Can Dak break into Elite QB Tier?

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Whirlwin said:
First of all what is an elite quarterback in today's game. This is more of a team sport than ever. I don't care about that so-called status. Can he be a top 10 quarterback absolutely
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but Dak lovers keep saying, Dak has 32 wins.....more than anybody else, etc..... so is it a team thing? or is the Wins due to Dak. I am all confused now. :huh:
 
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I’d be ecstatic if he moves from 17 to 7 but I’ll settle for Top 10...
 

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CowboyRoy said:
Elite QB's are in elite offensive systems with elite offensive coaches. Now if that ever happens here in Dallas, I still dont think Dak will ever be an elite passing QB. He has plenty of elite traits, but I dont see him every being a guy that is going to pass for 5000 yards and 40 TD's. Then again, he doesnt need to be.
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what's an elite offensive system? even Moore, Dak, say the routes, the plays are the same....I agree with the elite offensive coaches, more specifically elite play callers. it comes down to the combination of routes, personnel, presnap movements and combination of plays that makes the difference. outside of that most of them is the same...we will see the same Garrett offensive plays, but they will look different because Moore will use different combinations together to create opennings. we will see pre-snap motion to create mismatches. once the play starts, its the same....
 

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Blackrain said:
I don't give a flying spit what label or category people put Dak in . He flatout gives me good football to watch and wins games . He plays the kind of smash mouth football I like to watch .
He isn't obsessed with making every play with his arm and accumulating stats . He uses all his tools and intangibles that don't show up on the stat sheet to win . Considering the amount of preparation we did to be ready for the end of Romos career we are very luck to have a player like Dak that is still progressing but taking us to the playoffs

Dak is certainly one of the elite from his draft class , Elite at winning . Elite at being available . and when he and Gallup are done this year he is going to have some elite stats with or without Zeke . The handful of missed plays last year are going to turn into game winners this year .

Tony Romo was an Elite Passer and arguably an elite QB at the END OF HIS CAREER . It got him a couple playoff wins and a great job in the booth. Dak Prescott at present is an average passer that is still improving but an ELITE football player in the mold of Steve Young and Roger Staubach . Im betting on being a great football player gets us farther than just being a great QB
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so I guess to fit your narrative, you are changing the definition of Elite. I assume, Dilfer is elite, because he won a lot of games including a blowout superbowl? no?
 
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As long as they don't pay him $30+ million a year, they can perhaps find a championship solution with him at QB. The guy is loaded with intangibles.

But pay him like he's elite, and this thing will begin to disintegrate slowly.
 
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I have been a dak critic in the past. I am not a Dak Lover nor a Dak Fanatic. I am a cowboy fanatic. With that said, I fully expect him to improve this year. a lot of his problems in the past were probably due to he not trusting himself, mostly because of his bad mechanics. He didn't trust himself to make certain throws thus the check downs that's what made him a safe, no risk QB.... or wait for a wide open WRs to make throws, that's why Cooper was such a perfect fit for him (yes, yes yes, the Dak Lovers will respond with the tight window stat).

but with improved mechanics, he should trust himself more, plus Kitna is in his ear, telling him to rip it. so I fully expect him to take more shots down field and more importantly middle of the field (his safe nature of throwing to the outside so if you miss, its out of bounce or throw short and dump). we see a little bit better mechanics already. Stories are that he is also seeing the field better, and now actually looking for the plays developing downfield as he is dropping back, which should also help him with making throws and avoiding sacks as he tended to hold the ball too long. his pocket awareness still needs work, but perhaps, improvements in these other areas, will help improve his game over all....

I don't expect a mahomes like season. that's hard to duplicate. its not his nature. will he ever? who knows, but small steps.
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Do you really think that opposing DC will not be doubling Coop?
And does Dak has the arm to take advantage of the single cov on Gallup and Witten?
So far he has been unable to gut out single coverage's just refer back to last years shut out vs the Colts....
 
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CowboyRoy said:
You cant be that bad at analysis. Are you actually implying that Linehan's 3, 8 yard comeback route offense was designed because that is all Dak could throw?
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Could of been a lot of things that had to be scaled back for Dak, this year should tell the tale one way or the other. We will see if it was Linehan or Dak that was the big problem.
 
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1 sack away from leading the nfl and we dont have anywhere close to a scrub oline, s9 save me that excuse we had backups (so did everyone else), leads league in fumbles, and consistently waits for targets to get open before throwing.

Sure he can be elite if he can fix all those issues, just as any other QB who's average like him and is given enough time in the right system.
 

