How many would take a pay cut?

Vanilla2 · Aug 20, 2019

This place is crawling with em

slick325 · Aug 20, 2019

To be clear, if Zeke sits out the year, he still is under contract for two years with the Cowboys. He will earn this year's salary a year from now and $9M in 2021.

So, he would just be pushing the money ahead and losing out on salary this season.

Anyway...hate away on the holdout bad guy player. Sorry to interrupt.

CowboysFaninHouston · Aug 20, 2019

Q_the_man said:
This is to all the posters who want players to take a pay cut.

If your boss came up to you and said would you take a $4 an hour pay cut so he can hire a couple extra employees so that more work could get done more efficiently. But if you don't take a pay cut they will have to lay off a few employees. So who's taking that pay cut?

I understand some make less then others but I know some here make good money. So who's taking the pay cut?

This is for all the posters who want players to take a pay cuts for the greater good of the team, the same team that will eventually cut you to save money.

its not the same thing. you are comparing ability to buy a 32 ft yacht, vs. 38 ft yacht....vs. eating and having a roof over your head and not having one.

there is a living, improving quality life wage, and then there is having additional 0's in your savings account.

so you can't compare that and its not a good example.

however, the difference between 30 mil a year, vs. 32 mill a year is not significant when you are at that level. there is also opportunities to make additional money, outside of football, which they all do.

so the question is if you can afford everything. if you can get anything you want. if you are set for life. what else can you get or not get? and as an athlete, that's championships. You can't buy that, even if you made 40 mill a year. but given the rules today, a cap, if you take the money, and push for the money, then there won't be room to have other players that can help you win championships. that's why brady became the goat. he is taking below market value, but he has 6 rings... and his name is forever etched in history.

CATCH17 · Aug 20, 2019

Which is why he should do a team friendly deal.

He’s coming to the table 2 years early asking for more money. If he wants more then he needs to be realistic.

Both sides can win in this deal.

reddyuta · Aug 20, 2019

he definitely has leverage,he knows our whole offense revolves around him,Jerry needs to take blame for drafting a RB so high but he wont make that mistake again.

Scotman · Aug 20, 2019

Bizwah said:
Sounds like the type of administrator teacher's love.

Our Supe did the same. Our district went through some tough times years ago. Teachers were in danger of being let go, we were all in a salary freeze (even though insurance was going up), and he was due a raise. He actually took less like you did....he understood that was how to have the BEST TEAM for the kids.

Jerry is no different. In reality, he could make a HUGE push for the NFL getting rid of the cap. Shoot. The Cowboys would dominate the market and FA. But he realizes the NFL is a team. The salary cap has enabled the NFL to become a huge juggernaut.

I don't think it's out of line for him to ask players to take less of a raise to build a better team. That's what he's done. If there was no salary cap, there's no doubt that Jerry would pay each player what they feel they deserve. He's not being cheap....he's being smart with the rules.

Exactly. I would feel A LOT differently if Jerry was trying NOT to spend all of the salary cap. But he doesn't. He tries his best to put it all on the field.

waldoputty · Aug 20, 2019

Ranching said:
I've done it before. Sometimes a job is more important than the money.

yes, when u and @dallasdave were competing for the cheerleader job

Cas2800 · Aug 20, 2019

AbeBeta said:
Ummm. He didn't quit his job

/thread

Nope but threatening to sit out is the same thing.

CWR · Aug 20, 2019

reddyuta said:
he definitely has leverage,he knows our whole offense revolves around him,Jerry needs to take blame for drafting a RB so high but he wont make that mistake again.

The problem wasn't drafting a RB, it was drafting a selfish, immature RB. I think Jerry planned on paying Zeke all along, but his timing took him by surprise. If he played well this year and had a quiet off season I still believe he'd get paid.

CWR · Aug 20, 2019

CowboysFaninHouston said:
its not the same thing. you are comparing ability to buy a 32 ft yacht, vs. 38 ft yacht....vs. eating and having a roof over your head and not having one.

there is a living, improving quality life wage, and then there is having additional 0's in your savings account.

so you can't compare that and its not a good example.

however, the difference between 30 mil a year, vs. 32 mill a year is not significant when you are at that level. there is also opportunities to make additional money, outside of football, which they all do.

so the question is if you can afford everything. if you can get anything you want. if you are set for life. what else can you get or not get? and as an athlete, that's championships. You can't buy that, even if you made 40 mill a year. but given the rules today, a cap, if you take the money, and push for the money, then there won't be room to have other players that can help you win championships. that's why brady became the goat. he is taking below market value, but he has 6 rings... and his name is forever etched in history.

jazzcat22 · Aug 20, 2019

Q_the_man said:
This is to all the posters who want players to take a pay cut.

If your boss came up to you and said would you take a $4 an hour pay cut so he can hire a couple extra employees so that more work could get done more efficiently. But if you don't take a pay cut they will have to lay off a few employees. So who's taking that pay cut?

