Xavier Su'a-Filo Start over Connor

Risen Star · Aug 19, 2019

I don't know if Su'a-Filo even makes the roster.

blueblood70 · Aug 19, 2019

superonyx said:
Its well know and not really even that debatable that where you were drafted gives you the advantage in opportunity.
If you have a young guy you invested a high draft pick on you do everything you can to prove you were right. Plenty of cases (Erik Flowers ect) started when they had no business even making the team because of where they were drafted.

So this notion is completely false.

However thats not to say Connor is garbage and should be traded.
He also has a higher ceiling.

But the people who don't understand why fans like Xavier need to think objectively. They don't love Xavier they just see Connor struggling and feel that whats best for this football team TODAY is to have the better Guard playing. Connor is a tackle they we are forcing to play guard.
There is a very good chance that this time next year everyone is hyping Connor as our RT when Lael walks.

relative to what one might believe, this is NOT HS ,the coaches will NOT compromise the offense just to get a better draft pick on the field if they have someone better on the roster, sorry its NOT FALSE, Yes they will get more chances and hang around longer but Cwill was not bad he simply needs to work on run blocking when moving straight forward in power formations..

like I said Cwill, hes better in everyway than Xavier except run blocking Xavier has slight advantage..

this offseason he put on some muscle and working hard at it..

Alexander · Aug 19, 2019

They have been playing him a lot, but I don't think that means they want him to start. It would be the exact opposite if that were the case.

quickccc · Aug 19, 2019

Irvin88_4life said:
This is foolish. Connor Williams is much better than Sua'filo and quite frankly Sua'filo really isn't good at all. He is ok in the run game but is totally lost in pass protection. Martin will be back at RG anyways so it doesn't matter.

lol,..i thought it was the comedy central hour show once I read the title and discussion topic. Can we really take this serious ?
So we'd bench a much superior pass blocker and athlete ( Connor W.) ..over a guy that still has his struggles with movement and the more he has to play, the more he seems to wear down and
struggle that much more?.. (Xavier Sua Filo).. ..

it's a possibility that if McGovern had been healthy, Filo stood a big chance of being cut at final roster cut time.

gimmesix · Aug 19, 2019

Dak_Attack_09 said:
Idk about y’all but I like the way
Xavier Su'a-Filo plays with physicality yet able to move laterally. I would rather have him start over Connor Williams and complete this line. Pollards big run came on his side?

If not carry extra OL & keep 5 WRs with ability of Pollard/Zeke to come out of the backfield.

Su'a-Filo gave up more sacks in fewer games than Williams last year. He's a big, powerful run blocker whose technique fails him in pass blocking.

superonyx · Aug 19, 2019

gimmesix said:
Su'a-Filo gave up more sacks in fewer games than Williams last year. He's a big, powerful run blocker whose technique fails him in pass blocking.

Yet when he took C Williams job he didnt give it back.
Connor was handed it back because he was drafted early and thats what happens in the nfl.

_sturt_ · Aug 19, 2019

buybuydandavis said:
XSF is a big liability in pass blocking and can't pull like Williams.

XSF is very gone. We drafted McGovern. We're keeping Looney. Redmond probably sticks before XSF.

Bookmarked.

speedkilz88 · Aug 19, 2019

Sua-Filo is as good as cut. His feet don't move well enough to be anything but a marginal reserve in the league. Which is why he was on the street last year.

jrumann59 · Aug 19, 2019

superonyx said:
Yet when he took C Williams job he didnt give it back.
Connor was handed it back because he was drafted early and thats what happens in the nfl.

Something can be said about a vet. Who is who he is. He has the benefit of experience but not the technique to be an every day starter. He has always been a mauler type and in pass pro if he can't maul you he is bad. Quick guys give him trouble which is the guy he most likely will get since no one wants to put their best interior DL on Martin.

blueblood70 · Aug 19, 2019

superonyx said:
Yet when he took C Williams job he didnt give it back.
Connor was handed it back because he was drafted early and thats what happens in the nfl.

BS......

not a fact, fact is we move a lot in our run and blocking schemes and while Xavier is a better mauler moving forward for short yardage jumbo type or a normal blocking scheme, Cwill is much better on the move..period hes better in everyway except mauler.. they dont play players who are bad just because of where they are picked..they may give them more chances to stick on the roster but coaches dont play a player who should be on the bench when they have a better player..its not how it works..

superonyx · Aug 19, 2019

gimmesix said:
Su'a-Filo gave up more sacks in fewer games than Williams last year. He's a big, powerful run blocker whose technique fails him in pass blocking.

I agree with what you said. Spot on.

But was Connor Williams is the opposite player. Good feet who can't move guys in run blocking. Gets beat by power.
Sua-Filo gave up 6 sacks and committed 1 penalty.
Connor gave up 4.5 sacks and committed 5 penalties.
A penalty called on an offensive lineman is close to a sack. Drive killer stuff.

I doubt anyone is begging for Sua-Filo. They are just seeing Connor for what he is or has shown.

If Sua-Filo is an upgrade in the run game and in pass protection is close to Williams or even inferior then its still something to consider.

I wish Connor was better so we are not debating him vs street free agents. Or do the right thing and move him to Tackle were he has the footwork and strength to push DE's and OLBs instead of jamming up the gaps with DT's.

superonyx · Aug 19, 2019

blueblood70 said:
BS......

not a fact, fact is we move a lot in our run and blocking schemes and while Xavier is a better mauler moving forward for short yardage jumbo type or a normal blocking scheme, Cwill is much better on the move..period hes better in everyway except mauler.. they dont play players who are bad just because of where they are picked..they may give them more chances to stick on the roster but coaches dont play a player who should be on the bench when they have a better player..its not how it works..

explain why Erick Flowers started for so long for the giants then since NFL teams dont do this.

