How the NFL could prevent a lot of these hold outs

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Well explained @Reality .

I honestly think it's a huge mistake the Cowboys did caving in to Zeke's top pay demands even though he's still under contract for 2 more years. Now other players are going to start doing it. I believe this is going to cause a big problem for the Cowboys and the rest of the league if other players from other teams start following Zeke's lead, seeing how the Cowboys caved in to his demands.
 

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Rookie contracts and all contracts should come with an out clause for both parties at or around 3 years with options to renegotiate.

They really need to do away with long term crippling contracts because it hurts both parties. Sometimes the player has significantly improved and is worth more money and sometimes they decline and cap strap the team. It works both ways. There’s also this thing called inflation but I know it doesn’t apply to millionaires.

Zeke isn’t the first star athlete to holdout and he definitely won’t be the last if this continues.

How many times have we heard how people in the music industry get hosed over their first record deal? Countless.

I don’t blame Zeke for holding out, his body is taking a beating and he’s carrying a huge part of the workload.

Thou shalt Not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn!! Just sayin
 

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I agree that in the new CBA, the owners should be very focused on resolving the holdout issues.

The rookie cap rules instantly resolved almost all rookie holdout issues.

My suggestions:
Ban teams from giving out new contracts during the season.

- There would be no point to hold out during the season if there is zero possibility of getting a new contract.

Require players to complete 4 years before they can sign a new contract.
- The current rules require 3 years to be completed.

If they're going to have the 5th year option for 1st round picks, then just sign all players to 5 year contracts.
- The 5th year option seems to have an emotional connotation for players similar to the Franchise Tag.
I just hope there isn't a strike.
 

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Have Goodell arbitrarily decide each player’s worth like he does now with suspensions. For example, Goodell says Zeke is worth $8 million per year so Dallas has to pay that to keep him.
 

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Rookie contracts and all contracts should come with an out clause for both parties at or around 3 years with options to renegotiate.

They really need to do away with long term crippling contracts because it hurts both parties. Sometimes the player has significantly improved and is worth more money and sometimes they decline and cap strap the team. It works both ways. There’s also this thing called inflation but I know it doesn’t apply to millionaires.

Zeke isn’t the first star athlete to holdout and he definitely won’t be the last if this continues.

How many times have we heard how people in the music industry get hosed over their first record deal? Countless.

I don’t blame Zeke for holding out, his body is taking a beating and he’s carrying a huge part of the workload.

Thou shalt Not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn!! Just sayin
The issue as I see it is with the codified nature of the rookie contracts. For follow-on contracts, the length of the contract represents a balance between the player's desire for more security and the team's desire to manage risk. But the rookie contracts are divorced from any such balance: they're too long at too low a level for the league's top talents.

So I agree with you on rookie contracts but not on the others.
 

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The problem with all this is real simple:

These current players aren't happy with the last bargaining agreement that was MADE & ratified


It's directly on the players...... Whoever agreed to the current structure needs a good kick to the shins

The problem with this is that 95% of the players that voted for the last bargaining agreement are no longer active. Current players, once past the “I’m in the NFL” then learn about the structure and limits, and are not happy. We’ll see if the current players are prepared to go without paychecks for what might need to be an extended period.
 

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Have Goodell arbitrarily decide each player’s worth like he does now with suspensions. For example, Goodell says Zeke is worth $8 million per year so Dallas has to pay that to keep him.
Congratulations, folks. I think we've found the worst possible system. Good work everyone.
 

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The best way to get players to not holdout is to make an example of a high profile player like Zeke Elliott. Jerry should squash Zeke like a bug and then other players won't want to meet the same fate.
 

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The issue as I see it is with the codified nature of the rookie contracts. For follow-on contracts, the length of the contract represents a balance between the player's desire for more security and the team's desire to manage risk. But the rookie contracts are divorced from any such balance: they're too long at too low a level for the league's top talents.

So I agree with you on rookie contracts but not on the others.

Sometimes the rookies are a bust. Teams should be able to cut bait, the upfront money makes them hold on too long as well...
 

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Well explained @Reality . I honestly think it's a huge mistake the Cowboys did caving in to Zeke's top pay demands even though he's still under contract for 2 more years.
Agree 110% my friend. Despite how it could damage the team’s financial future, the Boys also need to protect themselves contractually if Zeke's off the field issues continue to plague his on field availability.

