Twitter: Stephen’s take on negotiations with agents

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Aug 20, 2019

Qcard said:
I LOVE the posture Jerry and Stephen are taking.. but it is all peaches and cream till you start losing games...

The 2 old sayings, that is when the rubber will meet the road and the rooster will come home too roost.

Playmaker3128 · Aug 20, 2019

I’m actually happy jerry and Steven Jones are smarter than they have been in past.

I think people see jerry supports his players and now the agents are trying to take advantage.

Giving out stupid contracts is no longer part of this organization and that is definitely a welcomed thing

IndianaCowboys1994 · Aug 20, 2019

DeStorm said:
SJ is right. Nice messaging to Zeke/ Dak/ Amari.

There is only so much Cowboy pie to be had. Don't be last in line.

Messaging is on point.

Poor Byron. Love him, but I don't think he gets a piece.

xwalker · Aug 20, 2019

conner01 said:
Agents in many cases want to look like they got the most and the player ends up getting less because so much fluff is in their to make the agents look good
Agents can be slime balls
I worked in the Austin industry in Houston for many years and paid kickbacks to agents to get them to bring their players who are already paying them, to me
In the end the player paid the kickback but that’s a prime example of an agent looking out for himself, not his client

Teams should find ways to get a couple of players that the team is already planning to give a max contract, to just hire a one time fee lawyer to do the contract.

Then the player could get a max contract and brag that they only paid the lawyer 50K instead of several million in commissions.

After a few of those a mass movement of players would start trying the same concept.

Agents would panic.

Cas2800 · Aug 20, 2019

Cowboys22 said:
I wish they would take it a step forward and go sign or trade for a legit RB and come out saying they are prepared to go into the season with him and Pollard. Then take the offer off the table and don’t mention his name again until he’s willing to sign a realistic deal or you’re announcing he has been traded.

They defiantly need to put a deadline on their offer. Then its up to Zeke.....Play for 9 million or sit out the entire season.

Brax · Aug 21, 2019

Corso said:
I think D-Law telling Stevie "That's not my problem" affected him.

and that is where the line should of been drawn and D-law should never have been signed,

DandyDon52 · Aug 21, 2019

Wolfpack said:
I have NFL agent as clients. There takenis 8-12% plus a lower % on stuff like endorsements and such.

others here said 3% was the max on contracts

slick325 · Aug 21, 2019

It isn't the agents or the players problem. That is a front office and team problem.

DandyDon52 · Aug 21, 2019

Alexander said:
I have always believed that a lot of this has to do with the player themselves.

We already should know what agents are interested in. Yes, there is the Rod Tidwell "show me the money" thing and the romance of Jerry MacGuire, but that is a very small part of the overall picture.

A lot of these players lack the intellect to understand money and how to handle it. Most have come from backgrounds where money's value begins and ends with the dollar sign, not how it is managed.

Look at idiots like Antonio Brown. He got nice contracts from Drew Rosenhaus. But he blew vast amounts of money on hot air balloons to take him to camp and even customized mats for the ground when he stepped off of it.

A few million dollars here or there matter far more to the agent than the player, if they have half a brain. And if the player is smart, he might realize that.

yeah some of the guys definitely need an agent, but some that are smarter could do their own if they wanted to.
It could be like the old dont be your own attorney thing too.
But if I were a player I would want some input on what kind of deal I wanted, and what was important to me, and to know about all offers.

Roadtrip635 · Aug 21, 2019

ShortRound131 said:
They came out swinging today.

full image:

Stephen also helped create this problem and told Zeke's agent and the world where the price starts. But now he's mad because, his words are being used against him.

“Well, I mean we’ve got it budgeted that we’re going to pay Zeke a significant contract at some point,” he said. "He’s right there at the top with the best of the business, if not the best. We saw what Gurley got paid, and that’s probably where it starts, and we’ll go from there.”

https://1053thefan.radio.com/articl...eted-pay-ezekiel-elliott-significant-contract

Nickyd2208 · Aug 21, 2019

Proof said:
pretty sure the standard is ten pct

An NFL agent can't make more than 3% on a players' contract and typically between 10-20% on endorsement deals.

Wolfpack said:
I have NFL agent as clients. There takenis 8-12% plus a lower % on stuff like endorsements and such.