Everyone (except you) realizes high draft picks will get to play over street free agents in almost all cases. Player have commented on this. Wake up.

erod · Aug 19, 2019

blueblood70 said:
BS......

not a fact, fact is we move a lot in our run and blocking schemes and while Xavier is a better mauler moving forward for short yardage jumbo type or a normal blocking scheme, Cwill is much better on the move..period hes better in everyway except mauler.. they dont play players who are bad just because of where they are picked..they may give them more chances to stick on the roster but coaches dont play a player who should be on the bench when they have a better player..its not how it works..

Fletcher Cox pushes Connor Williams backwards at will.

And improved upper body strength useless in that regard. It's about being able to anchor with a big fat butt.

Start Looney at guard, and make Williams the swing tackle until he's ready to take over at right tackle. Cut Fleming.

blueblood70 · Aug 19, 2019

erod said:
Fletcher Cox pushes Connor Williams backwards at will.

And improved upper body strength useless in that regard. It's about being able to anchor with a big fat butt.

Start Looney at guard, and make Williams the swing tackle until he's ready to take over at right tackle. Cut Fleming.

all hyperbole , you dont chose who starts and again the coaches will start the best player, not just who blocks pushing forward the best but the BEST overall player..Looneys backup and we need him for depth regardless if he can start.. no telling if Tfred can play all 16, whomever they choose, we watch and cheer..sorry but FCox pushes many grown men backwards , hes a perennial pro bowler with mean streak..

cern · Aug 19, 2019

Williams just keeps improving. when playing between a healthy smith and freddy, he will be even better. people seem to be judging him based on last years performance early in the season. few saw the improvement in him after returning from injury when he filled in for zack. he's better now than then.

superonyx · Aug 19, 2019

blueblood70 said:
relative to what one might believe, this is NOT HS ,the coaches will NOT compromise the offense just to get a better draft pick on the field if they have someone better on the roster, sorry its NOT FALSE, Yes they will get more chances and hang around longer but Cwill was not bad he simply needs to work on run blocking when moving straight forward in power formations..

like I said Cwill, hes better in everyway than Xavier except run blocking Xavier has slight advantage..

this offseason he put on some muscle and working hard at it..

Vince Young was named a starter his rookie year over Kerry Collins.
At what point was Young ever better than Collins? He wasnt. He was handed the job because he was drafted high.

This happens all the time in the NFL. Almost every draft bust you can find will show that he was handed a job only because of where he was drafted and in most cases a player who was better was told to sit down and let the rookie grow.

You can close your eyes and pretend its doesnt happen if this makes you feel more comfortable but it does. All the time.

Today Williams has not shown that he earned his job. It was handed to him and when he went down with an injury last year the team did the right think and started Xavier the rest of the way.
Williams will be a good tackle one day. He could be today. Doubtful he is ever as good of a guard as he could be a tackle.

blueblood70 · Aug 19, 2019

superonyx said:
explain why Erick Flowers started for so long for the giants then since NFL teams dont do this.

Everyone (except you) realizes high draft picks will get to play over street free agents in almost all cases. Player have commented on this. Wake up.

you wake up, the giants is all you got, NO this ist true I said IF they had a better choice on the roster , obviously the Gnats for long time did not and were worse off because of it.. Cwill is OVERALL the better player, just when we need mauling he had some bad games last year but apparently hes working hard to get stronger.. Coaches know best not internet egocentric fans..move on fake GM..

I do feel like the coaches have PLAN, thats why McGovern was drafted as possible Cwill replacement , LC contract up let him go or trade him slide Cwill out to RT..still its the best five that start..

its good problem to have given the Chaz green and other horrible replacements in 2017 that were horrible.. we have good starters, good depth m, and some role players for special packages.. Xavier should come in on goal line or short yardage as the extra guy like replacing the TE on one side other..i had a thought they should do this and put Cwill at TE eleible or whatever they call it slide Xavier in his spot and then you see run pass option and get Cwill a pass or two in the endzone..hes athletic enough to do that and stay in as an edge blocker..so many options..

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Hennessy_King · Aug 19, 2019

It's a shame mcgovern got hurt. I feel like he would have ran away with that LG job. So we have a 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick to solidify the LG spot. And it's still subpar. Ugh

blueblood70 · Aug 19, 2019

superonyx said:
Vince Young was named a starter his rookie year over Kerry Collins.
At what point was Young ever better than Collins? He wasnt. He was handed the job because he was drafted high.

This happens all the time in the NFL. Almost every draft bust you can find will show that he was handed a job only because of where he was drafted and in most cases a player who was better was told to sit down and let the rookie grow.

You can close your eyes and pretend its doesnt happen if this makes you feel more comfortable but it does. All the time.

Today Williams has not shown that he earned his job. It was handed to him and when he went down with an injury last year the team did the right think and started Xavier the rest of the way.
Williams will be a good tackle one day. He could be today. Doubtful he is ever as good of a guard as he could be a tackle.

nah id say both were bad and Vince was best of the worse..again not better guy on the bench,, get out of here with Collins even in the conversation ..good lol :lmao:

QuincyCarterEra · Aug 19, 2019

Dak_Attack_09 said:
Idk about y’all but I like the way
Xavier Su'a-Filo plays with physicality yet able to move laterally. I would rather have him start over Connor Williams and complete this line. Pollards big run came on his side?

If not carry extra OL & keep 5 WRs with ability of Pollard/Zeke to come out of the backfield.

Lol hell no.

William's was better as a rookie tha XSF, and now William's has an extra year and 15 more pounds.

Awful idea.

Xavier Su'a-Filo Start over Connor

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