Would any other team in the NFL give Prescott 35 million?

OmerV · Aug 21, 2019

rnr_honeybadger said:
I agree, Dak is what he is largely due to what is around him. It works because of the run game, the O-Line, the WR's and even the Defense.

Yeah, yeah .... every successful QB other than Dak plays with a weak lineup and has to carry the team on his back ....

The reality is, outside of Brady, Brees and possibly Rogers, that’s not really how it works, and none of them are really devoid of talent around them.

I assume you weren’t aware Wentz played with an All Pro Center, a Pro Bowl OT and OG, one of the elite TEs in the NFL, and Jeffreys and Agahlor aren’t exactly slouches. And then there is the fact that in the SB season - 2017 - the Eagles had the 3rd best running game in the NFL.

TwoCentPlain · Aug 21, 2019

Little Jr said:
It's hard to say but when Jimmy G got 27.5m to make him the highest paid, Cousins got 28m to make him the highest paid, Carr got 25m to make him the highest paid, a guy like Bradford got paid every where he went, over paid and draft picks given up for him, I would say it is very possible that a team would pay Dak 35m.

Jimmy G, Carr, Cousins, and Bradford are all mistakes the teams regret in hindsight. They paid market price for fatty tuna and got yellowfin tuna.

My guess is that Seattle is going to be drafting high, real high next year. Wilson and Wagner account for 30% of the cap and the rest of the team is so-so. They may have some serious buyer's remorse.

Paying a few payers ridiculous amounts of money just takes money from other players. The team needs those other players.

rnr_honeybadger · Aug 21, 2019

OmerV said:
Yeah, yeah .... every successful QB other than Dak plays with a weak lineup and has to carry the team on his back ....

The reality is, outside of Brady, Brees and possibly Rogers, that’s not really how it works, and none of them are really devoid of talent around them.

I assume you weren’t aware Wentz played with an All Pro Center, a Pro Bowl OT and OG, one of the elite TEs in the NFL, and Jeffreys and Agahlor aren’t exactly slouches. And then there is the fact that in the SB season - 2017 - the Eagles had the 3rd best running game in the NFL.

I didn't say this. However, Brees and Brady have managed to play at a high level with less. That is the difference. Russel Wilson in Seattle in the last few years has had virtually no O-Line and was able to win a SB where his best receiver was Doug Baldwin. Yea, they had weapons but the difference is that Dak needs more support around him than the elite top 5 guys. That isn't hating on Dak, that is merely recognizing the fact that where he is at today is where he needs a lot of help.

Little Jr · Aug 21, 2019

ninja said:
Jimmy G, Carr, Cousins, and Bradford are all mistakes the teams regret in hindsight. They paid market price for fatty tuna and got yellowfin tuna.

My guess is that Seattle is going to be drafting high, real high next year. Wilson and Wagner account for 30% of the cap and the rest of the team is so-so. They may have some serious buyer's remorse.

Paying a few payers ridiculous amounts of money just takes money from other players. The team needs those other players.

The question was, would anyone pay Dak 35m. I showed teams who paid top $ for qbs who weren't top at QB. Dumb or not, they did. So to think no one would for Dak isn't logical.

Sea won't have buyers remorse. Those guy's take up 28% of this years cap and 26% of next years cap, so and so on. They have 60m in cap space next year and still have 20m this year.

Pantone282C · Aug 21, 2019

Whyjerry said:
No.

It's an absurd figure for not accomplishing more. There are way too many QBs getting paid for promises and partial feats. Not sure how his agent really feels, but my guess is it's a bargaining ploy - go high and then come down.

gjkoeppen · Aug 21, 2019

Whyjerry said:
Are you on the pipe? I am a Dak supporter. You don’t need to sell me. Here is the reality though Dak > Wentz is the minority opinion. By a lot. He is not getting paid more than Wentz. Perhaps the the contract is longer or a little more guaranteed money but overall annual comp, not going to happen. If you think otherwise you are sadly mistaken.

You obviously missed the first 2 points I made. AGAIN, Wentz hasn't played an ENTIRE SEASON YET and it doesn't matter how good a player is if he not on the field. Now for all the people that think Wentz is better than Prescott also have a hard time with the fact that by and large Prescott's stats are better than Wentz. Does that make Prescott the better QB, not just on that, but when you add in that Prescott hasn't missed a game makes a person think. We Cowboys fans have gone through the same dilemma with Sean Lee. Really good LB but has had a problem staying healthy his entire career. In 8 seasons he hasn't played an entire season yet.

So no matter what you or I think Prescott should and will get paid, to disregard Prescott's record, stats and always playing is a case of you may be on a pipe if you think it's impossible for him to be paid the same as Wentz. As far as you put it that Prescott made get a little more guaranteed money and a longer contract, most players are looking for as much guaranteed money as they can get so you're kinda of arguing against your own thought.
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basel90 · Aug 22, 2019

25- 27 mil is his worth at best ...

