Surprised by fan reactions (re: contracts)

khiladi

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Not for what he wants. It will be a deal that works for the team. Believe that....lol

I’m more than happy for us not to sign Dak... they aren’t going to win with him, no matter how much talent they sign around him, including Zeke.. still doesn’t change the fact that Dak has a negotiating price and he’s not taking a hometown discount per his own words..
 

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And Dak is signing a long term deal.. and there market value.. so it’s not simply about salary cap, it’s about what HIS market value is..

It will be what works for the team and it's salary cap.
 

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I’m more than happy for us not to sign Dak... they aren’t going to win with him, no matter how much talent they sign around him, including Zeke.. still doesn’t change the fact that Dak has a negotiating price and he’s not taking a hometown discount per his own words..

Lol...40 million? See if he gets it....lol
 

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Which is why Dak mentioned it as far as his deal and Zeke and Cooper. These guys are negotiating with ift going up in mind. The fact is the owners can up it based on the revenue coming in. The players aren’t stupid..

First, we don't know how much actual revenue will go up. We assume that it will but it may not go up as much as we believe because TV revenue contracts will be renegotiated and that's still up in the air, at this point. That's a huge deal. You have multiple cable outlets who, right now, aren't carrying NFL as a part of their service package. They aren't offering NFL channel or even local networks like Fox or CBS. This is a huge issue right now and I can't say that I see anybody actually knows where that whole thing will land, including these players. Here's what's going on there. They are talking to their agents and the agents are saying that such and such will go up such and such and so that's why we need to be asking for X, in terms of salary. The truth of that is that the Agents want their players to get the biggest payday they can because they get paid on the deal so the more, the better. Teams can't look at it that way. Agents can try to negotiate that way but teams, not so much. They have to look at it in terms of when contracts are due, who is coming due, what the cap is and what might happen as projections in years out and what the CBA may or may not agree to and how long it may take to get it passed. I mean, I get the argument from the player side but it's not as cut and dried as all of that IMO.

Besides, it's not about what they believe they are worth, it's about what Jerry is willing to pay. If these guys just flat don't want to sign, then they can play out their contracts and either leave as FAs or find trade partners for a trade. That is the real test for what their market might be.
 

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It will be what works for the team and it's salary cap.

And according to Dak, what works for the team is not what the team is low-balling him with.. not sure what your point is, other than your trying to win an argument you can’t, because your feelings are hurt..
 

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Lol...40 million? See if he gets it....lol

Who said it’s 40 million? Dak’s camp
Supposedly denied it and the people that think so, argue that’s just as negotiating point. I don’t even think he’s worth 30 million..
 

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First, we don't know how much actual revenue will go up. We assume that it will but it may not go up as much as we believe because TV revenue contracts will be renegotiated and that's still up in the air, at this point. That's a huge deal. You have multiple cable outlets who, right now, aren't carrying NFL as a part of their service package. They aren't offering NFL channel or even local networks like Fox or CBS. This is a huge issue right now and I can't say that I see anybody actually knows where that whole thing will land, including these players. Here's what's going on there. They are talking to their agents and the agents are saying that such and such will go up such and such and so that's why we need to be asking for X, in terms of salary. The truth of that is that the Agents want their players to get the biggest payday they can because they get paid on the deal so the more, the better. Teams can't look at it that way. Agents can try to negotiate that way but teams, not so much. They have to look at it in terms of when contracts are due, who is coming due, what the cap is and what might happen as projections in years out and what the CBA may or may not agree to and how long it may take to get it passed. I mean, I get the argument from the player side but it's not as cut and dried as all of that IMO.

Besides, it's not about what they believe they are worth, it's about what Jerry is willing to pay. If these guys just flat don't want to sign, then they can play out their contracts and either leave as FAs or find trade partners for a trade. That is the real test for what their market might be.

Agree..

They can play it out and I’m fine with that., I hope they pull the offer and we get to see him play without Zeke and then we can move on..
 

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And according to Dak, what works for the team is not what the team is low-balling him with.. not sure what your point is, other than your trying to win an argument you can’t, because your feelings are hurt..

Lol...no you're trying to get out with your tail tucked because you got called on the salary cap. You have no idea what they've offered, so you don't know if it's low ball offer or not. You're lost as usual.
 

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Who said it’s 40 million? Dak’s camp
Supposedly denied it and the people that think so, argue that’s just as negotiating point. I don’t even think he’s worth 30 million..

