Super Early 2019 Draft Revisit

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I know this is the long way of saying... This is why I wanted a 'cheaper' solution and would have loved to have drafted a promising young safety like Thornhill.
Many fans would have drafted Thornhill. That's just not the way the Cowboys are ran. Not yet anyway. Perhaps someday they will value that position more and invest some higher draft capital there. For now they feel the game is won in the trenches and invest there. Then take a chance on a late round pick like Wilson.
 

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I wanted a S, and didn't have any certain player in mind, as long as they took a S. But what I wanted was a S and a DT. And it did not matter which one they took 1st.
So I was ok with the Hill pick, wasn't thrilled, but was alright with it. So I will support that and him, as I would if they went S before DT.

But then I was even ok with McGovern, but after that when they kept ignoring S, I figured another wasted day 3 when they kept drafting DE's.

Well, maybe next year they will get hit in the head with a hammer and draft a S.
 

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I wanted a S, and didn't have any certain player in mind, as long as they took a S. But what I wanted was a S and a DT. And it did not matter which one they took 1st.
So I was ok with the Hill pick, wasn't thrilled, but was alright with it. So I will support that and him, as I would if they went S before DT.

But then I was even ok with McGovern, but after that when they kept ignoring S, I figured another wasted day 3 when they kept drafting DE's.

Well, maybe next year they will get hit in the head with a hammer and draft a S.

They drafted a safety. Just not one of the Zone's pet cats.

 

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Before the draft this year, I read a many different opinions as to what position and/or who we should draft with our 1st pick. From a TE to DL, folks had their favorites. Add the fact our first pick was late in the 2nd rd, Dallas seemingly could have gone any direction. The talk seemed to lean more towards adding to our defense, exp after the drumming we received by the Rams.Safety seemed to be the majority vote, although many before last year were screaming for a top DT talent. As we all know, we did indeed draft a DT in Trysten Hill. I don't hate the pick, as he seems to have potential.. but its widely known that DT tend to take time to mature into star players, not to mention he will most certainly be regulated to rotational duties.

That said, I recently read an article by Gil Brandt as he opined who could be this years top Rookie risers. Tony Pollard (came in 4th place)headlined the article which caught my attention. Of course, I couldn't help also notice that KC S Juan Thornhill was ranked 3rd on this list (I encourage to read the article). Thornhill was the player I coveted before the draft. Dallas had the pick of the litter at the Safety position when they were on the clock.Yet as it turns out, they passed on all of them.

Now ,I don't by any means hate Jeff Heath like many on this forum. I believe he's a solid player and his value exceeds his contract status. In today's NFL and Cap manage, that goes long way in evaluation and roster building. Besides, our Boys demonstrated a very solid defense most of last year.. and yes, Heath was a starter. On the other hand, could we upgrade? Absolutely, hence all the Earl Thomas speculation. There again, salaries come into play. Even Earl Thomas supporters were teetering when they found out how much he was asking for.

I know this is the long way of saying... This is why I wanted a 'cheaper' solution and would have loved to have drafted a promising young safety like Thornhill.

That said, Dallas seemily has a "backlog" of talent along the DL. Of course, there was no way of knowing this at the time. Yet, it seems inevitable that Dallas will have to release a talented DL when roster cuts come around. If Dallas had a crystal ball, I'd like to think Dallas may have taken a Safety. My thought was.. if Xavier Woods becomes what he's shown during camp, Thornhill & Woods could have been dynamic duo at safety. This would have gone a long way to resolve our biggest problem on defense.. Turnovers. Heath could rotate in to cover TEs or obvious run plays.

I digress by saying.. I will be keeping a close eye on Thornhill and Trysten Hill careers. I realize drafting players isn't perfect science, but I'll be interested nonetheless.

Who was your pet cat in the draft? And how are they looking so far?

Many of us were on the Thornhill wagon
 

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Ehhhh...it probably would’ve been a easier pick to make if you had a 1st. To me priority was defensive line over a strong safety.

That’s fine but you don’t reach for a lower rated guy with red flags over the safety who probably should have been taken earlier. You take the guy who fell in your lap at a position of need over the guy you have to justify with twisted logic.
 

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That’s fine but you don’t reach for a lower rated guy with red flags over the safety who probably should have been taken earlier. You take the guy who fell in your lap at a position of need over the guy you have to justify with twisted logic.
Yeah but do they go by their board or the fans board? Who’s to say they didn’t have Hill rated higher?
 