Bullflop · Aug 22, 2019

This OP seems to suggest that Dallas is about to award Dak a $35 million dollar contract!

The fact remains that Dallas hasn't done so, as yet! Is anyone assuming that they will?

That seems to be a conundrum at this point in time. What is to happen is yet to be proven.

Verdict · Aug 22, 2019

I’m really not sure what Dak might fetch on the open market if he became a free agent. I think it would surprise some of you. If he plays well this year and the cap goes up again $32 M (equal to Wentz deal) might end up looking like a bargain.

Bullflop · Aug 22, 2019

Ranching said:
34.9, maybe but no way in hell would they give him 35.

Yep, now that, right there, is exactly what I like about you, Ranching!!

You may be lots of things but accuracy is definitely your strong point!

Whyjerry · Aug 22, 2019

Pantone282C said:
It's an absurd figure for not accomplishing more. There are way too many QBs getting paid for promises and partial feats. Not sure how his agent really feels, but my guess is it's a bargaining ploy - go high and then come down.

Matt Stafford

davidariust24 · Aug 22, 2019

D4KADON said:
honest question

Maybe the dolphins. They always overpay.

ABQCOWBOY · Aug 22, 2019

OmerV said:
Of course contracts are not exactly as the headlines make them to be, and there are factors like guaranteed amounts and bonus money etc, but media headlines don't change the fact that a player's value is what teams are willing to pay. That's what sets value, not a fan on the internet coming up with contract terms he personally thinks a team should offer or a player should accept.

Some fans end up thinking, and maybe you are too, that while the contract another player signs may not end up being the full amount because not all years and money are guaranteed, fans here are thinking it will work differently with Dak. But people aren't suggesting that. Other than the one guy started the one thread suggesting we give Dak a fully guaranteed contract, I haven't seen anyone else suggest Dak's contract would be any different than others, with a limit on the guaranteed years and money. That one poster got scoffed at pretty much across the board.

Bottom line, if Dak doesn't like the 30 offer, I think the team should let him play out the deal. Let him make the 2.8 mil this year and then use the tag on him. Let him go find a team that will pay him the 35 or 40 he wants and will also pay the picks it will take. I'd be OK with that. I'm not afraid to go out and draft another QB or bring in a Vet how has some talent and will play for 27.

CPanther95 · Aug 22, 2019

There might be other teams that if in the same QB situation as Dallas would pay $35M to keep him, but none would pay that to get him.

OmerV · Aug 22, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
Bottom line, if Dak doesn't like the 30 offer, I think the team should let him play out the deal. Let him make the 2.8 mil this year and then use the tag on him. Let him go find a team that will pay him the 35 or 40 he wants and will also pay the picks it will take. I'd be OK with that. I'm not afraid to go out and draft another QB or bring in a Vet how has some talent and will play for 27.

It's clearly your right to that opinion, and I can't say that I haven't considered the same thing. But I will say it's not as easy to go find a replacement as some fans think. The Cowboys are unlikely to have a high draft pick in the next year or two, which makes it harder to find a quality replacement, plus, even with high picks, there are more Blaine Gabbert and Jake Locker level players that come from it than there are Pat Mohomes level players. And there aren't going to be that many quality veterans - look around and make note of top team that are winning with a free agent pick up at QB. That's pretty limited. And even if a top level free agent is available, the competition for him would likely run up the price to the level we are balking at now - which is why teams generally go ahead and pay what it takes to keep their high quality QB's.

ABQCOWBOY · Aug 22, 2019

OmerV said:
It's clearly your right to that opinion, and I can't say that I haven't considered the same thing. But I will say it's not as easy to go find a replacement as some fans think. The Cowboys are unlikely to have a high draft pick in the next year or two, which makes it harder to find a quality replacement, plus, even with high picks, there are more Blaine Gabbert and Jake Locker level players that come from it than there are Pat Mohomes level players. And there aren't going to be that many quality veterans - look around and make note of top team that are winning with a free agent pick up at QB. That's pretty limited. And even if a top level free agent is available, the competition for him would likely run up the price to the level we are balking at now - which is why teams generally go ahead and pay what it takes to keep their high quality QB's.