His camp didn't deny anything, all you can go by is what he ask. If they say ok, I bet he wouldn't turn it down.
 

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First, we don't know how much actual revenue will go up. We assume that it will but it may not go up as much as we believe because TV revenue contracts will be renegotiated and that's still up in the air, at this point. That's a huge deal. You have multiple cable outlets who, right now, aren't carrying NFL as a part of their service package. They aren't offering NFL channel or even local networks like Fox or CBS. This is a huge issue right now and I can't say that I see anybody actually knows where that whole thing will land, including these players. Here's what's going on there. They are talking to their agents and the agents are saying that such and such will go up such and such and so that's why we need to be asking for X, in terms of salary. The truth of that is that the Agents want their players to get the biggest payday they can because they get paid on the deal so the more, the better. Teams can't look at it that way. Agents can try to negotiate that way but teams, not so much. They have to look at it in terms of when contracts are due, who is coming due, what the cap is and what might happen as projections in years out and what the CBA may or may not agree to and how long it may take to get it passed. I mean, I get the argument from the player side but it's not as cut and dried as all of that IMO.

Besides, it's not about what they believe they are worth, it's about what Jerry is willing to pay. If these guys just flat don't want to sign, then they can play out their contracts and either leave as FAs or find trade partners for a trade. That is the real test for what their market might be.

This is it right here. Nobody knows what the salary cap is going to do. So asking for money based on ifs and sh*** isn't going to fly with owners. Only teams with an abundance of cap space write outrageous contracts.
 

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There's no checkmate broo. You said his tatic was used in negotiations. I said it wasn't a factor, him coming down on demands was.

You said no one else ever mentioned it except Lawrence's team and the media. I showed you a quote where Stephen Jones directly addressed it during negotiations. In his quote, he mentioned it mattering. But I guess he was lying you know, because it didn't matter and all, lol. But it's okay. Lawrence lost, remember? Lol.
 

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Dak is arguing it's okay for him to get the top pay now because in a few years when other QBs get paid he will fall back down into the pack because the cap will continue to go up. This would be fine if all QBs were created equal. I agree this should happen with all the QBs in the same level. All the elite QBs should get higher contracts as time goes by. But a B level QB should NEVER jump an A level QB in salary. If Dak becomes an elite A level QB then okay, he can have the top contract when he signs. He is not that yet though so he can kick rocks if he is intent on that.

Zeke is an elite A level RB but his problem is he has TWO years left on his contract. If he tried this next year, I'd be much more sympathetic to him because RBs are not paid enough IMO. Doing this now though is way too early and so I have not much sympathy at all for him.

Cooper played like an elite WR last year IMO. I would wait to pay him like an elite WR though until he could prove it again through the first half of this next season. If he plays like he did in 2018, I personally would have no problem if they offered him a contract that paid him the most at the time.
 

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As has been stated several times, he is just doing this a year too early. Just show up, show your worth and work ethic, and it'll take care of itself from there. We know he is a great player and we know that would lead to him getting paid. Show up and be a teammate. I know teammates always stick up for each other in the media, but I wonder what they think or say behind closed doors when a teammate kind of leaves his team out to dry?
 

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Agree..

They can play it out and I’m fine with that., I hope they pull the offer and we get to see him play without Zeke and then we can move on..

Honestly, if I were Zeke, I would take the offer on the table, assuming it is really well guaranteed, and by that I mean guaranteed for something in the area of 45 mil, but with exceptions for behavior, and that it is no more then four years. That should give him the chance to get a follow on deal. I am tired of this kid acting like a fool all the time so yes, pay him and provide incentive for him to get it right but don't lock in too long term. That, to me is more then fair.

In the case of Dak, I'd give him a short term deal that pays him an average of what Wentz got and we can make it a two or three year deal on a prove it deal. If he wants to do a long term deal, then take the 30 that's on the table, so long as it has plenty of guaranteed money. I think that's fair. I think it's still too much to pay for him but if that's what has been offered, then far be it from me to go against what Jerry and Stephen have already put on the table. If he wants to play out his contract and try and hit FA, I'd offer to trade him, so long as the deal is a good one, in terms of returns. If we don't get a fair offer for him, then tag him and force somebody who really wants him to actually pay the price. No reason why we should not benefit from what he might provide to another team. If nobody steps up, then we see that his market value is not what he thought it would be. A lot of folks might be tempted to lower the deal if that should play out but I would simply have him sign the deal that was always on the table.

JMO
 
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