I understand some make less then others but I know some here make good money. So who's taking the pay cut?

This is for all the posters who want players to take a pay cuts for the greater good of the team, the same team that will eventually cut you to save money.

The real thing is though, when companies feel the need to do this, they just do it. And employees either accept it or leave to another company. If not right away, but eventually. They have no choice. Take it or leave.

I was at a large company that did something similar back in the early 80’s. It did not go over very well. But yet many had no choice. But when things got better a lot of employees left. Including me. And my career took off and became better.

People,who stayed, years later told me they wished they would have left too. And many stayed angry for years and their work was effected too. As they didn’t care, just went through the motions.

Far different than the NFL. But pay cuts, or in my case, I didn’t get a pay cut, but lost vacation time, 2 weeks of it per year, and the pay increases was non existent for 2 years, then when reinstated they were half the size and was give at 14 months instead of 10 months. Some people in the higher pay brackets took up to a 5% pay cut. And never got it back.

The thing was the company was not in financial trouble they had record sales and getting new contracts. They did it because the economy for some companies was on a downturn, so they followed suit and a trend. It was the in thing to do. Just so the execs could make it look good to the share holders and get more compensation.

So a company will never ask employees to do such a thing, they will just do it. But I understand the point you are making.

Sevenup3000 · Aug 20, 2019

Dale said:
I'm pro player when it comes to contracts. They're in the 1 percent of the 1 percent of the population who can perform this game at this level, and deserve their share of the enormous revenue pie that the sport brings in.

But as it specifically relates to our trio, here are my thoughts:

1) Cooper is wise to try to maximize his contract demands by putting forth a huge 2019 season. He can't command nearly what he wants based on his current career statistics, in my opinion. I don't see Cooper giving the Cowboys a discount, nor do I really think he owes us one.

2) Zeke is wise to demand more money now because he's a depreciating asset. A monster 1,700-yard season could theoretically lessen his worth. He's no different than a new car driven off the lot. However -- and this is a big however -- I think he owes the Jones family for the way they've stood by him. This guy has been just short of a complete disaster off the field. It's rather amazing, not to mention disappointing, that that seems to be forgotten now that it's time to redo his contract.

3) Dak has waited his turn and has spent 3+ seasons being paid well below the level of a high-caliber starting QB. But I think he's being extremely shortsighted if his reported demands are accurate. Let's be real, Dak's value is in his ability to win and lead. In my opinion he's wiser to leave a few million on the table in hopes that that money will be turned toward a better roster, than bleeding every penny from the Cowboys now and risking a deteriorating roster. Because I don't see Dak getting a second contract from the franchise if the latter scenario plays out. Where as he could have long, lucrative career here if the talent around him remains at an acceptable level.

Once again, if there is one person in the NFL who should not leave a penny on the table...it is one that was the 77th highest paid QB in the NFL last year. Dak should not take one penny below market rate (whatever that is). Period. End. of. Discussion.

I remember a few years ago Drew Brees holding out for more money from the Saints. Matt Stafford, Andrew Luck, and Kirk Cousins have never ever left a penny on the table. Tony Romo was paid market value and not a penny less...so was Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, and Big Ben.

To ask the guy that made less than Stafford and the like made in one quarter to take a team friendly deal is a non-starter. Period. End. of. Discussion.

kskboys · Aug 20, 2019

WillieBeamen said:
Compare that roster with the Cowboys roster....

Zeke
Cooper
Frederick
Smith
Martin
LVE
Jones
Lawerence
Smith
Lee

Just as talented. You want to know what the major difference is? QB and Head Coach...

Absolutely agree. Both are freaks.

However, the Pats are stacked. Their 2nd tier players are also very solid. Last year it was Danny Shelton, Malcolm Brown, Joe Thuney, David Andrews, Sony Michel, The other McCourty: All very good players. Didn't Wise play well at DE?

kskboys · Aug 20, 2019

Scotman said:
I mentioned this in another thread.

I took less money so that others in my district could make more. I was the superintendent in a small school district in Texas. Definitely making less than the big districts, but still well over 100 a year. I turned down raises several times during the 12 years I was superintendent...including the year I was superintendent of the year for my region. I am absolutely sure I could have added another 20-30% to my salary my last couple of years and more prior to that. It allowed my to keep my Ag teacher who became President of the Texas FFA teacher's association. It allowed me to keep my head coach who became the president of the Texas 6-man Coach's Association. It allowed me to give everyone who had been there 30+ years a 25% pay increase. It allowed me to do things like provide ALL the school supplies for the kids...every sheet of paper...every pencil...every book...even the dual credit course tuition. I retired last October and left behind a financially stable and strong academic district with home-grown leadership to replace me.