Personally, I don't think it's as hard to pick QBs as it's made out to be. I mean, if you look back at the Quincy years, that was not a situation that occurred because we couldn't judge talent. It happened as a direct result of not managing the cap. We knew who the good QBs were. We just didn't have the resources to go out and get one. This is what over spending on the cap gets you but people seem to forget that. Quincy was here because we didn't have the draft picks and we didn't have the money to get a real QB. Teams draft QBs and then put them in situations where they can only fail. I mean, it's stupid to watch a lot of times. I look at a team like the Cards and I think that's exactly what they have done. They did it when they drafted Rosen and I think they have done it again with Murray. I've seen it time and time again in the NFL. I feel like the Cowboys are in a great place right now with their roster, in terms of talent. I believe that if the Cowboys brought in a Vet with some talent, he could do very well with this team. A guy like Foles or Carr or several others, could challenge for a championship IMO. A stud that could be your cornerstone Franchise guy could lead you to a Dynasty run. The hard part is putting a team in place to be able to allow a young QB, or any QB really, to have a shot at success. Most times, teams are bringing in QBs because they are in a desperate situation. They are looking for a savior or they have lost their starter to injury and are forced to scrap the bottom of the barrel in hopes of finding somebody. That's not us. If we decided to move on, trust me when I say that there would be a lot of interest from QBs who are available, to come to Dallas. Virtually any QB in the league would want to come to Dallas to play. Look at how Pittsburgh did it when they drafted Ruthlessraper. He came into a situation where the Steelers were solid top to bottom. What did he do? Two Super Bowls in his first four years. I am not afraid of having to go out and draft a QB. I think that there are several in this next draft that could become really good QBs in the right situation and we have that right now, in Dallas. The cap we save if we go that way sets this teams core for years and likely allows us to compete for multiple championship runs. We could go out and sign an experienced FA. We could draft a Franchise guy next year. I am not afraid of moving on from Dak because I know that the foundation of this team is good enough that a reasonably talented QB can compete for a championship right now.

That's what I believe.

OmerV · Aug 22, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
Personally, I don't think it's as hard to pick QBs as it's made out to be. I mean, if you look back at the Quincy years, that was not a situation that occurred because we couldn't judge talent. It happened as a direct result of not managing the cap. We knew who the good QBs were. We just didn't have the resources to go out and get one. This is what over spending on the cap gets you but people seem to forget that. Quincy was here because we didn't have the draft picks and we didn't have the money to get a real QB. Teams draft QBs and then put them in situations where they can only fail. I mean, it's stupid to watch a lot of times. I look at a team like the Cards and I think that's exactly what they have done. They did it when they drafted Rosen and I think they have done it again with Murray. I've seen it time and time again in the NFL. I feel like the Cowboys are in a great place right now with their roster, in terms of talent. I believe that if the Cowboys brought in a Vet with some talent, he could do very well with this team. A guy like Foles or Carr or several others, could challenge for a championship IMO. A stud that could be your cornerstone Franchise guy could lead you to a Dynasty run. The hard part is putting a team in place to be able to allow a young QB, or any QB really, to have a shot at success. Most times, teams are bringing in QBs because they are in a desperate situation. They are looking for a savior or they have lost their starter to injury and are forced to scrap the bottom of the barrel in hopes of finding somebody. That's not us. If we decided to move on, trust me when I say that there would be a lot of interest from QBs who are available, to come to Dallas. Virtually any QB in the league would want to come to Dallas to play. Look at how Pittsburgh did it when they drafted Ruthlessraper. He came into a situation where the Steelers were solid top to bottom. What did he do? Two Super Bowls in his first four years. I am not afraid of having to go out and draft a QB. I think that there are several in this next draft that could become really good QBs in the right situation and we have that right now, in Dallas. The cap we save if we go that way sets this teams core for years and likely allows us to compete for multiple championship runs. We could go out and sign an experienced FA. We could draft a Franchise guy next year. I am not afraid of moving on from Dak because I know that the foundation of this team is good enough that a reasonably talented QB can compete for a championship right now.

That's what I believe.

A piece of evidence I would point to is that not every team has a quality QB. I'm not talking about elite, I'm just talking about a quality QB. If it were that easy to find them, 9-10 teams wouldn't be lacking one.

Another piece of evidence is the skyrocketing cost of QBs, which is a result of supply and demand. If the supply was that great the prices wouldn't be as high as they are.

I would also point to what I said about there being more Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert level players that get drafted in the 1st round than there are Pat Mahomes level players. In another thread I listed something like 15 1st round QBs over the decade from 2007-2016, many top 10 picks, that failed. I didn't included 2017-2018 because it's too soon to determine success or failure with them. And, over course, when drafting a QB later than the 1st round, the odds of getting a dud are considerably higher.

