Just a What If. 2016

DallasEast · Aug 16, 2019

Sevenup3000 said:
Why didn't Romo do in 2015 what you are saying he *could* have done in 2016?

The Dallas Cowboys didn't need Romo to save the day in 2016...they needed him to save the day in 2015. Dak had already saved the season in 2016. Dallas - as soon as Romo was inserted back into the lineup after being cleared - had an opportunity to make the playoffs, get a home game even, and then beat the Broncos in the SB. This is what Tony Romo is for right? I mean, Tony Romo couldn't possibly fail in such circumstances right?

So we have Tony Romo, slightly younger, experienced, all-world QB (with the leagues best OL and a dominant running game [yes Dallas running games averaged 4.6 yards per carry in 2015 vs 4.8 yards per carry in 2016], a younger Dez and Witten, etc.) that would slice up any defense the NFL dares to put in front of him - why didn't he QB Dallas to a Superbowl victory in 2015?

Why the focus on 2016? In 2015, he had the same opportunity *could of* had in 2016? Except in 2015, Tony Romo was REALLY needed. And of course, this says nothing about 2014, 13, 12, 11, 10, 09, 08, etc.

So why the focus on 2016 over 2015 or 2014?

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Super_Kazuya · Aug 16, 2019

Sevenup3000 said:
Why didn't Romo do in 2015 what you are saying he *could* have done in 2016?

The Dallas Cowboys didn't need Romo to save the day in 2016...they needed him to save the day in 2015. Dak had already saved the season in 2016. Dallas - as soon as Romo was inserted back into the lineup after being cleared - had an opportunity to make the playoffs, get a home game even, and then beat the Broncos in the SB. This is what Tony Romo is for right? I mean, Tony Romo couldn't possibly fail in such circumstances right?

So we have Tony Romo, slightly younger, experienced, all-world QB (with the leagues best OL and a dominant running game [yes Dallas running games averaged 4.6 yards per carry in 2015 vs 4.8 yards per carry in 2016], a younger Dez and Witten, etc.) that would slice up any defense the NFL dares to put in front of him - why didn't he QB Dallas to a Superbowl victory in 2015?

Why the focus on 2016? In 2015, he had the same opportunity *could of* had in 2016? Except in 2015, Tony Romo was REALLY needed. And of course, this says nothing about 2014, 13, 12, 11, 10, 09, 08, etc.

So why the focus on 2016 over 2015 or 2014?

Are you really this brainless of a troll or are you really this ignorant? Because I’m having a hard time telling the difference.
The Cowboys were 2-7 when Romo made it back to the lineup. Go back to bed.

408Cowboy · Aug 16, 2019

Super_Kazuya said:
You know that I was pointing out that he made zero acknowledgment that he was wrong when given two examples of the Cowboys beating GB (one at home and one on the road)?

He specified beating them at GB. When given the information of 07 and 08 he pointed out 07 wouldn't apply to his original statement. He also said he didn't recall. Didn't say it never happened.

408Cowboy · Aug 16, 2019

DallasEast said:
Well, no. It is the same singular group if an associate's criteria is Romo should not have been re-inserted as starter for [fill in the blank reason] and not simply because he/she wanted another quarterback to take his place. There may be various self-validations made on the surface but the underlying reasoning is one and the same for the larger group.

No. You specified that group didn't respect Romo. That just isn't the case for everybody that was ready to move on. I appreciate what Romo did for the franchise. He had games that we're flat out brilliant throughout his career. He also had duds from time to time. I firmly believe that we witnessed his best and that he had his opportunities that weren't taken for whatever reason. He showed he couldn't get over the hump and that was enough for me. There is absolutely nothing about not respecting him in my opinion as you stated.

Tenkamenin · Aug 16, 2019

Our defense in the postseason has been the real issue.

In the first half, Aaron Rodgers moved the ball at will and had no problem scoring on us. And when we had a chance to stop them on third and long, Aaron always found away to get a first down.