They should have waited those two years to see whether or not Zeke cleans up his act off the field. Goodell's licking his chops. Bottom line, Zeke's a bad egg. I truly hope this doesn't bite the Boys down the road.

Amen, sis! These team owners need to grow some guts.
Nah, that would hurt Goodell's feelings. :lmao:
 

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Fully guaranteed contracts could work, but the money would have to come way down.
Essentially the same, right?
This will not happen because serious injuries are way more common in NFL than in baseball, basketball, etc.

Yes, serious injuries can happen in any sport (and do) and even out of sports, but the NFL is a violent contact-based sport which increases the odds of serious injury.
Hence, the guaranteed money.
 

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Sometimes the rookies are a bust. Teams should be able to cut bait, the upfront money makes them hold on too long as well...
The rookie salary structure already means that highly-drafted rookies are paid much less than they would be in an open market. And teams can cut them after three years with relatively manageable cap hits.
 

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Before anyone chimes in thinking I am pro-player or pro-team, let me be clear in saying I really do not favor either one.

I do not blame players for trying to get the most money they can because their career could end at any point due to injury or decline.

I also do not blame owners who do not want to sign a player to a bad contract that haunts them and their team and salary cap for years.

As I have said many times in the past, I treat players who hold out like injured players. I focus on the players who are practicing and playing. That doesn't mean I don't want a hold out player to return, but I am also not going to dwell on their absence any more than I would if they were injured.

So, with that said ..

Back in the 1990s, the upfront money was referred to as "signing bonus" money when in reality it was just a way for teams to manipulate their salary caps in the coming years.

Over the last several years, the term "singing bonus" has been replaced with a more appropriate and accurate name of "guaranteed money" as it is money the player is guaranteed to receive for signing the contract as long as the player does not violate the contract.

When you hear that a player is making a lower amount than they are worth in a later year of their contract, most people are forgetting that the player is actually making more than that because of the guaranteed money up front that was only paid up front because of the salary cap manipulation but still is pro-rated when it comes to actual salaries.

That's why if a player retires or violates their contract, they have to pay back the remaining pro-rated amount of their already paid guaranteed (signing bonus) money to their team.

For example, if you pay a player $25 million signing bonus and $5 million per year for 5 years, that's a $10m/year salary, and not a $30 million year one salary and $5 million for years 2 through 5.

If you agree to cut 5 lawns cutting one per day for $100 each and the HOA pays you $300 up front, that does not mean that you got paid $300 for cutting one lawn on day one and only $50 per lawn per day after that.

What the NFL needs to do is change how they pay out guaranteed money to players.

Instead of paying players all guaranteed money upfront, it should be paid over the length of the contract.

That way, teams and players (along with the media and fans) have a true understanding of what players are earning each year. That also means that players would have more to risk if they hold out, so the only holdouts would likely be the players who would likely get a huge pay increase over their current contract, not just a moderate increase.

The other thing it would do is lead to shorter contracts as players and their agents would be less likely to sign 5+ year contracts that are rarely ever completed except when the team uses their franchise tags on players.

Instead, rookies would likely be 3-4 year contracts depending on their drafted position and most contract extensions would likely be 2-4 years each time.

Players like Bell, Gordon and Elliott are the tip of the ice berg when it comes to hold outs. A lot more players are going to see that holding out leads to a new higher paying contract with their current team or a trade and new contract with a new team.

In that scenario, I think most people would do the same.


Makes zero sense.

Under this model, Zeke would be holding out after receiving 75% of his SB. That's 12 of 16 mill paid.

This model would change the structure of rookie deals such that players would demand an equal salary each year. At present salaries rise from year 1 to 4.

That would mean Zeke would have been paid 18 of his 24 mill already under your model.

Under the present model, He's been paid about 20 mill to this point.

Not exactly the staggering change that you suggest.
 

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Well, you could always work the numbers so the net present value is the same. This would mean larger guarantees in nominal $ but the same in real $. I'm just struggling to understand how this changes anything in terms of team-player relationships and holdouts.


I suppose if you structured things such that the NPV was the same it would result in higher guarantees, which might seem superficially appealing to players.
 
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