The Speed at wide receiver is the best I've ever seen at camp

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He completely blew out his knee, otherwise he was a number 1 WR, with 3 1000 yard seasons in 4 years. We needed a number 1 WR. The dumbest move by far was passing on Randy Moss.

Please note I stated "one of the dumbest". lol. Yes, passing on Moss was beyond dumb. I still am not giving up 2 1st Round picks for Joey. Not when my QB is on the Backburner of his career.
 

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Find someone else to have your lame argument with.

And go on looking foolish trying to defend Scott Linehan’s stupidity and waste of resources.

Maybe you can follow him to his next team?

Oh wait.
I'm so shocked you would take this tactic. You're the one who keeps bringing up Linehan like you have a man-crush on the guy, I've not defended the dude since 2016. Explain Austin's lack of production under McVey - oh wait, it doesn't fit your argument.
 

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I'm so shocked you would take this tactic. You're the one who keeps bringing up Linehan like you have a man-crush on the guy, I've not defended the dude since 2016. Explain Austin's lack of production under McVey - oh wait, it doesn't fit your argument.

I'll gladly address it. He was clearly a poor scheme fit for what McVay wanted to do. That's exactly why he was then traded to the Cowboys. This is common knowledge.

Now I'll ask you for an answer:

When did 13.9 yards per touch become a bad thing? Because that's what Austin was giving the Cowboys last year. First in yards per reception, second in yards per rush (behind Amari Cooper's 1 carry for 11 yards).

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AustTa00.htm
 

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And that's why I joked asking if you were Linehan. Because that's whose fault it was that Austin wasn't used much. Linehan.

This is just a theory but I've always felt that Linehan was given a general strategy each week from JG and he was told to execute it which would explain why we play right into the strengths of opposing defenses on most Sundays.
 

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This is just a theory but I've always felt that Linehan was given a general strategy each week from JG and he was told to execute it which would explain why we play right into the strengths of opposing defenses on most Sundays.

I'm not a Garrett fan, but I don't believe that to be the case. I think Linehan's stubbornness and lack of creativity was his own issue and not something forced on him by Garrett. Everything I've seen and heard of Linehan shows me an arrogant jerk who thought he was the smartest guy in the room, And any time things failed, he never accepted responsibility or accountability for it. The jerk even went so far as to avoid speaking to the press when things failed. It tells me all I need to know about his lack of character.

And the fact that he is now exiled from the NFL only confirms the fact that everyone knows it was his fault and nobody wants anything to do with him. Nobody did less with more than Scott Linehan during his Dallas tenure.
 

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I'm not a Garrett fan, but I don't believe that to be the case. I think Linehan's stubbornness and lack of creativity was his own issue and not something forced on him by Garrett. Everything I've seen and heard of Linehan shows me an arrogant jerk who thought he was the smartest guy in the room, And any time things failed, he never accepted responsibility or accountability for it. The jerk even went so far as to avoid speaking to the press when things failed. It tells me all I need to know about his lack of character.

And the fact that he is now exiled from the NFL only confirms the fact that everyone knows it was his fault and nobody wants anything to do with him. Nobody did less with more than Scott Linehan during his Dallas tenure.

Ya I'm no Linehan apologist. I just couldn't imagine that an OC in this league could be so inept without outside interference from JG as an example. I could be 1000% off. I wish we had more visibility to the working dynamics between Garrett and his coordinators and even the Joneses.
 

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I'll gladly address it. He was clearly a poor scheme fit for what McVay wanted to do. That's exactly why he was then traded to the Cowboys. This is common knowledge.

Now I'll ask you for an answer:

When did 13.9 yards per touch become a bad thing? Because that's what Austin was giving the Cowboys last year. First in yards per reception, second in yards per rush (behind Amari Cooper's 1 carry for 11 yards).

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AustTa00.htm
So apparently Linehan and McVay don't know what they're doing and you do (ha!). Or he's just not that good. Which brings me back to the sample size argument. 14 total touches. He had one catch for 64 yards that skewed an otherwise blah stat line: 8 catches for 140 yards. Outside 1 (1!) play, he averaged 10 yards per catch. Which is below average for a wideout. Heck, Rod Smith has had bigger plays in the passing game. Or maybe you are hanging your hat on 6 carries for 55 yards. Again, you could find a 6 carry stretch from Rod Smith with similar production. But you aren't claiming Rod Smith was some under-utilized weapon.
 