In the second half, the Packers got conservative giving us an opportunity to get back in the game. However, when the game got close, Aaron turned it on to close the game out.

TexasBoys2288 · Aug 16, 2019

I liked Romo, but that was yesterday.

Super_Kazuya · Aug 16, 2019

408Cowboy said:
No. You specified that group didn't respect Romo. That just isn't the case for everybody that was ready to move on. I appreciate what Romo did for the franchise. He had games that we're flat out brilliant throughout his career. He also had duds from time to time. I firmly believe that we witnessed his best and that he had his opportunities that weren't taken for whatever reason. He showed he couldn't get over the hump and that was enough for me. There is absolutely nothing about not respecting him in my opinion as you stated.

I have no idea what this means, Romo couldn’t get over the hump? What exactly did you see that made you think he couldn’t but that substituting a vastly inferior, vastly less experienced QB would make things go better? I mean everyone said that a rookie QB couldn’t win the Super Bowl and the Cowboys said “nuh uh” and then not only did they not get to the Super Bowl they couldn’t even win the first game as the number one seed. So Romo was completely removed from the equation and we got the same results and yet your conclusion is “Romo” couldn’t get over the hump. :huh:

408Cowboy · Aug 16, 2019

Super_Kazuya said:
I have no idea what this means, Romo couldn’t get over the hump? What exactly did you see that made you think he couldn’t but that substituting a vastly inferior, vastly less experienced QB would make things go better? I mean everyone said that a rookie QB couldn’t win the Super Bowl and the Cowboys said “nuh uh” and then not only did they not get to the Super Bowl they couldn’t even win the first game as the number one seed. So Romo was completely removed from the equation and we got the same results and yet your conclusion is “Romo” couldn’t get over the hump.

I'm talking about Romo's career as a whole and being ready to move on from him. It's not just about that year. The person I responded to made a blanket statement that the group willing to move on did it out of disrespecting Romo. I said that wasn't the case for me. He then made a post trying to cover a group under an umbrella that boiled down to the same thing.

sbark · Aug 16, 2019

starfan1 said:
or a Demarcus Cousins

But....what possibility does one think tony would've chosen

ColoradoCowboy · Aug 16, 2019

I said at the time that we should have traded Dak to the Browns. Can you imagine what they would have given for him? smh

Having said that, Dak is a good QB. Today, we could do a lot worse.

CT Dal Fan · Aug 16, 2019

I honestly don't understand why there is such a deep divide among Cowboys fans when it comes to Tony Romo and Dak Prescott. I was/am a fan of both quarterbacks.

And they have more in common than either "side" wants to admit- disrespect of their skills to the point they are actually underrated.

The only big difference is I actually think fans of other teams respect Dak more than many Cowboys fans. People all around the NFL labeled Romo a "choker" when the stats proved he was anything but.

Well, I'm done here. You guys have at it.

Irvin88_4life · Aug 16, 2019

starfan1 said:
Im not trying to argue that daks is innefective but some of his passes are off target just like all QBs although he seems to get criticized more for it. And he and gallup can get better but some of thats on gallup

I agree. Always room for improvement with every player.

Super_Kazuya · Aug 16, 2019

408Cowboy said:
I'm talking about Romo's career as a whole and being ready to move on from him. It's not just about that year. The person I responded to made a blanket statement that the group willing to move on did it out of disrespecting Romo. I said that wasn't the case for me. He then made a post trying to cover a group under an umbrella that boiled down to the same thing.

I mean the question still applies to his whole career as well. Romo was an excellent playoff performer overall and the whole “big game failures” was a myth based on mostly regular season games that meant very little in the grand scheme of things. There isn’t really any logic in saying that a QB who finished 4th in NFL history in passer rating couldn’t get “over the hump” in the right situation, but say, Trent Dilfer can just because. That pretty much does put you in the group of those disrespecting Romo and just wanting to be done with it all and throw out the baby with the bath water.