If these guys all want top money they are going to sacrifice having a strong team. And when they are already guaranteed money that will secure their family for generations...it makes no sense to me. I know for a fact I wouldn't make the same choice.

Nice.

I think there are far more people who are not all about the money than is thought. Thing is, those that are all about the money are loud and obnoxious so you are sure to notice them more.

Bizwah · Aug 20, 2019

Sevenup3000 said:
Once again, if there is one person in the NFL who should not leave a penny on the table...it is one that was the 77th highest paid QB in the NFL last year. Dak should not take one penny below market rate (whatever that is). Period. End. of. Discussion.

I remember a few years ago Drew Brees holding out for more money from the Saints. Matt Stafford, Andrew Luck, and Kirk Cousins have never ever left a penny on the table. Tony Romo was paid market value and not a penny less...so was Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, and Big Ben.

To ask the guy that made less than Stafford and the like made in one quarter to take a team friendly deal is a non-starter. Period. End. of. Discussion.

I think people are ok with Dak. He is going to get paid...big.

He's in camp, not holding out. Fans are going to be more understanding of him.

plymkr · Aug 20, 2019

Q_the_man said:
This is to all the posters who want players to take a pay cut.

If your boss came up to you and said would you take a $4 an hour pay cut so he can hire a couple extra employees so that more work could get done more efficiently. But if you don't take a pay cut they will have to lay off a few employees. So who's taking that pay cut?

I understand some make less then others but I know some here make good money. So who's taking the pay cut?

This is for all the posters who want players to take a pay cuts for the greater good of the team, the same team that will eventually cut you to save money.

I see your point in this but this is not a fair question. It's not fair because NFL players are on a team playing for one goal. If that goal is reached then it may open the doors for everyone on the team to make more money either through endorsements, speaking engagements, radio shows, etc. If I'm a factory worker and my boss asks me to take a 4 dollar an hour pay cut so he can hire more workers to have more productivity. I would say no without thinking. Now in the same scenario my boss asks me the same question but drops in the nugget that with more production our factory has a chance to he the best in the world and at the end of the year if our production is the best than every employee in the factory would get a bonus, national recognition, and other things that would beef up my resume so I could gain extra income outside of the factory for several years and also collect the same paycheck for my work in the factory; I would say yes to that in a heartbeat.

If Dak, Zeke, and Coop win a super bowl it would create opportunities for endorsements, commercials, movie roles ( cameos at least), radio shows, and social media that would earn them more money than they give up by taking less on a contract. Especially Dak, he would have so many endorsement opportunities it wouldn't be funny.

kskboys · Aug 20, 2019

plymkr said:
I see your point in this but this is not a fair question. It's not fair because NFL players are on a team playing for one goal. If that goal is reached then it may open the doors for everyone on the team to make more money either through endorsements, speaking engagements, radio shows, etc. If I'm a factory worker and my boss asks me to take a 4 dollar an hour pay cut so he can hire more workers to have more productivity. I would say no without thinking. Now in the same scenario my boss asks me the same question but drops in the nugget that with more production our factory has a chance to he the best in the world and at the end of the year if our production is the best than every employee in the factory would get a bonus, national recognition, and other things that would beef up my resume so I could gain extra income outside of the factory for several years and also collect the same paycheck for my work in the factory; I would say yes to that in a heartbeat.

If Dak, Zeke, and Coop win a super bowl it would create opportunities for endorsements, commercials, movie roles ( cameos at least), radio shows, and social media that would earn them more money than they give up by taking less on a contract. Especially Dak, he would have so many endorsement opportunities it wouldn't be funny.

Nicely done.

plymkr · Aug 20, 2019

kskboys said:
Nicely done.

Thanks

TheGoat73 · Aug 20, 2019

Q_the_man said:
This is to all the posters who want players to take a pay cut.

If your boss came up to you and said would you take a $4 an hour pay cut so he can hire a couple extra employees so that more work could get done more efficiently. But if you don't take a pay cut they will have to lay off a few employees. So who's taking that pay cut?

I understand some make less then others but I know some here make good money. So who's taking the pay cut?

This is for all the posters who want players to take a pay cuts for the greater good of the team, the same team that will eventually cut you to save money.

I worked for a Board of Directors who offered me a raise. I asked them to give it to an underpaid employee, who I needed to keep, instead of me. So, I would and have.

CouchCoach · Aug 21, 2019

This seems to center around the words "pay cut". Forget that.

Would you be willing to take less than your fair market value? If you consider yourself to be the best or right at the best at your profession, would you take less? Now before you answer that, this is not to help your company. Your company hasn't shown the ability to manage their expenses so they want you to take the hit for that, would you do that? But wait, there's more, there is a limit to the earnings years at this particular company and they could actually fire you and you not receive all of the compensation.

Amazing how free we are with someone else's paycheck and determining their worth. This is among the silliest things we do here.

How many would take a pay cut?

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