News: Cutting Ties With Tyrone Crawford In The Best Interest Of The Cowboys?

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Nope, keep him for one more season. Lets see what these young guys can bring playing behind him. I think it is better for Dallas to cut him next season, saving like 7 or 8 mill against the cap instead of the 4 or so this season.

I would agree if you can find a way to keep all the young guys as well. His cap dollars will really not be needed until next year so what’s the point in cutting him now unless it’s to give his roster spot to a young player you want to keep but can’t fit on the roster unless you cut a veteran to make room.
 

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Nope, keep him for one more season. Lets see what these young guys can bring playing behind him. I think it is better for Dallas to cut him next season, saving like 7 or 8 mill against the cap instead of the 4 or so this season.

This is what I expect to happen. I will be surprised if he is released this year. It depends on if Jackson or Jelks can do what he does. I think Hyder can though. But he is on a 1 year deal, and may cost as much if he balls out this year.

However, don't be surprised if Dallas releases him in a vet move. As no team will claim him on waivers for his contract. Then they resign him so then his pay is not fully guaranteed.
Then they can move around younger players to get to the PS or other players to IR.
 

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Cowboys fans:. Zeke is being greedy! Honor your contract!

Also Cowboys fans: Crawford is expensive, cut him.
The rights to cut a player that is under contract is built into the CBA and player contracts.

The rights for players to holdout is not in the legal documents. It is a breech of contract for player to holdout.
 

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If we needed the cap space I would be on board, but we don’t, plus he’s better than Taco, and provides depth on the edge and in the middle. A player being younger and cheaper doesn’t automatically make him more worthwhile.

It is the roster spot both on the 53 and 46 man game day rosters that concerns me with regards to Crawford.
  • If Crawford is on the 53, then he is obviously on the 46 pushing a young player to the inactive list.
  • Basically with Crawford on the roster, 2 of Taco / Armstrong / Hyder must be inactive (once Quinn returns).
  • If Taco and/or Armstrong are close to Crawford at DE in ability, then I prefer to have them getting the experience.
  • Keeping Crawford could also bump a young player from the 53 such as Joe Jackson.
  • At DT they have 4 solid players for the 4 game day roster spots.
    • For depth Hyder can play DT
    • Joe Jackson can play some snaps at DT if he makes the 53.

I'm certain that having veteran backups gives coaches a warm fuzzy feeling, but it limits the development of young players.
 

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I would agree if you can find a way to keep all the young guys as well. His cap dollars will really not be needed until next year so what’s the point in cutting him now unless it’s to give his roster spot to a young player you want to keep but can’t fit on the roster unless you cut a veteran to make room.

Cutting Crawford now results in 15M of extra cap space in 2020.

Cutting Crawford after the 2019 season results in 8M in extra cap space in 2020.
 

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I'm certain that having veteran backups gives coaches a warm fuzzy feeling, but it limits the development of young players.

Sure, but injuries always make these decisions for you. Every year we have "overstocked" positions and every year we end up needing all of them.
 

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I was listening to 103.3 in Dallas yesterday Jean Jacques Taylor was going on about how much the coaches love this kid named Joe Jackson. Taylor stated Jackson is not one of these guys who uses speed to get around his guy. He is a bulldog that runs over people.

I am not a Taylor fan, so I tend to take his comments with a grain of salt. But just FYI.
 

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It is the roster spot both on the 53 and 46 man game day rosters that concerns me with regards to Crawford.
  • If Crawford is on the 53, then he is obviously on the 46 pushing a young player to the inactive list.
  • Basically with Crawford on the roster, 2 of Taco / Armstrong / Hyder must be inactive (once Quinn returns).
  • If Taco and/or Armstrong are close to Crawford at DE in ability, then I prefer to have them getting the experience.
  • Keeping Crawford could also bump a young player from the 53 such as Joe Jackson.
  • At DT they have 4 solid players for the 4 game day roster spots.
    • For depth Hyder can play DT
    • Joe Jackson can play some snaps at DT if he makes the 53.

I'm certain that having veteran backups gives coaches a warm fuzzy feeling, but it limits the development of young players.
Note my comment about being younger and cheaper does not automatically make a player a better choice. If the team is convinced a player can develop into something very good, then by all means keep him over Crawford, but if it is just based on cost, and we will lose flexibility by not having a player who can play DT and DE, then Crawford should stay.

Frankly I don’t care if keeping Crawford costs us Taco. Obviously people can have their own thoughts on this, but I think he is a lesser player than Crawford and isn’t likely to get much better.
 

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Note my comment about being younger and cheaper does not automatically make a player a better choice. If the team is convinced a player can develop into something very good, then by all means keep him over Crawford, but if it is just based on cost, and we will lose flexibility by not having a player who can play DT and DE, then Crawford should stay.

Frankly I don’t care if keeping Crawford costs us Taco. Obviously people can have their own thoughts on this, but I think he is a lesser player than Crawford and isn’t likely to get much better.

I wouldn't make any decisions dependent on Taco specifically.

The issue for me is that with regards to DE one or both of Hyder & Armstrong might be better than Crawford.

Hyder is only on a 1 year contract; therefore, it's not about developing him, but he looks better as an outside pass rusher right now than Crawford, IMO.

Armstrong is getting rave reviews from camp. I have not see enough to know about him, but he is a similar style of DE to Crawford (more power/leverage than elite quickness).

Each NFL team has success with a certain numbers of young players each year and some teams have a better average than others. Over time the probability of how many young players are successful (on average) is directly tied to how many of those players the team keeps and how many snaps they play. I've seen an analysis that attempted to quantify that probability. It's a really difficult analysis because there are a huge number of variables and even just qualifying "success" is difficult from a statistical comparison perspective; however, the analysis showed that just keeping 1 extra young player each season has a fairly significant increase in the probability of a team having "success" developing young players.
 

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I wouldn't make any decisions dependent on Taco specifically.

The issue for me is that with regards to DE one or both of Hyder & Armstrong might be better than Crawford.

Hyder is only on a 1 year contract; therefore, it's not about developing him, but he looks better as an outside pass rusher right now than Crawford, IMO.

Armstrong is getting rave reviews from camp. I have not see enough to know about him, but he is a similar style of DE to Crawford (more power/leverage than elite quickness).

Each NFL team has success with a certain numbers of young players each year and some teams have a better average than others. Over time the probability of how many young players are successful (on average) is directly tied to how many of those players the team keeps and how many snaps they play. I've seen an analysis that attempted to quantify that probability. It's a really difficult analysis because there are a huge number of variables and even just qualifying "success" is difficult from a statistical comparison perspective; however, the analysis showed that just keeping 1 extra young player each season has a fairly significant increase in the probability of a team having "success" developing young players.
All I’m saying is cost and age aren’t stand alone factors, and that as long as a team isn’t in a salary cap bind the real factors are what can a player do for the team now, and in the future. If a younger player is better now, and/or has notably higher upside, go with that guy. If the younger player isn’t as good now, and his upside is limited, go with Crawford.
 

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Crawford is not as talented as Randy Gregory,but his value is more as a leader in the locker room and a steady player vs Randy Gregory you can't trust as far as you can throw him. Cut Randy Gregory.I am tired of his BS.
 

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You going for that PhD. in Arguing Semantics? Your parents must be proud.

I hope you put as little effort into your replies as you put into your original post. All love though, fellow CB fan.
 

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Looking at the depth of this Cowboys DL, my question is did they need to sign DLaw to that big contract?
 
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