DFWJC · Aug 16, 2019

CT Dal Fan said:
I honestly don't understand why there is such a deep divide among Cowboys fans when it comes to Tony Romo and Dak Prescott. I was/am a fan of both quarterbacks.

And they have more in common than either "side" wants to admit- disrespect of their skills to the point they are actually underrated.

The only big difference is I actually think fans of other teams respect Dak more than many Cowboys fans. People all around the NFL labeled Romo a "choker" when the stats proved he was anything but.

Well, I'm done here. You guys have at it.

Yeah, I’m with you.
Both good players and good men.
We’re lucky to have (and have had) them.

starfan1 · Aug 16, 2019

sbark said:
But....what possibility does one think tony would've chosen

My point is that I don’t believe tony would save the day like Willis reed at that point it was more likely he’d a been like Demarcus cousins and get injured again

Sevenup3000 · Aug 16, 2019

Super_Kazuya said:
Are you really this brainless of a troll or are you really this ignorant? Because I’m having a hard time telling the difference.
The Cowboys were 2-7 when Romo made it back to the lineup. Go back to bed.

The Cowboys entered the game at 3-7 and very much alive to take the NFC East.

Now, why didn't "all-world" Tony Romo do his magic and win the terrible NFC East en route to a SB victory?

Super_Kazuya · Aug 16, 2019

Sevenup3000 said:
The Cowboys entered the game at 3-7 and very much alive to take the NFC East.

Now, why didn't "all-world" Tony Romo do his magic and win the terrible NFC East en route to a SB victory?

I’ll say it again and maybe you’ll listen this time. The Cowboys were 2-7 when Romo returned from injury.
I’ll also say, no team in NFL history has ever made the playoffs from that start.
I’ll also say that not only has no team ever started 2-7 and won the 9 games needed to win the NFC East that year, only two 2-7 teams have ever even made it to 8-8.
And finally I will also say: it’s time for you to go crawl back under your rock...

DFWJC · Aug 16, 2019

Sevenup3000 said:
The Cowboys entered the game at 3-7 and very much alive to take the NFC East.

Now, why didn't "all-world" Tony Romo do his magic and win the terrible NFC East en route to a SB victory?

I know this wasnt for me, but just so me background....

They rushed Romo back that year. After 2014, they saw the season slipping away in 2015

He broke the collarbone after they started 2-0 with him
They then lost 7 straight without him...so 2-7
They rushed him back and won on a Sunday night game down in Miami...3-7 (3-0 with Romo, 0-7 without) he took some huge hits in that game and already should not have been playing
Then on just a couple days rest, he got mauled and reinjured by an awesome Panthers team in Dallas on Thursday midday.

Season over

I was never one strongly arguing we pull Dak, but 2016 was very different than 2015. Romo was fully healed and looked amazing once he returned (back to 2014 form or better according to everyone watching practice). But Dak was also playing his butt off.
Old news now

CowboyRoy · Aug 16, 2019

DallasEast said:
Fair enough. There is another general rule:

No rookie quarterback has ever appeared or helped win either a pre- or post-Super Bowl era championship.

Essentially, the goal of the 2016 season was to gain experience only. I have one friend in real life and one member of the board here who either agree or partial agree in perspective. I do not agree but fully respect them for it.

If Garrett doesn't blow the clock management and play calling down the stretch of the GB playoff game, the Cowboys are in the NFC championship against the Falcons with the rookie Dak at QB.

Super_Kazuya · Aug 16, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
If Garrett doesn't blow the clock management and play calling down the stretch of the GB playoff game, the Cowboys are in the NFC championship against the Falcons with the rookie Dak at QB.

You mean if Dak could have mustered more than 50 yards passing while the Cowboys fell behind 21-3 (despite having the ball first), if Dak didn’t throw a bone headed red zone interception right to Hyde, and if Dak wasn’t so green that his head coach had to manage his two minute drill... then yes, The Cowboys would have been right in the NFC championship game. So close!

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