 15, 2019

plasticman said:
In a 32 year span the average NFL team will:

Win 8 division titles

Go to the playoffs 12 of those seasons

Play in 4 conference championship games

Win 2 conference championships

Play in 2 Super Bowls

Win 1 Super Bowl

________________________

Since Jerry Jones has purchased the team the Cowboys have:

Won their division 11 times.

Gone to the playoffs 15 times

Played in four conference championships

Won three NFC championships

Played in three Super Bowls

Won 3 championships.

________________________________

They still have two more seasons to complete the 32 years averages.

I am not a big Jerry Jones fan. However, in all fairness, it cannot he said that his tenure as owner was unsuccessful. On the contrary, the Cowboys have been one of the more successful franchises during that period.

With that said, fans typically have the attitude expressed by a Janet Jackson song.....

“What have you done for me lately?”

These next two seasons close a window, not for the Cowboys, but, I suspect, for Jerry himself. This is why I believe these next two seasons are very special to him. I don’t know how this specifically translates to contracts and acquiring more talent but don’t rule out some very imaginative opportunities.

Since 1996, I've won as many conference championships and Super Bowls as Jerry Jones.

No other GM would still have his job after 23 years of that sort of nothing, so pardon me if I'm not celebrating right now.

dckid · Aug 16, 2019

Hennessy_King said:

Thanks bro

Fredbeard · Aug 16, 2019

plasticman said:
In a 32 year span the average NFL team will:

Win 8 division titles

Go to the playoffs 12 of those seasons

Play in 4 conference championship games

Win 2 conference championships

Play in 2 Super Bowls

Win 1 Super Bowl

________________________

Since Jerry Jones has purchased the team the Cowboys have:

Won their division 11 times.

Gone to the playoffs 15 times

Played in four conference championships

Won three NFC championships

Played in three Super Bowls

Won 3 championships.

________________________________

They still have two more seasons to complete the 32 years averages.

I am not a big Jerry Jones fan. However, in all fairness, it cannot he said that his tenure as owner was unsuccessful. On the contrary, the Cowboys have been one of the more successful franchises during that period.

With that said, fans typically have the attitude expressed by a Janet Jackson song.....

“What have you done for me lately?”

These next two seasons close a window, not for the Cowboys, but, I suspect, for Jerry himself. This is why I believe these next two seasons are very special to him. I don’t know how this specifically translates to contracts and acquiring more talent but don’t rule out some very imaginative opportunities.

Jerry,is that you?

OmerV · Aug 16, 2019

Jake said:
Since 1996, I've won as many conference championships and Super Bowls as Jerry Jones.

No other GM would still have his job after 23 years of that sort of nothing, so pardon me if I'm not celebrating right now.

Yeah, but you’ve never won the division, sold jerseys with your logo or become the official poster of Wing Stop. You suck buddy.

Fredbeard · Aug 16, 2019

TWOK11 said:
Since the Cowboys’ last SB, they’ve won 8 division titles, 4 playoff games, been to the playoffs 10 times and won 57% of their games.

In that same time, the Lions and Browns have combined for 0 division titles, 0 playoff wins, 5 playoff appearances and won 36% of their games.

You can let yourself out

Oh , how many of those playoff births and division titles came under parcelles? How many division titles came when the nfc east was the weakest division in football?

Number of super bowl appearances since ‘95

0
Number of nfc championship appearances since ‘95
0
Sorry if I’ve become somewhat cynical over the years
You jerry apologists should seek a career in politics

Thirty Seasons Under the Joneses

Big_D

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