Twitter: Cowboys Make New Offer To Elliott

CowboyRoy · Aug 22, 2019

bodi said:
i never said a thing about our poor QB just that we will never get to the big show with him as our QB

to inconsistent

Ah, so its just a lack understanding of young QB's and their natural inconsistencies?

Roland · Aug 22, 2019

Corso said:
So... Stevie comes out and says we're gong to start at Gurley money and then doesn't?
I mean, the most recent offer is still below Gurley money?
Meaning they probably started way below Gurley money?
I'm not even saying I want Zeke paid like that, but that's crap business practice right there.

Just my 2 cents, but everyone keeps going back to comment about Gurley money. To me, that doesn't automatically mean the negotiating numbers started there. Perhaps Steven meant to imply that what Gurley got would factor into the conversation. Does that make sense? You could say, yes, Gurley got this, but you are one strike away from ever playing again, so we will start our negotiate lower than what he got.

CowboyRoy · Aug 22, 2019

aikemirv said:
Troll- you call everyone who does not bow to Daks feet a troll - that is not the definition!

No, its not that, its the laughable, untrue statements and made up nonsense that only a troll fan of another team would make up.

jazzcat22 · Aug 22, 2019

JayFord said:
But what do they constitute as dumb?

Does he lose money if he hangs his butt out the window and poop like a bird?

Only if it hits Jerry. But if it hits Goodell or Mara then he gets a $1 million bonus.

aaev84 · Aug 22, 2019

Texas_Pete said:
He should take it. Texas has no state taxes, California does. I'd be curious to see the numbers, but I'd bet it is really really close. Couple that with incentives, it may even exceed TG's deal.

California has one of the highest of not the highest state tax. I think its 13%. Good point.

Stash · Aug 22, 2019

CATCH17 said:
Zeke is lucky they are willing to do this at all.

I disagree with him being paid like that when they have him for 2 more seasons plus a franchise tag if they want it.

I disagree with this strategy as well. It's overpaying for a position that shouldn't be overpaid, and it sets a bad precident for other players wanting to get paid early.

jazzcat22 · Aug 22, 2019

cern said:
Wake me when it's over.

Wake up, it’s over, just not officially signed yet. :muttley:

jazzcat22 · Aug 22, 2019

GMO415 said:
Yawn. Let me know when he arrives ready to play

But yet here you are responding to Zeke threads. :laugh:

WillieBeamen · Aug 22, 2019

Sydla said:
Gurley’s contact is an outlier. Thomas is just being pro-player. Rams are already having some heart palpitations on Gurley’s contract.

There isn’t a team in football thought would give Elliott more than 45 million guaranteed.

Bell is an elite TB himself and he was a FA after Gurley signed and he didn’t even sniff the same contract Gurley got.

Yea and um, you are leaving out the fact that Bell was 27 when he signed his deal, while Gurley was only 24...

bsbellomy · Aug 22, 2019

aikemirv said:
I guess Irvin was just hoodwinked by Jerry then since he picked him for his HOF introduction!

Irvin is just a Cowboys lifer/homer. There aren't any other former players singing Jerry's praises.

Sydla · Aug 22, 2019

WillieBeamen said:
Yea and um, you are leaving out the fact that Bell was 27 when he signed his deal, while Gurley was only 24...

Hardly a huge difference and Bell has less wear and tear on him given he sat out a ton of games. But if we are going to play this game, Zeke has way more off the field issues than Gurley too. So factor it all in.

Even taking into account age, there is an 18MM difference in guaranteed money. That’s massive.

I stand by what I said. I don’t think there is a team in football that would give Zeke more guaranteed money than Gurley. Not even Oakland.

PUSHfold · Aug 22, 2019

bsbellomy said:
Get over it. Jerry's only loyalty lies in what you can do for him. You think he gives one flying bleep about Zeke or Gregory as people? He just wants Zeke to keep scoring TDs and Gregory to keep getting sacks.

This "loyalty" is only an illusion that only exists because Zeke is a great football player.

While that might be somewhat true Jerry's done a lot for his players after their careers have been over whether it's been involving them in business deals or whatever. This is our opinions but I think you're wrong, I think Jerry does care about his players as people.