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PAPPYDOG said:
Do you really think that opposing DC will not be doubling Coop?
And does Dak has the arm to take advantage of the single cov on Gallup and Witten?
So far he has been unable to gut out single coverage's just refer back to last years shut out vs the Colts....
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they will, that's where pre-snap movements come in. Coop in Dallas was new thing last year and thus, novelty. like you said, one year of tape, one summer of tape review and they will be ready, so yes, Dak has to make it work and utilize gallup and witten.
 
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CowboysFaninHouston said:
so I guess to fit your narrative, you are changing the definition of Elite. I assume, Dilfer is elite, because he won a lot of games including a blowout superbowl? no?
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Winning a SB is the goal, stats don't always show whats necessary to do that and every situation is different but he was obviously elite enough that year to get his team a ring .

If Dak got us to a SB ran 2 scores in and we won while having mediocre passing game but no INTs . Would that be elite enough or would there be a couple other hoops he had to jump through first . Everyone has there own definition of elite I really don't care for the term .

I go by how I feel when Im watching the guy . Is he giving me good football to watch and finishing games or is he compiling stats and leaving me with a loss and a bad taste in my mouth
Do I have to constantly worry he is going to get hurt, throw an Int at the worst time . constantly force balls where they shouldn't go because he wont give up on a play . Or do I have a guy who takes care of the ball is in great physical shape dosent force things when the play breaks down and can run through would be tacklers like Jim Brown.

Bottom Line Dak may not have the stats to be considered Elite but he has all the intangibles to win this franchise a championship if Jerry ever assembles a great coaching staff .

A Championship is all that matters in the end
 
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Streetwise said:
You sound like a 7 year old calling fans "Dak lover" over and over and over. What is so horrible about giving the guy some props?
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Apparently, He has been victimized by “Dak lovers”. It seems to be a trigger for him.
 
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CowboysFaninHouston said:
yes. that's the point. but Dak lovers, attribute it all to dak, all the time..
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How about we are Cowboy Lovers and we love the fact that since we did NO PREPARATION for the end of the Romo era . We got lucky and landed a guy in the 4th round who although not perfect is taking us to the playoffs while perfecting his game .

Dak is giving us great football to watch at very reasonable price SO FAR. This has allowed us to build a TEAM . As Cowboy fans many of us love that . We now have a freaking team that is not totally and completely dependent on one guy with health issues . So maybe some of us are all in and can see the intangibles Dak brings to the team that we were missing before .

If that makes us Lovers Label us as you will we will still be lovers when he takes us farther than we have gone in the last 25 yrs If we had a coaching staff we would have been there by now
 
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Brax said:
Could of been a lot of things that had to be scaled back for Dak, this year should tell the tale one way or the other. We will see if it was Linehan or Dak that was the big problem.
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I would argue that any offense to some degree is going to be scaled back for a QB in his first few years. That being said, even with Romo Garretts offense was conservative and boring. It was NEVER a quick strike, aggressive offense.
 

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Streetwise said:
You sound like a 7 year old calling fans "Dak lover" over and over and over. What is so horrible about giving the guy some props?
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there is a difference between giving someone props, which I have given Dak props before. there is the fawning over like a teenage girl over Dak, acting like he is so dreamy.....

hmm, you are sounding like a ...
 

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Blackrain said:
Winning a SB is the goal, stats don't always show whats necessary to do that and every situation is different but he was obviously elite enough that year to get his team a ring .

If Dak got us to a SB ran 2 scores in and we won while having mediocre passing game but no INTs . Would that be elite enough or would there be a couple other hoops he had to jump through first . Everyone has there own definition of elite I really don't care for the term .

I go by how I feel when Im watching the guy . Is he giving me good football to watch and finishing games or is he compiling stats and leaving me with a loss and a bad taste in my mouth
Do I have to constantly worry he is going to get hurt, throw an Int at the worst time . constantly force balls where they shouldn't go because he wont give up on a play . Or do I have a guy who takes care of the ball is in great physical shape dosent force things when the play breaks down and can run through would be tacklers like Jim Brown.

Bottom Line Dak may not have the stats to be considered Elite but he has all the intangibles to win this franchise a championship if Jerry ever assembles a great coaching staff .

A Championship is all that matters in the end
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one, the year Dilfer won the superbowl, their defense I believe averaged giving up less than 10 points...

if Dak did that in a superbowl, I wouldnt' call him elite, I would cheer and scream and celebrate, but not elite.

is he enjoyable to watch? heck yes. that doesn't mean he is elite. Does he have some intangibles that gives us a chance? he does and that's fun to watch.

just because I don't all him elite, doesn't mean I think he is bad. and you have to separate the two. a good or really good QB, can win a superbowl. there are plenty of those as well. nothing wrong with that.
 
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