NFL and NBA have strict limits. 3% is max for a commission on a players team contract. Hockey and baseball don't have limits.

doomsday9084 · Aug 21, 2019

IMO, at least one of the guys looking for an extension is going to get screwed. The Cowboys are going to get hurt too but the agents don't care about that. The agents care about their own clients but they are playing a game where one of them will get crushed. IMO, one of Cooper, Dak or Zeke will end up signing for less than what the Cowboys have already offered, probably on another team. The money simply isn't there to give all these players anything close to what they want.

Montanalo · Aug 21, 2019

Cas2800 said:
They defiantly need to put a deadline on their offer. Then its up to Zeke.....Play for 9 million or sit out the entire season.

Actually, I am not so sure placing a deadline on their contract offer is a good idea. I understand what you are suggesting, but am concerned the Jones side of the negotiating equation would fold and do a deal simply to get it done.

I would be more inclined to say something along the lines of, "... We've presented you with a good faith offer, sign it and join the team; rejoin the team and continue negotiating or sit out.". Anything else would be negotiating with themselves.

InTheZone · Aug 21, 2019

One thing that may be overlooked is that maybe all of these players aren't asking for more money on their contract when they dont agree, they just don't agree on the guaranteed number or what's in their clause.

For example, I believe Dak is trying to squeeze the team for as much as possible (total number, not so much guaranteed number) but I beleieve Zeke is looking at the guaranteed number being higher, even if the total number is a number he's perfectly fine with.

Not ever dispute has to do with the total value

fansince68 · Aug 21, 2019

Bizwah said:
I do agree with Stephen. And even though I rarely say this.....

The owners don't necessarily care about making sure the players get everything they can. This is the most profitable league, yet no guaranteed contracts? I totally understand why the owners wouldn't want to do away with the salary cap. It keeps the league (except New England) pretty even. But, if you raise the cap significantly, or relax the rules somewhat, then you could pay the players more.

I have always thought that the cap punishes a team that drafts well. I firmly believe a team should be rewarded for drafting well. Let the team that originally drafts a player count less against the cap. If the player truly wants to leave....they can....but if a team drafts well, then they have a better opportunity of keeping their good players.

I usually am very reluctant to put down big bucks for a player's jersey. It seems it's such a transient league. You never know how long a player will be with your favorite team.

I love your plan.

phildadon86 · Aug 21, 2019

Roadtrip635 said:
Stephen also helped create this problem and told Zeke's agent and the world where the price starts. But now he's mad because, his words are being used against him.

“Well, I mean we’ve got it budgeted that we’re going to pay Zeke a significant contract at some point,” he said. "He’s right there at the top with the best of the business, if not the best. We saw what Gurley got paid, and that’s probably where it starts, and we’ll go from there.”

https://1053thefan.radio.com/articl...eted-pay-ezekiel-elliott-significant-contract

Yeah its like Stephen is mad now. Well maybe you should have kept your mouth shut. Guess he learned that from daddy

CooterBrown · Aug 21, 2019

Roadtrip635 said:
Stephen also helped create this problem and told Zeke's agent and the world where the price starts. But now he's mad because, his words are being used against him.

“Well, I mean we’ve got it budgeted that we’re going to pay Zeke a significant contract at some point,” he said. "He’s right there at the top with the best of the business, if not the best. We saw what Gurley got paid, and that’s probably where it starts, and we’ll go from there.”

https://1053thefan.radio.com/articl...eted-pay-ezekiel-elliott-significant-contract

Stephen said, "....at some point....." I believe the point he was talking about was in his final contract year, not when he still has two years to go.

Wolfpack · Aug 21, 2019

Nickyd2208 said:
An NFL agent can't make more than 3% on a players' contract and typically between 10-20% on endorsement deals.

NFL and NBA have strict limits. 3% is max for a commission on a players team contract. Hockey and baseball don't have limits.

My bad I had them reversed in my head

X550i · Aug 21, 2019

Interesting,
My counter as an agent would be, "will you guarantee my client a championship if I take less for the team?'
If you can't, then why should I?

Roadtrip635 · Aug 21, 2019

CooterBrown said:
Stephen said, "....at some point....." I believe the point he was talking about was in his final contract year, not when he still has two years to go.

He should have waited to say it then, better yet not say it at all. Once you start putting statements like that out there, people are gonna expect it sooner rather than later.

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