How many QBs did Cleveland draft before finally getting a good one in Mayfield? Seems like they drafted one in the first round every 2-3 years for 10-12 years - some at or near the top of the 1st round. The 49ers were desperate enough to make a guy with only 2 career starts one of the highest paid players in the NFL. The Bears floundered at QB for many years before Trubisky, and the jury is still out on him. Mariota looks like a dud and is leaving the Titans with a weakness at QB that has existed for many years. The Dolphins haven't had a top QB since Dan Marino. Before Cousins the Vikings hadn't had a quality QB since Brett Favre in 2010. Denver has been struggling at the position, as have the Bills and Jets. Other teams that have a quality starter now had smaller gaps of 2-5 years between the current QB and the previous quality one.

In short, it's a lot more hit or miss than some want to believe.

ABQCOWBOY · Aug 22, 2019

OmerV said:
A piece of evidence I would point to is that not every team has a quality QB. I'm not talking about elite, I'm just talking about a quality QB. If it were that easy to find them, 9-10 teams wouldn't be lacking one.

Another piece of evidence is the skyrocketing cost of QBs, which is a result of supply and demand. If the supply was that great the prices wouldn't be as high as they are.

I would also point to what I said about there being more Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert level players that get drafted in the 1st round than there are Pat Mahomes level players. In another thread I listed something like 15 1st round QBs over the decade from 2007-2016, many top 10 picks, that failed. I didn't included 2017-2018 because it's too soon to determine success or failure with them. And, over course, when drafting a QB later than the 1st round, the odds of getting a dud are considerably higher.

How many QBs did Cleveland draft before finally getting a godo one in Mayfield? Seems like they drafted one in the first round - some at or near the top of the 1st round - every 2-3 years for 10-12 years. The 49ers were desperate enough to make a guy with only 2 career starts one of the highest paid players in the NFL. The Bears floundered at QB for many years before Trubisky, and the jury is still out on him. Mariota looks like a dud and is leaving the Titans with a weakness at QB that has existed for many years. The Dolphins haven't had a top QB since Dan Marino. Before Cousins the Vikings hadn't had a quality QB since Brett Favre in 2010. Denver has been struggling at the position, as have the Bills and Jets. Other teams that have a quality starter now had smaller gaps of 2-5 years between the current QB and the previous quality one.

In short, it's a lot more hit or miss than some want to believe.

You are mixing and matching here. You said that it's hard to find a QB. I said that I don't believe it is, that it's often the situation you put them in. If the Cowboys tag Dak and he signs elsewhere, that gives the Cowboys three 1st round picks. That's enough to move up to get one of the QBs available next year. The problem is being in a position to take the talent at QB, it's not figuring out who has talent IMO. This proves nothing to me.

75boyz · Aug 22, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
Personally, I don't think it's as hard to pick QBs as it's made out to be. I mean, if you look back at the Quincy years, that was not a situation that occurred because we couldn't judge talent. It happened as a direct result of not managing the cap. We knew who the good QBs were. We just didn't have the resources to go out and get one. This is what over spending on the cap gets you but people seem to forget that. Quincy was here because we didn't have the draft picks and we didn't have the money to get a real QB. Teams draft QBs and then put them in situations where they can only fail. I mean, it's stupid to watch a lot of times. I look at a team like the Cards and I think that's exactly what they have done. They did it when they drafted Rosen and I think they have done it again with Murray. I've seen it time and time again in the NFL. I feel like the Cowboys are in a great place right now with their roster, in terms of talent. I believe that if the Cowboys brought in a Vet with some talent, he could do very well with this team. A guy like Foles or Carr or several others, could challenge for a championship IMO. A stud that could be your cornerstone Franchise guy could lead you to a Dynasty run. The hard part is putting a team in place to be able to allow a young QB, or any QB really, to have a shot at success. Most times, teams are bringing in QBs because they are in a desperate situation. They are looking for a savior or they have lost their starter to injury and are forced to scrap the bottom of the barrel in hopes of finding somebody. That's not us. If we decided to move on, trust me when I say that there would be a lot of interest from QBs who are available, to come to Dallas. Virtually any QB in the league would want to come to Dallas to play. Look at how Pittsburgh did it when they drafted Ruthlessraper. He came into a situation where the Steelers were solid top to bottom. What did he do? Two Super Bowls in his first four years. I am not afraid of having to go out and draft a QB. I think that there are several in this next draft that could become really good QBs in the right situation and we have that right now, in Dallas. The cap we save if we go that way sets this teams core for years and likely allows us to compete for multiple championship runs. We could go out and sign an experienced FA. We could draft a Franchise guy next year. I am not afraid of moving on from Dak because I know that the foundation of this team is good enough that a reasonably talented QB can compete for a championship right now.

That's what I believe.

Really well explained and I share your exact beliefs. Excellent post.

ABQCOWBOY · Aug 22, 2019

75boyz said:
Really well explained and I share your exact beliefs. Excellent post.

Thank you, it's not often I am coherent but my moments of clarity come every once in a blue moon!

:laugh:

Would any other team in the NFL give Prescott 35 million?

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