Hadenough · Aug 22, 2019

This is ridiculous! Just pay him 15 mil a year for 4 years and make a 60 mil contract with 45 guaranteed. 15 mil a year is cheap for a guy as productive as Zeke is.

Stash · Aug 22, 2019

Sydla said:
Who knows if the report is true, but let's assume it is.

I have no doubt Elliott wants to exceed what Gurley got, but at some point teams have to push back on what are outlier contracts. If you look at TB contracts, there is a clear outlier here - Gurley. His practical guaranteed monies are outrageous relative to other TBs, especially Bell's.

There is no freaking way the Cowboys should exceed what Gurley got.

Exactly. That deal screwed up the market for the entire league.

Oh, and what did agreeing to that Bell contract get for the GM that signed it?

The Rams would get out of the Gurley deal yesterday if they could, but because of the guaranteed money, they're stuck. And that's why they used one of their few picks on a running back insurance policy.

Why would anyone want to follow in the footsteps of the Rams and Jets' mistakes?

jazzcat22 · Aug 22, 2019

Idgit said:
One thing that gets lost in talking about the outstanding Cowboys contracts is the fact that we're not really players in veteran free agency. If we're able to sign and develop our own and don't have to pay the actual free market rate for our core players--because that's where the real premiums are paid out--we should be able to pay our own tier 2 players competitively. We'll lose a few guys like La'el Collins or Hitchens, and we'll be able to replace those guys with draft picks at the top of the draft as there won't really be that many holes in the roster in any given season. That's worked ok so far with the OL contracts we've done. We just need to hold our water.

We do need to sign one of Dak or Cooper before the deadline, though. I don't want to go into next year with only one tag and both of those guys hanging out. Which is why Amari is happy to sit tight right now. He has a big year, Dak gets the tag, and he's a free agent and will make a killing. If we get Dak done, and if Julio Jones extends, then Cooper's agents should finally be willing to talk. Before that happens, though, they have no incentive to deal. Dak's representation, too, understands that they have leverage there, too, since the team needs to get either Dak or Cooper done to have the tag to use on the other next year. The team should have to pay Dak to get that leverage over Cooper, and I'm sure they don't really want to pay a premium for that.

This has been the way GB and Pittsburgh, and even NE to a degree been doing it for years. Build through the draft and keep your own.
Too bad it took Jerry too long to figure that out with all the trades and deals and high price FA’s that did not work out.
They finally have it under control over the past 4 years or so.

Sydla · Aug 22, 2019

stasheroo said:
Exactly. That deal screwed up the market for the entire league.

Oh, and what did agreeing to that Bell contract get for the GM that signed it?

The Rams would get out of the Gurley deal yesterday if they could, but because of the guaranteed money, they're stuck. And that's why they used one of their few picks on a running back insurance policy.

Why would anyone want to follow in the footsteps of the Rams and Jets' mistakes?

The logic here for some is basically because the Rams made a mistake we are obligated to now exceed their mistake.

That’s bizarre.

GMO415 · Aug 22, 2019

jazzcat22 said:
But yet here you are responding to Zeke threads.

Every counter offer doesn't need a thread.

WillieBeamen · Aug 22, 2019

Sydla said:
Hardly a huge difference and Bell has less wear and tear on him given he sat out a ton of games. But if we are going to play this game, Zeke has way more off the field issues than Gurley too. So factor it all in.

Even taking into account age, there is an 18MM difference in guaranteed money. That’s massive.

I stand by what I said. I don’t think there is a team in football that would give Zeke more guaranteed money than Gurley. Not even Oakland.

3 years for a Tailback is hardly a huge difference? LMAO

Less wear and tear? Bell has over 1600 touches in his career (not including playoffs), while Gurley only had 900 when he signed his deal

Praxit · Aug 22, 2019

..I would gamble it, and let the season begin. Ride the first 3 games with Pollard. Its still a gamble either way. The winners curse still exists. ..

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CATCH17 · Aug 22, 2019

stasheroo said:
I disagree with this strategy as well. It's overpaying for a position that shouldn't be overpaid, and it sets a bad precident for other players wanting to get paid early.

I hope it’s like Jaylons contract in that he still finishes his rookie deal and then the new money kicks in after 2 more seasons and this turns into a long term bargain for us.

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