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Speed means nothing if you can't actually translate it. Can they run routes? Get separation? This isn't a track meet. Patriots don't have much speed at the WR position. Raiders went all in on just drafting speed. Many great WRs were never that fast. Irvin and Jerry Rice come to mind.
 

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Austin is a virtual lock. If he had an inflated contract I might think otherwise but he’s a lot more versatile than a Wilson or Brown not to mention he has game breaking speed. Austin is a solid 4th WR and PR guy for us and can line up in the slot, out wide or in the backfield.

I like Austin, but there are guys like Pollard who will definitely be in this team who can do a lot of what Austin does on offense. I think his return abilities probably keep him on this team, but he’s not a lock.
 

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So apparently Linehan and McVay don't know what they're doing and you do (ha!).

Sure, try to go the insulting route. Typical of a failing argument.

I'll ask you again, where's your genius Linehan working now? You want to bring him up as some example of quality while you try in vain to insult me, you can defend him, and the fact that he's exiled from the league.

Or he's just not that good. Which brings me back to the sample size argument. 14 total touches.

Again, it's hard to make an impact when you're not used, isn't it? It's not like he was dropping passes, or failing when he was called upon was it? Last I checked, players don't get to call their own number.

He had one catch for 64 yards that skewed an otherwise blah stat line: 8 catches for 140 yards. Outside 1 (1!) play, he averaged 10 yards per catch. Which is below average for a wideout.

Like I said earlier, it's clearly enough for you to condemn him. Your hypocrisy shines through, when you want to disregard one of 8 catches simply because it's a great one.

Heck, Rod Smith has had bigger plays in the passing game. Or maybe you are hanging your hat on 6 carries for 55 yards. Again, you could find a 6 carry stretch from Rod Smith with similar production. But you aren't claiming Rod Smith was some under-utilized weapon.

If you can find me another Cowboy who averaged 9 yards a carry, we can talk about him too?
 

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Sure, try to go the insulting route. Typical of a failing argument.

I'll ask you again, where's your genius Linehan working now? You want to bring him up as some example of quality while you try in vain to insult me, you can defend him, and the fact that he's exiled from the league.



Again, it's hard to make an impact when you're not used, isn't it? It's not like he was dropping passes, or failing when he was called upon was it? Last I checked, players don't get to call their own number.



Like I said earlier, it's clearly enough for you to condemn him. Your hypocrisy shines through, when you want to disregard one of 8 catches simply because it's a great one.



If you can find me another Cowboy who averaged 9 yards a carry, we can talk about him too?
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There isn't a known answer. But when it comes to roster cuts, sometimes sacrifices are made in favor of potential upside. Always tough decisions.

Wilson can return punts, and Cobb has punt return experience (dunno if they want to expose him much there) with Pollard not having experience there and not taking any punt return reps in camp, it's likely to be Wilson/Cobb ..if there is no Tavon Austin or Reggie Davis.

but i'm believing the Cowboys want that speedy, open field , dangerous returner who can break field position open in a blink and take it to the house, a TD maker.
they really want to give special teams coach Keith O' Quinn that big help on this unit and that kind of breakaway player.
That tells me either Austin or Davis. And Jonvea Johnson, Guyton or Devin Smith are not returners.

Noah is not a returner either, and he doesn't offer big chunk run skills or legit over the top deep dimension either, but maybe they seem to like his other areas of special teams contribution
and dirty work blocking, plus they may still like the combination of his hands, quick feet and physical size and strength, even though he is still so underdeveloped and raw as a pure WR..
I still see the final WR unit look like this:
1 cooper
2 gallup
3 cobb
4 Wilson
5 Austin
6 Brown

as much as I've heard earlier how the team wants more pure speed, more over the top and open field chunk yard capability, we are not really going to have new additions, new look of speed
as I thought we would, anymore than what we were at last years WR unit other than Cobb.
 

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I still see the final WR unit look like this:
1 cooper
2 gallup
3 cobb
4 Wilson
5 Austin
6 Brown
That is what I would bet on at this minute as well. Personally, I'm not sold that you keep a guy like Brown over someone that can offer more dynamic plays as an actual receiver & if they can help on returns all the better. (I may be undervaluing Brown, but I can only go on what i have seen)
 
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