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Yeah but do they go by their board or the fans board? Who’s to say they didn’t have Hill rated higher?

If they had him rated higher then they likely were the only ones anywhere and it was likely the result of pushing him up the board because they fixated on him for some reason. Hill is not a better football player than Thornhill. That’s not my opinion. It’s basically what everyone everywhere said.
 

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Ehhhh...it probably would’ve been a easier pick to make if you had a 1st. To me priority was defensive line over a strong safety.

I respect your sentiments and honesty don’t disagree.

I did not post this to rehash what Dallas should of done during the draft. That’s done and is what it is at this point. Really it was to highlight what we presently know of our defense and what could have been. I find it a fun exercise to think ab what could have been sometimes. I.e.- Sometimes not so fun..what if we had drafted Manziel over Martino_O. That would have been a disaster and Dak would have prob never been drafted.

But hey, who knows.. After a full offseason to get stronger and acclimated to the game.. maybe Trysten Hill is dominating and will forget this conversation. Much like all the DeMarcus Lawrence haters a couple seasons ago.

I honestly wanted to know if their were others that had hopes of a certain player that could have been had..how are they looking so far?
 

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That’s fine but you don’t reach for a lower rated guy with red flags over the safety who probably should have been taken earlier. You take the guy who fell in your lap at a position of need over the guy you have to justify with twisted logic.

Thornhill didn't really fit a position of "need".

The Cowboys needed a Strong Safety and Thornhill projects to Free Safety.

Some draft media and reportedly some teams projected Thornhill to CB.

If Thornhill was rated strictly as a Strong Safety in draft rankings, he would not have been rated as a 2nd round pick.

He is practicing FS and CB in KC.
 

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If they had him rated higher then they likely were the only ones anywhere and it was likely the result of pushing him up the board because they fixated on him for some reason. Hill is not a better football player than Thornhill. That’s not my opinion. It’s basically what everyone everywhere said.
The draft is always a trade-off between ready-now vs high-upside players.

Top 10 picks should be both (unless they're QBs).

Outside of the 1st round, teams basically face that question each time they make a pick.

Vander Esch turned out to be ready early, but he was not a ready-now type pick as compared to 1st round picks in general.

If the Cowboys always take the ready now type player over the higher upside player they'll end up with a team full of Anthony Hitchens type players.


Once you factor in comparing different positions it adds more decision criteria.

DL is a higher position value than Safety.
- Higher Franchise Tag, bigger contracts, more DL drafted in the top 10, etc..

Trysten Hill: A DL with his measurable(s) and overall athletic ability would be a 1st round pick if he was highly developed as a football player.
 

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If they had him rated higher then they likely were the only ones anywhere and it was likely the result of pushing him up the board because they fixated on him for some reason. Hill is not a better football player than Thornhill. That’s not my opinion. It’s basically what everyone everywhere said.
I understand that but when you rank guys on board you factor in ceiling among other things. Its not about who's better now its who's going to be better in the long haul. I'm not justifying the pick because I personally don't know what Thornhill or Hill will be. Most people I saw had Thornhill as a 2nd-3rd round pick so its not like they passed up a premiere talent there.

I have to give them the benefit of the doubt because people didn't have LVE ranked as high as the Cowboys did. You remember the Fredericks pick? Everyone had him rated as a 3rd round player and they took him in the 1st?
 

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Until they play these lists mean nothing. However, I still feel the same way passing on a safety in the draft when we had our pick of some very talented guys. Thought we missed out on some real value.

When they selected Hill it was clear it would be a crowded dline and don't see him playing much this season. But next season he likely gets an opportunity with Crawford and Collins possibly not being here.
 

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I want to see these "measurables" we were told Hill had.
His college game tape didn't impress me at all.
 

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Just a reminder of what we passed on for Trystan Hill: Juan Thornhill's Combine drill percentiles vs every safety in the NFL.

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Yes I'm bitter.

It bothers me. Freak athete + Power 5 conference + Doesn't suck at playing football has been SUCH a successful early-round formula for the Cowboys since 2015. Thornhill fit the mold for a Cowboys target , and he was a Cowboys target, but Marinelli talked the war room out of it on the first day of the draft.

The last time he talked the war room into his guy, we picked Taco over textbook Cowboys target TJ Watt (97th percentile NFL athlete + played at Wisconsin + had 11 sacks in his junior year), and uggh. I like Marinelli as a DL coach, but that's twice now that he's screwed with the formula, and like the Beach Boys said, "you don't screw with the formula."
 
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